Doctors scared to treat pain

Doctors scared to treat pain

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Hurting

Jasper, IN

#1 Feb 20, 2013
If the political bandwagon that is currently the norm keeps up, there will be no doctors in this state that will treat chronic pain. What you are going to see is record numbers of people who suffer from legit chronic pain do either one of two things. First, take to the streets to find the durgs they need fight there condition. This will make the illegal drug trade something that it has never been before. The state will be flooded with drug dealers selling to buyers who used to get there medicine from real doctors which means more money than ever will be in the hands of illegal drug dealers. What does this produce? More crime than ever. The state will turn into a small Columbia but instead of cocaine, pain pills will be the most profitable substance around. More profitable than tobacco, hemp, coal, you name it. The second thing that will happen is suicide rates for this state will be at an all time high. Chronic pain sufferers who can no longer get there meds because of legislation and frightened doctors will be committing suicide rather than live a life of unbearable pain. This will leave more saddened families than ever seen. Children will be without parents, brothers, sisters etc...The bad will by far out weigh the good in the future if these politicians keep riding this anti pain pill bandwagon. Its sickening to me to think a slimy politician elected by the people will follow suit on this type of legislation just to gain votes and political prowess. It is by no means going to cut down on abuse by people who don't need the powerful pain meds in the first place. If they want it bad enough there going to find it at what ever cost. The ones left out in the cold are real chronic pain sufferers who need this type of medication just to live a ordinary lifestyle. Nobody is thinking bout these people. I bet nobody thinks about them when they start killing themselves which may be the only avenue they have to relieve the pain if the politicians have there way. Doctors are scared to death to write a scrip for pain medication right now. They don't want to lose there job and worse yet go to jail just for doing there job. So who is this legislation really going to help? The only people it will help is the politicians that thought it up to help there reputations and the news media will blast it into every ones head that it is such a great thing when in actuality it is by no means good for the voters of this state. Especially the voters who suffer from some form of lifelong injury or illness who can no longer get there medicine to cope with life. Congratulations politicians of Kentucky. The only thing your doing is causing innocent people to no longer want to be alive.
Hurting

Jasper, IN

#3 Feb 20, 2013
HATEMAN69 wrote:
Spoken like a true pill head.
Wrong, Spoken like a true life long chronic pain sufferer. Walk a mile in my shoes son and see if you don't change your tune. A pill head hasn't had three failed back surgeries and 16 steroid pain injections. Not to mention 23 MRI's, 18 ct scans, 15 complete physical therapy sessions, and has to walk with a cane or be in a wheel chair. Innocent people shouldn't suffer because of addicts trying to doctor shop. So take that pill head sh!t and stick it up your a$$
Jimmy Brown

Henderson, KY

#4 Feb 20, 2013
Did you ever hear of paragraphs? Makes reading this much info a lot easier.
Hurting wrote:
If the political bandwagon that is currently the norm keeps up, there will be no doctors in this state that will treat chronic pain. What you are going to see is record numbers of people who suffer from legit chronic pain do either one of two things. First, take to the streets to find the durgs they need fight there condition. This will make the illegal drug trade something that it has never been before. The state will be flooded with drug dealers selling to buyers who used to get there medicine from real doctors which means more money than ever will be in the hands of illegal drug dealers. What does this produce? More crime than ever. The state will turn into a small Columbia but instead of cocaine, pain pills will be the most profitable substance around. More profitable than tobacco, hemp, coal, you name it. The second thing that will happen is suicide rates for this state will be at an all time high. Chronic pain sufferers who can no longer get there meds because of legislation and frightened doctors will be committing suicide rather than live a life of unbearable pain. This will leave more saddened families than ever seen. Children will be without parents, brothers, sisters etc...The bad will by far out weigh the good in the future if these politicians keep riding this anti pain pill bandwagon. Its sickening to me to think a slimy politician elected by the people will follow suit on this type of legislation just to gain votes and political prowess. It is by no means going to cut down on abuse by people who don't need the powerful pain meds in the first place. If they want it bad enough there going to find it at what ever cost. The ones left out in the cold are real chronic pain sufferers who need this type of medication just to live a ordinary lifestyle. Nobody is thinking bout these people. I bet nobody thinks about them when they start killing themselves which may be the only avenue they have to relieve the pain if the politicians have there way. Doctors are scared to death to write a scrip for pain medication right now. They don't want to lose there job and worse yet go to jail just for doing there job. So who is this legislation really going to help? The only people it will help is the politicians that thought it up to help there reputations and the news media will blast it into every ones head that it is such a great thing when in actuality it is by no means good for the voters of this state. Especially the voters who suffer from some form of lifelong injury or illness who can no longer get there medicine to cope with life. Congratulations politicians of Kentucky. The only thing your doing is causing innocent people to no longer want to be alive.
Hurting

Jasper, IN

#6 Feb 20, 2013
HATEMAN69 wrote:
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Pillheads don't care about grammar
Didn't realize there would be a grammar test on topix. Bet you point out every time someone mis spells a word as well. Hey, if it makes you feel better about you pathetic life then go for it.
Rick

Louisville, KY

#7 Feb 20, 2013
I agree the people who abuse the system should have a problem getting pain pills. Anytime that
I have ever had pain isssues I have never had a problem getting a prescription.

I think its time for you to head to rehab.
same here

Chesterfield, MO

#8 Feb 20, 2013
Me or my spouse don't have any trouble getting pain meds when we need them. Which is rarely. The last time was about a year ago for a pulled tooth. My great niece don't have problems getting meds either and she is just 17. She has had pain meds a couple of times the past year alone. I caution her all the time about our family history of drug abuse. She is really good not to take them. As a matter of fact the last time a doctor tried to get her take pain meds she told them no and we respected her decision.
Personally I think everyone that has pain meds should have to have the info entered into the KASPER system by the doctor saying they wrote the script and the pharmacist that fills them should have to enter the info about when they filled the script. I also think all doctors should be required to check the KAPSER. I think we need a national data base like KASPER that ALL doctors IN ALL states should have to do this too. This way the drug abuse can be tracked better.
Hurting

Jasper, IN

#9 Feb 20, 2013
Rick wrote:
I agree the people who abuse the system should have a problem getting pain pills. Anytime that
I have ever had pain isssues I have never had a problem getting a prescription.
I think its time for you to head to rehab.
Well I don't know who your doctor is but I guarantee you your doctor has not been threatened by the authorities yet. My family physician used to prescribe my meds without any issues. Keep in mind that I always take my meds as prescribed so throw you rehab bullshit out the window. No my family doctor will not prescribe any pain meds in fear of not dotting every i or crossing every t. He personally told me that he is not going to lose his job or go to jail over accidentally messing up on paper work. Instead,now he sends all his patients in need of pain meds to a pain clinic. Pain clinics are under close watch by the dea and most patients dont want to be associated with them for the stigma they carry with them. It is also a well know fact that anytime a legit patient walks into a pain clinic, they are in danger of a dea raid and going to jail for just being in there. I am not the only one that has this problem. Ive talked to vietnam and gulf war vets who have the same problem. Therefore, if you are still getting you pain meds from a personal care physician or family practice, just give it time and you will see exactly what I mean. Doctors who go to school for years to become doctors are not going to risk going to jail even if it means not doing there job and letting a chronic pain sufferer just suffer. Pain clinics are getting shut down every day seems like. So what is a person to do that is in my shape. Just like I said in my first post. They are either going to take to the streets and pay ridiculously high prices to drug dealers making there pockets even fatter and causing crime rates to sore. Or they will eventually end up putting an end to there life just to stop the hurt. A person can only take so much torture before the will to live is no longer there.

So before you go shooting off at the mouth and calling me a pill head, druggie, pill billy etc... walk a mile in my shoes. Seven herniated disc's, severe spinal stenosis, Severy bi lateral upper cirvical stenosis, failed back surgeries, failed steroid pain injections. Matter of fact, I wouldn't wish this pain on my worst enemy. No one should have to suffer like this. Don't throw stones at something you don't understand until you have experienced it.
hurting

Jasper, IN

#12 Feb 20, 2013
abc wrote:
Well I don't think it's right to stop you cold Turkey.
Same thing happened to me.they told me I had to make a choice. I went to a pain clinic same bull their.
I have had injections didn't work. Had a stimulation device put in that didn't work.
And I go in they thru a drug test on me and I was wearing a pain patch and showed up nothing in my system.
So now I have no other means unless I buy it on the street.
I think that's the plans anyway.
Hell if the doctor cannot write them anymore legalize wacky weed.
Hell it's cheaper and from what I here is better anyway.
It's saves on trips to the Dr saves on gas.
Piss on them law maker buy a joint and stop hurting. You think the law makers care if you hurt.
stand up for your rights.
I agree abc and thank you for your support. I get so sick and tired of being labeled a pill head when I have always taken my medicine as prescribed. I have never failed one of there drug test or pill counts since house bill one went into effect. I don't blame the doc's for not wanting to lose there job or going to jail. I think its despicable that law maker's won't let the doctors treat there patients with real chronic pain issues. Its a slap in the face to voters of this state. Its like there telling us that since there are some that work the system just to get high, we are going to punish everyone. Even those who need the drugs due to crippling injuries and illness. I didn't choose to be in pain. I didn't choose to be injured for the rest of my life. I didn't choose to have the surgeries and injections to fail. Why should I be forced to live a life of pain when there is medicine out there that will help me get back to a somewhat active, productive life? You are correct abc. The damn law makers don't give a damn abut folks like us. They are to damn worried bout there political prowess and reputation. They want to be known as the states savior for eliminating pain medication all together. My family doctor was honest with me. He told me he was no longer writing prescriptions for pain meds for fear he would lose his job or go to jail because of the new house bill one. Ive never smoked marijuana in my life but if I knew it would help eliminate some of the pain I'm in, I would not hesitate to give it a try. Is it still illegal to use for medical issues in Kentucky?
Hurting

Jasper, IN

#14 Feb 21, 2013
abc wrote:
<quoted text>Well that's the worse things. You cannot get them legal so you have to resort to get them illegal.
Their should have been an off set law giving the doctors some terms of writing certain people that have no other options. Hell they even sent me to palative care and they wanted to put me in hospice. I'm not ready to die.Everything has loopholes except this new law. They were in such a hurry to pass it before they done any research on it.
The damn drug dealing dealers run it for people that need it.and what really pisses me off is their still dealing and getting by with it.
Yes I agree once again. They passed house bill one in a very short amount of time. Legislation of this type usually takes a very long time to pass but this one did in record time. They did not take the time to look at all aspects of who this new effects. There only goal with house bill one was to make a political statement and build up there reputation.

And you are correct, the main people that will profit from house bill one are the illegal drug dealers on a street level.If they can continue to sell and not get caught, they will make a ton of money over this new law. So to sum it up, innocent people suffer, illegal drug dealers prosper, and politicians get a thataboy pat on the back. Makes me want to move out of Kentucky for good.
Anonymous

Hueysville, KY

#16 Feb 21, 2013
I think you need rehab. Sounds like you doctor shopped yourself out

There's a new pill mill in Gtown thats taking new patients by the way.
Hurting

Jasper, IN

#18 Feb 21, 2013
Harry Balsak wrote:
I think you need rehab. Sounds like you doctor shopped yourself out
There's a new pill mill in Gtown thats taking new patients by the way.
Didn't doctor shop. been going to my family physician for 9 years now. Moved here 9 years ago so been with the same doctor ever since. So if I had doctor shopped, like you have wrongly stated, maybe I wouldn't have this problem now would I? Funny how people are so quick to judge when it comes to someone like me who is in constant pain. Like I said, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
the man

Hamilton, OH

#20 Feb 21, 2013
If you have a documented history of chronic pain the new laws will have no effect on you getting your meds. Truth.
Hurting

Jasper, IN

#21 Feb 21, 2013
HATEMAN69 wrote:
Docs who don't specialize in chronic pain management are not comfortable handing out narcotics for years for fear they will get in trouble and I don't blame them. Maybe you should move on from your "family doc" of 9 years and see a pain management specialist who is comfortable handing you narcs over time. Dr. Marlowe will give pills to just about anybody. Go see her.
Thanks Hateman69. My family doctor didn't have a problem with it until this new law came out. He has told me that he would refer me to a pain management clinic but I see those places on the news all the time getting shut down and everyone inside usually gos to jail for just being there. Are all pain clinics like that? Are you taking a risk of going to jail every time you go to one? My family doctor told me that it wasn't anything personal against me and that he knew I needed the pain meds but this new law has him scared to death for some reason. Its a shame the politicians won't even let a doctor do his job without fear of getting sent to the penn.
it gets worse

Henderson, KY

#22 Feb 21, 2013
Hurting wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Hateman69. My family doctor didn't have a problem with it until this new law came out. He has told me that he would refer me to a pain management clinic but I see those places on the news all the time getting shut down and everyone inside usually gos to jail for just being there. Are all pain clinics like that? Are you taking a risk of going to jail every time you go to one? My family doctor told me that it wasn't anything personal against me and that he knew I needed the pain meds but this new law has him scared to death for some reason. Its a shame the politicians won't even let a doctor do his job without fear of getting sent to the penn.
in 2014 when odumbacare takes full effect....
Hurting

Jasper, IN

#24 Feb 21, 2013
the man wrote:
If you have a documented history of chronic pain the new laws will have no effect on you getting your meds. Truth.
How so? Please explain. Why is my doctor and many others stopped prescribing pain medicine all together? The only way you can get any type of pain management therapy now is be referred to a pain management facility that specializes in treating chronic pain. Have you spoken to any of these type places? If not I will clue you in. There are two types of pain clinics. The first one is the one you see on the news everyday with a line of people standing against a wall with there hands zip tied behind there backs and being placed under arrest for seeking treatment. They have been classified by the media and close minded sheep that follow the media as "pill mills". Would you want to go there and take a chance on going to jail just for seeking treatment of chronic pain? Same thing and same risk as taking to the street and buying narcotics from a drug dealer. The DEA may walk in any second followed by a news crew.

The Second type of pain treatment facility is the ones who prescribe no medicine what so ever. The only thing they do is give epidural steroid injections and physical therapy. Both of which I have tried several times and neither one worked.

If you missed it I have severe spinal stenosis and severe bi lateral stenosis of the lower lumbar and upper cirvical spine. Plus degenerative disc disease. The pain is unbearable without my meds and if this is going to be the norm from now on I may just pay someone to put me out of my misery.
kate

Jeffersonville, IN

#26 Feb 21, 2013
I'm absolutely disgusted by this forum. And I have chronic pain, a terminal illness, and documented evidence. My family doctor of .. My whole life.. Still would prescribe if I needed something. I go to a pain clinic and there are no lines; it is hospital affiliated, yet I receive the medications I need, as well as injections. If I have to go to the ER, or be admitted to the hospital, I am never denied adequate pain treatment. Do I take Percocet 30's? Absolutely have never been approached by anyone (medically) with such nonsense. They are not all afraid, or all pill-mills, or all treating you with prejudice. Ever thought, maybe it is you?:(
best solution

Chesterfield, MO

#27 Feb 21, 2013
The best solution to our drug problem is a KASPER like federal system. Doctors should be required to check it before prescribing any kind of pain pill or any addictive substance. They should have to make notes in the system with thier id saying they checked it and wether the script was written. Then when you get it filled, the pharmacist should have to enter his info in it stating when and how many pills he/she filled for you. This would keep people from doctor shopping around the country and from the doctors and pharmacist I have talked to thinks this is the best solution. They don't have a problem with it. Until this is done, then no wonder doctors are not wanting to give pain pills, to be honest the pharmacy can be held liable too and soon they will quit filling them.
There really are people out there that need pain meds. But most of them don't. Most of them just think they do as they are addicted to them. These are people that are young, old and in bewteen. They even take it as prescribed but they are addicted. Addiction means you think you have to have the meds and if you don't then you get nervous and start withdrawls. This can happen even when you take them excatly as prescribed.
I also don't think our taxpayer dollars should be allowed to pay for pain meds or pain clinics. I think if medical cards do, then they should at least have to pay half the price of the meds. Those of us that work and keep insurance have to pay so why not everyone? Of course I feel this way about any kind of medical card charge. They should have copays just like everyone else and those should be payable up front just like everyone else.
Hurting

Jasper, IN

#29 Feb 21, 2013
best solution wrote:
The best solution to our drug problem is a KASPER like federal system. Doctors should be required to check it before prescribing any kind of pain pill or any addictive substance. They should have to make notes in the system with thier id saying they checked it and wether the script was written. Then when you get it filled, the pharmacist should have to enter his info in it stating when and how many pills he/she filled for you. This would keep people from doctor shopping around the country and from the doctors and pharmacist I have talked to thinks this is the best solution. They don't have a problem with it. Until this is done, then no wonder doctors are not wanting to give pain pills, to be honest the pharmacy can be held liable too and soon they will quit filling them.
There really are people out there that need pain meds. But most of them don't. Most of them just think they do as they are addicted to them. These are people that are young, old and in bewteen. They even take it as prescribed but they are addicted. Addiction means you think you have to have the meds and if you don't then you get nervous and start withdrawls. This can happen even when you take them excatly as prescribed.
I also don't think our taxpayer dollars should be allowed to pay for pain meds or pain clinics. I think if medical cards do, then they should at least have to pay half the price of the meds. Those of us that work and keep insurance have to pay so why not everyone? Of course I feel this way about any kind of medical card charge. They should have copays just like everyone else and those should be payable up front just like everyone else.
You need to talk to more doctors than just one. I have seven herniated disc in my back. Severe spinal and bi lateral stenosis. A brain tumor the size of a walnut. Severe degenerative disc disease of upper cervical and lower lumbar. Plus Ive had multiple surgeries on my back that only made things worse. The last thing I had done was a spinal fusion. But on my last MRI, the doctors told me I had more scar tissue build up than they had ever seen in my lower lumbar area. This is causing just as much pressure on the nerve than the bulges are and even more pain. I carry me mri's, ct scans, doctors reports etc.. with me at all times to prove I am not a damn pill head. I want everyone to take a close look at this next sentence. THE ONLY PERSON THAT KNOWS WHAT KIND OF PAIN I AM IN AND HOW SEVERE IT IS, IS MYSELF! I am so sick and tired of being labeled a pill head and just another drug addict trying to get a fix. I would give anything. Even my arms and legs, if I didn't have to be in this kind of pain and didn't need to take powerful narcotics for pain relief.

I was going to this doctor for 9 years. I thought we had a great relationship. I had always taken my meds exactly as prescribed. In his own words he told me that because of this new house bill one that doctors are being shut down, having there license to practice medicine taken away, and even thrown in jail for simply doing there job and prescribing pain meds to chronic pain sufferers. They do this by all the red tape and hoops a doctor now has to jump through just to have all his or her ducks in a row to prescribe a narcotic pain med. He personally told me that the state and federal dea agencies would be conducting audits of all doctors that prescribe pain meds looking for an i not dotted or a t not crossed. Don't get me wrong, if I were a doctor making 750 thousand dollars a year and thought that prescribing a pain med to someone who really needs it would get me in major trouble then I wouldn't do it either.

So who do I blame? I blame the slimy ass politicians who came up with this legislation in the first place. They did not do there homework on this or innocent people wouldnt be getting hurt by losing there medicines they have been on for years. Is a political bandwagon and there all jumping on it Even the alcoholic ones.
best solution

Chesterfield, MO

#31 Feb 21, 2013
Hurting wrote:
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You need to talk to more doctors than just one. I have seven herniated disc in my back. Severe spinal and bi lateral stenosis. A brain tumor the size of a walnut. Severe degenerative disc disease of upper cervical and lower lumbar. Plus Ive had multiple surgeries on my back that only made things worse. The last thing I had done was a spinal fusion. But on my last MRI, the doctors told me I had more scar tissue build up than they had ever seen in my lower lumbar area. This is causing just as much pressure on the nerve than the bulges are and even more pain. I carry me mri's, ct scans, doctors reports etc.. with me at all times to prove I am not a damn pill head. I want everyone to take a close look at this next sentence. THE ONLY PERSON THAT KNOWS WHAT KIND OF PAIN I AM IN AND HOW SEVERE IT IS, IS MYSELF! I am so sick and tired of being labeled a pill head and just another drug addict trying to get a fix. I would give anything. Even my arms and legs, if I didn't have to be in this kind of pain and didn't need to take powerful narcotics for pain relief.
I was going to this doctor for 9 years. I thought we had a great relationship. I had always taken my meds exactly as prescribed. In his own words he told me that because of this new house bill one that doctors are being shut down, having there license to practice medicine taken away, and even thrown in jail for simply doing there job and prescribing pain meds to chronic pain sufferers. They do this by all the red tape and hoops a doctor now has to jump through just to have all his or her ducks in a row to prescribe a narcotic pain med. He personally told me that the state and federal dea agencies would be conducting audits of all doctors that prescribe pain meds looking for an i not dotted or a t not crossed. Don't get me wrong, if I were a doctor making 750 thousand dollars a year and thought that prescribing a pain med to someone who really needs it would get me in major trouble then I wouldn't do it either.
So who do I blame? I blame the slimy ass politicians who came up with this legislation in the first place. They did not do there homework on this or innocent people wouldnt be getting hurt by losing there medicines they have been on for years. Is a political bandwagon and there all jumping on it Even the alcoholic ones.
Never called you a pill head. You need to re read my post. I said a national data base like KASPER would help with pill heads out doctor shopping and help those that really need pain meds get them. DOctors wouldn't mind prescribing them if they could have a national data base to protect thier butts. Right now, there isn't any such data base and because of that they are hestitant to write the script. Can't say I blame them.
As far as your pain, I know a little of what you are going through. I have bulging discs that catch on the nerves from time to time and I am miserable. I also have arthritis in my back and other joints. I also have an genetic problem with my lower back as well. But I refuse pain pills at this time simply because I can stand the pain and feel like I am to young to get hooked on pain pills. I have a family history of addictions and am scared out of my wits I would easily become addicted.
My remarks about addiction are all true doesn't mean that you are a pill head,just addicted. There is a difference. Pill heads are those that seek the thrill of using pain meds by smoking, shooting or snorting or even taking to many orally. People can become addicted to all kinds of things. Like an old substance abuse counselor used to tell us case managers in our monthly meetings, everyone has an addiction of some sort....Nicotene, Caffiene, Work, Food etc...
pjr2112

Milton, FL

#32 Jun 24, 2013
The issue of patient trying to get the proper medication not only to live a normal life but to handle the PT let alone just get some freaking sleep isn't just KY it's happening nation wide. Here in FL they don't even give me that option to correct a back issue that could be improved using pain meds & PT for a short period of time. they just want me to go straight into surgery. I don't get that no treatment what so ever just jump right into surgery when even I know if they would just freaking work with me I could live a normal life without any pills if they could just get me through the treatment, but they can't do that all people are treated as drug addicts and must go through a very invasive procedure unnecessary in my opinion. these new laws are not taking drugs off the street they are preventing the proper care of patients who need and obey the law while drug dealers are increasing. I have found it easier to find on the street than get from a doc. no I don't buy street drugs, but i do get offered quite a bit in a normal middle class neighborhood. so sad.

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