Son of the man

Louisville, KY

#1552 Sep 9, 2012
gando wrote:
<quoted text>Why leave it at that?
Okay I won't, but it probably isn't what you wanna hear.

I know my father loved us and took care of us as best he could.

I know my father did exemplary work for the dea, including the largest at the time pot seizure in KY history.

I know my dad was one of the if not the youngest sac in dea history.

I know that other agents were in line for that job, so my dad must have done something right.

I know drew was always full of himself and would wear loafers out at dead horse hollow and talk big about his escapades.

Ain't real new or exciting except for the fact I can say I knew drew. Pretty sure I outshot drew once on my dads pond but that might have been some other big mouth cop.
Rob

United States

#1553 Sep 9, 2012
With all due respect Harold Brown's suicide is one of the less believable stories told in that book. Looks more like he got set up to take the fall. Something just dont smell right about it.
Son of the man

Louisville, KY

#1554 Sep 9, 2012
Rob wrote:
With all due respect Harold Brown's suicide is one of the less believable stories told in that book. Looks more like he got set up to take the fall. Something just dont smell right about it.
I agree but that is a seperate topic. If you want to discuss that aspect I will oblige.
Son of the man

Louisville, KY

#1555 Sep 9, 2012
Rob wrote:
With all due respect Harold Brown's suicide is one of the less believable stories told in that book. Looks more like he got set up to take the fall. Something just dont smell right about it.
Okay here's what I know, much but not all of which is in the books.

My sister took the call from my dad on mar 20 1984. His exact words were: "I've just called to say goodbye".

The Feds were at his apartment before anyone else. My mom called dads attorney and he and her went to the scene immediately. How the Feds got the jump is a mystery.

The manuscript for the underground chemist did in fact exist. How that got found out is a mystery: only those very close to my dad could have known about that. Aardvark industries was real. My father did nor manufacture poison or anything else toy knowledge, he was merely a reseller.

My dad also tried to start a business called TES, Thermal Energy Systems, which made solar panels. Next he did PI work and only at the end did he engage in the chemical business.

My father was an exceptional chemist: he could draw you the benzene ring diagram of any organic compound and discuss at length bonds and other esoterica. He wound frequently comment about how important temperatures were....

His screen was removed from the inside, and phone records showed that no outgoing phone calls went out from his residence since early in the morning. My sister noted that the line had lots of static on it and it sounded funny.

Richard greathouse was the coroner at the inquest that happened at my moms request. I don't know what was said but I got the real sense that it was heavy. Suddenly neither mom nor the coroners office were interested in pursuing it further.

I myself was tailed by Feds when I moved to browsed county. I had no idea that this where drew took off, but I do know that I took a lot of calls from theism i field office as a kid do dad definitely had a working relationship with that office.

The story about the car getting stolen and returned us true. What didn't get said us that car was stripped and reassembled. I noticed the screws in the dash had been turned....

Also what didn't get mentioned is dad got screwed out if his pension by a few months, and at least 50k in cash was taken from his apartment the night he died.

He was buried in an unmarked grave and left us nothing but debt and fear. Hardly the end you would expect for a so called gangster. Also, he never lived above his means.
Son of the man

Louisville, KY

#1556 Sep 9, 2012
gando wrote:
<quoted text>Why leave it at that?
Look man, I've said all I'm gonna say on this subject, and ive waited 30 years to do that.

This is more than I've told anyone and its all you're gonna get. If you don't believe I'm who I say I'm fine with that: I'd just as soon you didnt. This was real heavy shit and those guys werent playing games to be able to take out my dad and drew.

You all take it from here. I know I'm in a way crazy for coming out but them guys ain't killed me yet and they know I ain't on a crusade. Sleeping dogs should sleep and I know that.

Take care.
Feel Ya

United States

#1558 Sep 9, 2012
Did you ever contact Ralph.
Bob

United States

#1559 Sep 10, 2012
For a man who was bent on survival, trying to start a legit business of some kind and to support his family,- he did not leave much for his family if he had been making tons of money with illegal drugs. Looks like if he made any money from drugs he sure hid it well or got robbed! Screen missing?(window unlocked too?) unfamiliar telephone connection? I agree with Rob, something aint quite right. But why go into distributing toxic chemicals? That is the hard part to understand - the kid sales story could have been part of the frameup. 8ut if ardvark was real,---why?
gi gi

United States

#1560 Sep 10, 2012
I am glad the son spoke up. That took some real courage. We needs this, all of this brought into the light. It is the only way to stop it so no other son has to feel this pain, loss and fear.
No Way

United States

#1561 Sep 11, 2012
Yes
Son Of The Man

Louisville, KY

#1562 Sep 20, 2012
Bob wrote:
But why go into distributing toxic chemicals? That is the hard part to understand - the kid sales story could have been part of the frameup. 8ut if ardvark was real,---why?
That was all he knew how to do. Plus I think he had an axe to grind with the DEA.

Yes, Aardvark industries was very real, and the ricin investigation into that company can be found in newspaper archives.

Let me point out too that Aardvark also sold industrial solvents such as carbon tet and all manner of "non controversial" chemicals.

I don't know about any curare but I personally saw the ricin vial: i believe there were 3 grams or so, which is an incredible amount. I was led to believe this was purchased (and not synthesized by my dad) but I can't say for sure. I learned long ago not to ask him too many questions about his business: he was great at keeping secrets.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#1563 Sep 23, 2012
What other kinds of chemicals was he involved in? Solvents and wood treatments? Pharmaceuticals? Did his company dissolve or was it sold?

What has been very difficult to understand is while your father appeared in both books, "The Cornbread Mafia" and "The Bluegrass Conspiracy" and also testified in a trial that involved "THE COMPANY" that was based out of St. Louis, Illinois but it seems feds never connected the dots.

Federal officials in one account refused to connect the group out of Lexington/Philly with this St. Louis group while both were named, "The Company" and both were in the drug running business with well-orchestrated and massive air cargo shipments. They were bringing TONS of drugs into this country and the feds were pretty weak in dealing with it.

I'm sure you've seen the court case where your father testified against Snyder, who had worked for the Lexington Police Department as a lie detector specialist where he met Drew Thornton. He was also security officer protecting the assets of "The Company" out of St. Louis. One account indicates this same man was also involved in pornography.(Interesting mix.)

This below is from the court case.(And thank you for being honest about your father.) Did he get caught "in the middle" of it all - with what the feds could or wouldn't do? Seems that way.

Taken from:
72 F.2d 1351
27 Fed. R. Evid. Serv. 1328
UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee,&#8232; v. &#8232;Robert J. SNYDER, Defendant-Appellant.
No. 88-1091.
United States Court of Appeals,&#8232;Seventh Circuit.
Argued Sept. 9, 1988.&#8232;Decided April 28, 1989.

"..........11
When Snyder took the stand in his own defense, he testified that his involvement with the Company was at the direction of a now deceased federal drug enforcement agent named Harold Brown, as a government informant. While he denounced Barton as a "criminal" and a liar, he acknowledged that Richard Thorp had asked him to hire someone to murder William Hampton; that Thorp had given him $20,000 for the job; and, that he paid Barton $15,000 to murder Hampton. Snyder, however, stated that he told Barton to wait until he received further word before taking any action, and that he never gave that final word. Snyder denied any knowledge of the "Big Red" contract.

12
At the conclusion of the evidence, a guilty verdict was returned against Snyder on Counts 1, 3, 4 and 29. He was acquitted on all remaining Counts.........."

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#1564 Sep 23, 2012
(**sorry I meant to say Snyder testified about your father)
gator

Manhasset, NY

#1565 Oct 3, 2012
Son of the man wrote:
<quoted text>
Look man, I've said all I'm gonna say on this subject, and ive waited 30 years to do that.
This is more than I've told anyone and its all you're gonna get. If you don't believe I'm who I say I'm fine with that: I'd just as soon you didnt. This was real heavy shit and those guys werent playing games to be able to take out my dad and drew.
You all take it from here. I know I'm in a way crazy for coming out but them guys ain't killed me yet and they know I ain't on a crusade. Sleeping dogs should sleep and I know that.
Take care.
I have followed this a while and see you know there is a group took out your dad and some others. Well you should not be living in fear 30 year or the rest of your life because the devils are still at work. God bless you and your family. nobody should live afreid to tell the truth!
me me

Richmond, KY

#1566 Oct 3, 2012
just me wrote:
read the book
Now that is a novel idea...read a book!
gator

United States

#1568 Oct 4, 2012
me me wrote:
<quoted text>
Now that is a novel idea...read a book!
Hey guess what this thread is about! It is about a BOOK and the name of the book is The Bluegrass Conspiracy or didnt you know? Duh!

“Just dance”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#1569 Oct 4, 2012
Wrong. This thread is about the Bluegrass Conspiracy, an ongoing criminal enterprise. A book was written about it in 1990.
Survivor

Labelle, FL

#1570 Oct 8, 2012
As an update, I spoke to the cold case detective working Melanie's case several weeks ago so all that is in his hands.

As a survivor of The Company, I try to live my life with a sense of gratefulness and try to make my life count as much as possible especially when Melanie (and others killed by The Company) did not have a chance to live out her life. Although I hope that a miracle would happen with her body being found, the conclusion of that would probably continue to be that they could not pin her murder on anyone for lack of evidence. Those of us more in the know, KNOW who was involved and at this writing shall remain nameless as that is both obvious and redundant.

However, my prayerful blessings will always be with Melanie's family, that the Lord may grant them true heart and soul healing as much as possible on this earth's plane. One day we will all be reunited with our loved ones who have crossed over and in that, we can take comfort.
hannah

New Salisbury, IN

#1571 Oct 9, 2012
Maybe others will follow your example. Courage is difficult to find these days and you and some others are among the rare ones who have made the sacrifice and come forward for the sake of truth. May you have well-deserved peace with goodness and happiness for the rest of your life.
well

Amherst, OH

#1572 Oct 18, 2012
I read or heard that there's another book about the bluegrass conspiracy. Does anyone know of another book and it's title.
merlin

New Salisbury, IN

#1573 Oct 19, 2012
It was just a few years ago that American law enforcement and the FBI were using outdated, obsolete equipment and unable to connect the dots with criminal organizations and covert activities. It's no wonder online researchers who care enough to unravel the truth can do decades later what the most powerful government on earth failed to do.

The sad part of it is how many people have lived in fear, and how many are dead because the truth was never adequately nor properly told and the true criminals never convicted?

There are plenty of books that touch on corruption, conspiracy and crime - just do your research, and you will probably put it together - all by yourself.

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