Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 141473 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Courier-Journal.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#127573 Apr 3, 2014
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
What can I say to this?
If anyone ever doubted that Christianity corrupts people and leaves them with a warped and twisted morality - well, here's the proof.
We saw the same from Dog Boy when he went on record as saying that the Jews "had it coming" and "got what they deserved"
Remember Anne Frank? I'm sure you do - she wrote a famous diary.
The innocence and hope in her diary is an inspiration and despite all that she went through, she wrote lines like this:
"In spite of everything I still believe that people are truly good at heart"
"Everyone has inside of him a piece of good news. The good news is that you don't know how great you can be! How much you can love! What you can accomplish! And what your potential is!"
"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before beginning to improve the world."
She died at the age of fifteen in a death camp ran by a nation that was populated by an overwhelming Christian majority.
What was her crime? Like millions of believers the world over, she was born into and adopted the faith of her parents and culture and for that she had to die and that's that.
Well, actually, no, that's not that.
Why?
Because under your disgusting belief system, Anne Frank is now in hell alongside Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.
Anne never accepted Jesus and (according to your twisted beliefs) for that she must be tortured for all eternity.
Your beliefs are sick.
No, that is not all. According to YaA, Anne got what she deserved.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#127574 Apr 3, 2014
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, just apostates from our church. We of course believe that our church is the closest to the doctrine of Christ. All Christian churches do. We certainly believe that they just gave up some of their reward in Heaven because they knew the truth at one time and then turned from it and settled for less truth. We do not believe they are going to Hell, but we do not believe they will achieve the highest kingdom of Heaven because they chose not to adhere to a the commandments that are necessary to achieve that worthiness.
So do you feel this rule helps or hurts, bridging gaps?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#127575 Apr 3, 2014
jazzie_pooh wrote:
I think that they should allow Christianity in public schools. I'm a proud believer in Jesus Christ.
And evidently a non believer in the good of secularism.
spaceship

Roseville, CA

#127576 Apr 3, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure what they call them, but the automatic excommunication is far from closing the gaps and loving.
Just blindly follow the rules of the republic of Mormonism.
I was thinking the same that Mormonism is willing to encompass all religious faiths even yaa hatred of their religion and maybe Islam also. America has already have done that without any religion with our secular government holy, holy holy.
spaceship

Roseville, CA

#127577 Apr 3, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So do you feel this rule helps or hurts, bridging gaps?
Looks like heaven has class warfare, many are now the slaves of the oligarchy.
Dog Boy and proud

Ocoee, FL

#127579 Apr 3, 2014
But ,whay I find most interesting is the article written By Staks Rosch .
As you know , Staks is the Coordinator for 7 different Atheist organization in Philadelphia , sponsors Atheists conventions in Pennsylvania and attends National Atheist Conventios.
Undoubtedly, someone in that position ,with as many contacts as he has,is qualified to opine on what he views as the problems that Atheists are experiencing and should not be dismissed as someone that does not know what he istalking about.
Here is part of ehat he has staetd;

Atheism Has A Suicide Problem About a year ago a friend of mine died. He was the first person I take credit for de-converting away from theism to atheism. While I can’t say for certain that his death was suicide, I can’t rule it out. It has also been about four months now since the death of Humanist activist and friend Joe Fox. Joe was the reason I became the head of PhillyCoR and while he seemed like the happiest person you could know and was always there for anyone who needed help, he apparently secretly struggled with depression. I also have another friend who recently de-converted and is having a very difficult time adjusting to the reality that God doesn’t exist. While I don’t think he is suicidal, I would be surprised if he didn’t think about it at times.
(This is something we don’t like to admit, but it is true.)
( There is a problem within the atheist community of depression and suicide.)- See more at: http://www.skepticink.com/dangeroustalk/2012/...

I have searched high and low to see if any Atheist organization has voiced their disapproval oh his views or refuted them. I have found none.
Those who have taken a stand and claimed that Staks is not qualified to make such charges are the atheists on this website. They have not refuted his charges , they have merely denounced hism as being incompetent , an opinion for which they provide no evisdence

“Justice Sweet”

Since: Jan 14

Mount Vernon

#127580 Apr 3, 2014
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
You lost me at the on ramp. Care to clarify your point?
Religion is a very effective tool for people to judge and kill for. I think people have their own translation of what God supposedly wants .They take a verse from the Bible and twist it into their own beliefs and use it against each other . Why do you suppose there are so many versions of the Bible ? They have edited it to fit their own agendas . This. is why I don't believe any of it. Who knows what really occured. There is so much contradiction and lies.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127581 Apr 3, 2014
spaceship wrote:
<quoted text>I have tested those that believe in a claim a doctrine is true. That means that those who follow their version of true christian doctrine maybe doomed according to the bible text I previously quoted in Ezekiel. The bible says god does not change so that is the standard which one can test claims.

How do you reconcile what Ezekiel wrote with the idea that all Christians of any non LDS membership will be saved in one of the three categories of heavens that you believe? Does it not say a false prophet and those that follow him will be destroyed also? From what I read that all Christians no matter what doctrine they claim cannot all be true or saved. A blind man that follows a blind man will both fall into the pit.

Ezekiel 14:9
"And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the Lord have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt—the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him."
You lost me. I'm not sure what you mean

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127582 Apr 3, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So right from the beginning, the church split? That does not say much for the one perfect true church. And it seems ironic that the one that ended polygamy from the start failed.
You claim god appointed Brigham, yet you acknowledge the practice of polygamy was not even doctrine. This does not speak well of the god appointment.
Now when did the sect start that still has polygamy?
The church split because Emma disagreed with God , that doesn't make the church not true. Please tell me you see that much.
Brigham was appointed the next prophet soon after Joseph's death and everyone in attendance in the next meeting saw his countenance change as he spoke with authority. They all unanimously sustained him at that moment. A few days later it was made official with the church. Several did not agree, and thought Emma was right that Joseph III was the next prophet, but he was still a young boy. Why does this say anything against the church? That church didn't "fail" necessarily, but they obviously didn't thrive as the other. The difference has nothing to do with polygamy, but with the continuation of priesthood authority.

I did not acknowledge polygamy was not doctrine at all. I even explained why it was doctrine at different times throughout recorded scripture. Not sure where you got that.

The other polygamous groups either continued their practice or began it again after 1890 when the church ended the practice by revelation from God. Those groups thought that Woodruff was becoming a fallen prophet.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127583 Apr 3, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So all these laws that were claimed by the supposed prophets as laws given to them by god were just lies? Tell me, just how do you cherry pick was is truth and what are lies in the bible?
What? No. The Bible is not that simple to understand.
Different laws were given to Moses' people because they had shown God that they were too wicked to live the higher law. So He gave them lesser, simpler, temporal laws to obey.
For example, eye for an eye, old law. Turn the other cheek, new law. Law of tithing, old law. Law of consecration, new law.
Even before Moses there were laws that were later fulfilled. Such as the Law of sacrifice. After Jesus, the ultimate sacrifice, law fulfilled.
This doesn't mean old prophets lied. Different laws applicable to different sets of people. The end goal of God is the same: for everyone to complete this time on earth, pass the test of faith and gain a physical body, and return to love with Him in Heaven.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127584 Apr 3, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Please be specific, just what "higher law" did the Jews not love? Seems to be a large stereotyping here.
I guess you feel Jews today do not love the higher law of god. Seems a perfect recipe for anti Semitism.
There are laws pertaining to the Aaronic priesthood (Moses' brother) or also called the Levitical Priesthood. When Christ came to earth, He taught us that He brought with Him the Holy Priesthood, also called the Melchizedec Priesthood. This is the higher law. The lesser priesthood focuses on temporal ordinances, while the higher priesthood focuses on eternal ordinances, such as the power to bind on earth and in Heaven as mentioned in the NT.
No sir, you cannot turn this into something it is not. Please do not put those words in my mouth.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127585 Apr 3, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Seems the rules change depending upon what you wish to believe. It is as if man makes the rules, not a god that knows all.
No, please refer to my earlier posts. You need to fully understand the end goal of this entire existence before you can understand why things happened in the Bible as they did.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127586 Apr 3, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I know it is not what you were saying, but it is my belief. The same reason you feel your church is the one true church is why some feel yours is not even of Christianity. Of course they are twisting what the common definition of Christianity is, but sense when are they ever following the rules of language? They change the meanings of words to fit their agenda and views, just as many follow one passage of the bible and not others depending upon their agenda and view.
You see, the crux of the flaws religion makes, can turn your entire mentality to twist things in odd ways.
It's not the fault of the religion, or even because of the existence of religion. Are words misspelled because pencils exist? Is it the pencil's fault?
No

Since: Oct 13

Lexington, KY

#127587 Apr 3, 2014
Yeshua in the Old Testament

Recently I have had some conversations with people who have questioned Yeshua in the old testament.. Some have down right rejected any concept of Yeshua in the Old Testament and called it a kind of allegorical reading of the old testament.. Others do believe he was there but not fully known. Others do not believe that deity of Christ, Trinity, or the sacrificial work of the cross were present.. When I have stated that Yeshua was fully known by Old Testament believers I have been said to be "jesting"... All of these people claimed the name of Christian. I found this to be quite shocking and so I had started to prepare my listing...

If you want Yeshua's sacrificial work of the cross you only need to go to Psalm 22 which are the very words of the Messiah on the cross while dying..

The following will be a comprehensive list of Yeshua in the Old Testament that I have been working on..

The name of Yeshua is found in Psalms 3:8; 9:14; 13:5; 14:7; 20:5; 21:1, 5; 35:9; 38:22; 40:10, 16; 50:23; 51:14; 53:6; 62:1, 2, 6; 68:19; 69:29; 70:4; 71:15; 74:12; 78:22; 88:1; 89:26; 91:16; 96:2; 98:2, 3; 106:4; 116:13; 118:14, 15, 21; 119:41, 81, 123, 155, 166, 174; 140:7; 144:10; 149:4.

Something that struck me as I was researching Psalm 89 is that this is the restatement of the Davidic covenant which clearly speaks of Yeshua and it also contains both his name (translated as “salvation”) and his title “Messiah” fully four times.

The following list will contain the Old Testament references followed by a New Testament references

Born of the Seed of the Woman Gn 3:15 -- Gal 4:4, Mt 1:20
Born of a Virgin Is 7:14 -- Mt 1:18, 24,25, Lk 1:26-35
Son of God Ps 2:7, 2Sa 7:12-16, 1Ch 17:11-14 -- Mt 3:17, 26:63-64, Mk 3:11, 9:7, Ac 13:30-33, Jn 1:34

Since: Oct 13

Lexington, KY

#127590 Apr 3, 2014
Yeshua portrait by the different books of the Old Testament...

In Genesis, Yeshua is the seed of woman who will bruise the head of the serpent. We see Melchizedek the King of Righteousness and Yeshua is our High Priest "on the order of Melchizedek."

In Exodus, The lamb slain whose blood was on the doorposts of the Israelites is a precursor to Yeshua, the Lamb of God.

In Leviticus, the sacrifices and offerings are symbolic of the sacrifice of Yeshua .

In Numbers, the rock and the manna are symbolic of Yeshua, the Bread of Life and the Rock of our salvation.

In Deuteronomy we see the Prophet who is to come who is "like unto Moses".

We see the Captain of the Lord's Hosts in Joshua, an Old Testament manifestation of Yeshua.

In Judges we have the Angel of the LORD who appeared to Manoah and his wife. We see the many judges who were saviors to Israel.

Ruth shows us the kinsman-redeemer. Yeshua is our Kinsman-Redeemer.

The books of Samuel reveal David, the prince and the king. Yeshua will sit upon the throne of David. Yeshua is the Root and offspring of Jesse.

The books of Kings show us the earthly kings and their shortfalls. Yeshua will be King of kings and Lord of lords. Yeshua is He who is "greater than Solomon" and "greater than the Temple."

Chronicles shows Yeshua as "the King's son" rescued from the dead and hidden in the House of the LORD to be manifested in due time. This was good king Joash. Read the story in 2 Chronicles 22-23.

In Ezra, Yeshua is the "nail in the holy place."

Nehemiah speaks of the "bread from Heaven" and the water out of the Rock." Both typify Yeshua.

The seed of woman (through whom Yeshua would come) is preserved in Esther (the Jews were saved by her intervention). The name of the LORD is spelled out in four acrostics in Esther.

Job talks about his redeemer in 19:25 "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:"

Yeshua is seen throughout the Psalms. Please see previous section on Yeshua in the Psalms.

Proverbs tell us about the Wisdom of God, who is Yeshua.

Since: Oct 13

Lexington, KY

#127591 Apr 3, 2014
Ecclesiastes shows Yeshua as the "one man in a thousand" among the emptiness of life under the sun.

Song of Songs portrays Yeshua. He is shown as the faithful Shepherd, and the Bridegroom.

Isaiah tells of the Suffering Servant who is Yeshua who was "wounded for our transgressions," and "bruised for our iniquities." Isaiah said that "with his stripes we are healed."

Jeremiah reveals the Righteous Branch.

Ezekiel shows Yeshua as the True Shepherd, the Prince, and the Son of Man.

In Daniel, Yeshua is Messiah the Prince, who is "cut off."

Hosea is Yeshua' namesake, for Hoseah means Yehovah's Savior just as Yeshua does.

Joel speaks of Israel's deliverer.

Amos speaks of raising the tabernacle of David. Yeshua came to earth and tabernacled among us. See John 1:14, where the word "dwelt" actually means "tabernacled".

Obadiah tells us of the Deliverer on Mount Zion.

Jonah, mentioned above, is the sign Yeshua would give the world (three days and nights in the belly of a fish).

Micah speaks of the King passing before them.

Nahum tells us of the Stronghold in Trouble.

Habakkuk talks about the Holy One whose glory covers the sky.

In Zephaniah we are told of the Mighty God in the midst of Zion.

Haggai calls Yeshua the "desire of all nations."

Zechariah speaks of "the Branch".

Malachi calls Him the Sun of Righteousness.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127592 Apr 3, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So instead of like biblical times, your rules of god come from a republic of sorts. In biblical times, it was of dictatorship. Both claim it is of some revelation from a god, but of course, one must simply believe they speak for a god without any evidence. It is blind faith in the men who make these claims.
Can you explain how you came to that conclusion from my post?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127593 Apr 3, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure what they call them, but the automatic excommunication is far from closing the gaps and loving.
Just blindly follow the rules of the republic of Mormonism.
Excommunication is a blessing for them because it allows them to repent and become baptized again if they so choose. It cleans the slate for them and we welcome them back with open arms. You seem to have less of an understanding of things than I remember, or maybe you just grew more negative. Care to have a conversation and leave the snarky insults out? Discussions go much better that way.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127594 Apr 3, 2014
justice_- wrote:
<quoted text>Religion is a very effective tool for people to judge and kill for. I think people have their own translation of what God supposedly wants .They take a verse from the Bible and twist it into their own beliefs and use it against each other . Why do you suppose there are so many versions of the Bible ? They have edited it to fit their own agendas . This. is why I don't believe any of it. Who knows what really occured. There is so much contradiction and lies.
My point exactly. It shouldn't have been that way. We believe it is as Jesus said it would be: a falling away from the church. People would look here and there and not find it. The priesthood was no longer on the earth. No one to receive revelation for the body of the church once the Apostles were killed. But He also said there would be a restitution of all things. The priesthood would be restored and the earth would prepare for His return. We believe this restoration occurred and that the priesthood is again active on earth. We believe in the same organization Jesus began, a prophet, 12 apostles, quorum of the 70, and all the callings within the priesthood. God said he does things through His prophets. We believe we are in these end times when these prophecies are being fulfilled.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#127596 Apr 3, 2014
Apostle Amber wrote:
Ecclesiastes shows Yeshua as the "one man in a thousand" among the emptiness of life under the sun.

Song of Songs portrays Yeshua. He is shown as the faithful Shepherd, and the Bridegroom.

Isaiah tells of the Suffering Servant who is Yeshua who was "wounded for our transgressions," and "bruised for our iniquities." Isaiah said that "with his stripes we are healed."

Jeremiah reveals the Righteous Branch.

Ezekiel shows Yeshua as the True Shepherd, the Prince, and the Son of Man.

In Daniel, Yeshua is Messiah the Prince, who is "cut off."

Hosea is Yeshua' namesake, for Hoseah means Yehovah's Savior just as Yeshua does.

Joel speaks of Israel's deliverer.

Amos speaks of raising the tabernacle of David. Yeshua came to earth and tabernacled among us. See John 1:14, where the word "dwelt" actually means "tabernacled".

Obadiah tells us of the Deliverer on Mount Zion.

Jonah, mentioned above, is the sign Yeshua would give the world (three days and nights in the belly of a fish).

Micah speaks of the King passing before them.

Nahum tells us of the Stronghold in Trouble.

Habakkuk talks about the Holy One whose glory covers the sky.

In Zephaniah we are told of the Mighty God in the midst of Zion.

Haggai calls Yeshua the "desire of all nations."

Zechariah speaks of "the Branch".

Malachi calls Him the Sun of Righteousness.
Jesus had many names. What is your overall point?

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Lexington Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Divas Strip Club (Jan '12) 28 min Proudman 94
A Walk Through the Cemetary 1 hr Anonymous 10
cowboys strip club (Apr '13) 1 hr Wildcat80 106
Foreign Women in Lexington 2 hr snow 10
Debbie cox 3 hr Mike15 3
Nail salons 3 hr snow 2
Annoying uy with bull horn at fireworks behind ... 3 hr snow 2
More from around the web

Lexington People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

Personal Finance

Lexington Mortgages