Sunday alcohol sales in Shepherdsvill...

Sunday alcohol sales in Shepherdsville are in council's hands

There are 32 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Dec 22, 2009, titled Sunday alcohol sales in Shepherdsville are in council's hands. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

The upcoming vote on Sunday alcohol sales in Shepherdsville looks to be close, despite voters' overwhelming support in a recent referendum.

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Resident

Madison, OH

#1 Dec 26, 2009
I am against alcohol sales on sunday. Why not vote to make Shepherdsville dry 24/7 ?
Smell the roses

United States

#2 Dec 27, 2009
Resident wrote:
I am against alcohol sales on sunday. Why not vote to make Shepherdsville dry 24/7 ?
Is is a religious belief that makes you feel this way? You do know that there are many of us Christians who do not feel the way you do. I truly enjoy a beer with my pizza, at game time. I enjoy a glass of wine, with my steak. An I enjoy raising a toast with my children on birthdays and special occassions. Yes, we still live in a free country, that is governed by the majority, not the minority. And while we make this a dry free county. Let's ask Jim Beam to close and give up all those jobs, the taxes, and the way of life they provide for many. A person has a right to drink or not to drink alcohol. Alcohol is not the evil that people try to make it. If consumed with wisdom. No there should not be "ANY" drinking and driving. We have a very good council, I hope they vote on sound reasoning, the will of the majority of the people.
im from menifee

Nicholasville, KY

#3 Dec 27, 2009
Resident wrote:
I am against alcohol sales on sunday. Why not vote to make Shepherdsville dry 24/7 ?
Seriously think about this. Especially if it is because of religion. If a person wants to drink on Sunday they are going to buy it Saturday night. I have heard the argument people will drink and skip church if they do it. Not. If someone wants to skip church to drink they will either buy it Saturday night and skip anyway or they will drink when they go home from church. Sunday alcohol sales can mean more jobs or at least more hours for the already employed in some cases, so please tell me the harm in it? If people want to drink on Sunday believe me they will find a way to do it.
Not to mention the lil well known fact of freedom of religion. Not everyone is religious.So we are then denying non religious people their freedom to buy on Sunday. If this is because of religion and you really want to look at religion as an excuse to prevent it, well some churches are open on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, so should we prevent it on those days too?( I do not know if you think it should be banned on Sunday because of religion but that is the only reason I can think of.)
I was raised Baptist ( my parents have no problem with what day one wants to drink on) and baptized Pentecostal as an adult. I now either go to a Catholic Church or an Episcopal Church now. These folks have no problem with drinking any of the day of the week.
im from menifee

Nicholasville, KY

#4 Dec 27, 2009
Lol and tho my ip says I am in Nicholasville I am not, I am in Lexington. I was raised however in a very poor county. If they would become wet ( any day of the week lol) then maybe they could have more jobs available.
im from menifee

Nicholasville, KY

#5 Dec 27, 2009
Smell the roses wrote:
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Is is a religious belief that makes you feel this way? You do know that there are many of us Christians who do not feel the way you do. I truly enjoy a beer with my pizza, at game time. I enjoy a glass of wine, with my steak. An I enjoy raising a toast with my children on birthdays and special occassions. Yes, we still live in a free country, that is governed by the majority, not the minority. And while we make this a dry free county. Let's ask Jim Beam to close and give up all those jobs, the taxes, and the way of life they provide for many. A person has a right to drink or not to drink alcohol. Alcohol is not the evil that people try to make it. If consumed with wisdom. No there should not be "ANY" drinking and driving. We have a very good council, I hope they vote on sound reasoning, the will of the majority of the people.
I agree 100% with everything you just said. Too bad it took Lexington so long to even figure it out.
im from menifee

Nicholasville, KY

#6 Dec 27, 2009
Also, Sunday alcohol sales here are regulated for the religious people. It can not be sold before a certain time during Sunday.( And I think that is wrong as well, like I said people can and do buy it on Saturday for early Sunday consumption if they want it)
One thing though that gets me is that it messes with freedom of many things for people who either are not religious or do not care when it is sold.
John David Bradshaw

Dallas, TX

#7 Dec 30, 2009
How many lives have been affected negatively by the use of alcohol?

How many families have been destroyed by alcohol?

How many spouses and children have been abused by an alcoholic family member?

How many people have been killed or maimed by a drunk driver?

Who pays for the results of alcohol?

I don't want Sunday sales of alcohol in Shepherdsville, KY, or anywhere else.

Yes, you have individual rights.

But in the public venue, like a restaurant, the community has a right that overrides any individual rights.

I say, no Sunday sales of alcohol in Shepherdsville.

Visit http://NoBooze.org for more information.

JDB
John David Bradshaw

Dallas, TX

#8 Dec 30, 2009
P.S. The listing gives my location as Louisville.(I'm using a computer in Louisville right now.)

I live in Bullitt county just east of Shepherdsville. My address is Shepherdsville. But since I don't live in the city limits, I "don't have a dog in this fight" according to City Councilman Ellis.

So if you live in the city limits of Shepherdsville, your "dog IS in this fight".

If you are against Sunday sales of alcohol in Shepherdsville, visit http://NoBooze.org

JDB
soft spoken

United States

#9 Dec 30, 2009
John David Bradshaw wrote:
How many lives have been affected negatively by the use of alcohol?
How many families have been destroyed by alcohol?
How many spouses and children have been abused by an alcoholic family member?
How many people have been killed or maimed by a drunk driver?
Who pays for the results of alcohol?
I don't want Sunday sales of alcohol in Shepherdsville, KY, or anywhere else.
Yes, you have individual rights.
But in the public venue, like a restaurant, the community has a right that overrides any individual rights.
I say, no Sunday sales of alcohol in Shepherdsville.
Visit http://NoBooze.org for more information.
JDB
My father was an alcoholic, no one made him drink, he chose too. Yea, for the self righteous. There many things that ruin lives, take lives, destroy families. My sister died of lung cancer, from smoking. It is not alcohol or "things" that destroy lives, it is the people that chose to use them. Prescription drugs is the number one killer, so lets do away with prescription drugs, because a few of the people abuse them. I do not think so....
This is now and will, or at least I hope so, be a country of "free will". Yes, "some" people have abused alcohol, but, the very vast majority has not, will not. Again, it is trying to push someone's idea's on those with idea's other then ours. Let's do away with guns, no more hunting, however; young men are losing their lives in the West End of Louisville everyday, lives and familes are destroyed. My household is alcohol free, that is because under the constitution, I was given the right to choose, certain things in my life without goverment control. My husband, has a opinion, however; he want let me print it. Alcohol is not the demon, the demon is the person using it, if they use it in a incorrect manner. I understand you do not live in the city, and state you want to stay out of it, when in fact you are doing just the opposite. Everyone knows, if you have a little computer savy, and know where to go, you can get anyone's IP address. They are not hiding, they just do not want to be bothered by others when reflecting their thoughts.
Ford UAW Worker

Byron, GA

#10 Dec 31, 2009
It is time for Shepherdsville to catch up with the rest of the world. This Preacher- Randy Pace seems to be a hypocrite. I heard he has some issues of his own. He needs to take care of himself and his Church and live politics to people we elected. This Ellis kid needs to be out of office.

We need Sunday Liqour sales so we can get real restuarants? Why isnt anyone Fussing about Hillview Sunday Sales? Arent they in Bullitt County? Is Loud mouth Pace going to their Council Meetings?
BC Forever

Louisville, KY

#11 Dec 31, 2009
Ford UAW Worker wrote:
It is time for Shepherdsville to catch up with the rest of the world. This Preacher- Randy Pace seems to be a hypocrite. I heard he has some issues of his own. He needs to take care of himself and his Church and live politics to people we elected. This Ellis kid needs to be out of office.
We need Sunday Liqour sales so we can get real restuarants? Why isnt anyone Fussing about Hillview Sunday Sales? Arent they in Bullitt County? Is Loud mouth Pace going to their Council Meetings?
Why does Ellis need to be out of office? He IS FOR Sunday sales! You are mentioning Ellis in your comment does not make any sense! Ellis wants progress in the city and is voting for the people!
im from menifee

Lexington, KY

#12 Dec 31, 2009
John David Bradshaw wrote:
How many lives have been affected negatively by the use of alcohol?
How many families have been destroyed by alcohol?
How many spouses and children have been abused by an alcoholic family member?
How many people have been killed or maimed by a drunk driver?
Who pays for the results of alcohol?
I don't want Sunday sales of alcohol in Shepherdsville, KY, or anywhere else.
Yes, you have individual rights.
But in the public venue, like a restaurant, the community has a right that overrides any individual rights.
I say, no Sunday sales of alcohol in Shepherdsville.
Visit http://NoBooze.org for more information.
JDB
How many days of the week do these things happen on?(whether it is alcohol related or not?) So you mean if they do not sale alcohol on Sunday none of these things will happen because of alcohol? Come on now, like I said people will always drink on Sunday ( just as these bad things will happen every day of the week) so they may as well help boost the economy with it.
UAW worker

Byron, GA

#13 Dec 31, 2009
John David Bradshaw wrote:
How many lives have been affected negatively by the use of alcohol?
How many families have been destroyed by alcohol?
How many spouses and children have been abused by an alcoholic family member?
How many people have been killed or maimed by a drunk driver?
Who pays for the results of alcohol?
I don't want Sunday sales of alcohol in Shepherdsville, KY, or anywhere else.
Yes, you have individual rights.
But in the public venue, like a restaurant, the community has a right that overrides any individual rights.
I say, no Sunday sales of alcohol in Shepherdsville.
Visit http://NoBooze.org for more information.
JDB
"But in the public venue, like a restaurant, the community has a right that overrides any individual rights."
That is how Socialism maintains power- That is how Socialism works- Are you A Socialist Mr Bradshaw?
What About Individual Rights? What will you out law next- Guns? Freedom Of Speech?
Lexsex

Georgetown, KY

#14 Dec 31, 2009
Restrictions of alcohol sales on Sunday is a law based on religion, pure and simple. They should be invalidated.
im from menifee

Lexington, KY

#15 Dec 31, 2009
Lexsex wrote:
Restrictions of alcohol sales on Sunday is a law based on religion, pure and simple. They should be invalidated.
Yep Amen I totally agree!

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#16 Jan 4, 2010
Sunday sales will keep money in Shepherdsville, bring new jobs, and give more opprotunity to our business owners. I don't see why we would continue to give that money to Jefferson County. I am for Sunday sales!
LOL

United States

#17 Jan 4, 2010
BC Forever wrote:
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Why does Ellis need to be out of office? He IS FOR Sunday sales! You are mentioning Ellis in your comment does not make any sense! Ellis wants progress in the city and is voting for the people!
Have you ever had a conversation with Ellis, does he impress you as a leader, I think he is 32 or 34 years old. What leadership role has he had before? however; can't blame him for having high hopes, but, none the less, he is clueless. The alcohol vote is nothing new, people have been talking about it for years. Yes, He AND Hatfield AND Wetzel had the idea moved forward, not just one person. Don't expect us to believe that the city will fold if alcohol does not come to town. Look around, a new steak house is opening soon, "Triple Crown". Frischs Big Boy has started building, and from what I understand a major chain steak house, is in the area trying to buy property. All this without sunday sales. Now, I do think that if the golf course is allowed to have the option, so should the rest of the business owners in town. I am not saying Ellis is not a good person, he very well may be, in my opinion, I just do not see him as a leader. I have been wrong before. But, not often.....
Local

Bardstown, KY

#18 Jan 6, 2010
The current ban on Sunday sales is completely religion based. I'm not sure the difference in some of the prior posts between Sunday and any other day of the week. Sunday sales will not make a person an alcoholic. If I want beer on a Sunday I will simply drive to Jefferson County. The fact is that I will eat there too. Why would a big chain restaurant come to Shepherdsville and lose those sales on Sunday when they can be in Hillview and make that money. I know for a fact that one huge steak house chain turned down an opportunity in Sheperdsville and that was a big part of it.
JohnT

United States

#19 Jan 6, 2010
Mr. Bradshaw and Mr Pace, surely you both must admit that you are demanding no Sunday sales for religious reasons.

Personally my opinion is, if you want more people to not drink on Sundays, step up your church recruitment. Get more people under that roof with you on Sundays and do your best to try and convince them you are following the right path in life. Let your following voluntarily apply your teachings to their personal lives. This is the way real Americans share and grow their religious communities and ideas.

Real Americans do not try and force their religious beliefs on their neighbors with laws.

As far as our councilmen and women and our Mayor are concerned. For any of you to vote against this ordinance is a joke. Don Cundiff especially. Isn't Mr. Cundiff a lawyer? Didn't he swear an oath to uphold the Constitution when he joined the Ky Bar? Mr. Cundiff of all of our councilmen should understand the correct and legal way to vote on this ordinance. I hope he does the right thing.
Christian

United States

#20 Jan 6, 2010
This is a christians point of view. I am a Christian, I believe there is only one way to be saved, and that is through Jesus, my lord. I do not believe customs or religious beliefs are to be forced on others. I do know we have a great council, and Mr. Cundiff is an outstanding member of that council, I do know he will vote on what he believes is best for the city and the community. If he choses not to vote the way I feel or would like the vote to go, then so be it. He will do what he believes what is right and so will Bonnie Enlow, they are both outstanding community leaders. As for me, I would vote "yes", I believe it should be a matter of choice. It seems that this post has become a battle of Christian beliefs , either believe my way or your condemned. I don't think so!!!!!! It is "AMERICA" not the Spanish Inquistion of the 1500's. Believe my way or you will be beheaded. The majority, the will of the people must pervail. Alcohol is no more a demon that cigarettes, in my opinion. I don't like them however; it is each one's right to chose what they think is right for them, certainly not my right to say what is not right. If you don't want to go don't believe in visiting a establishment that sell's liquor on Sunday, then don't go, that is your choice, but don't take my choice away from me, because I believe different that you, and believe you "can drink with responsibilty and maturity". As for as kids, kids do not go into restaurants and get alcohol, they will be carded, I do not know of any licensed facility that would take a chance on losing their license by selling a minor a drink.

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