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what has happened to woodford co. baseball????

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CONCERNED WOODFORD PARENT

Richmond, KY

#1 Aug 31, 2014
As a parent of an upcoming baseball player in the woodford system, I am concerned about where the program is going. They hired a coach with no head coaching experience and no pedigree other than doing whatever Lucas said. He made the right friends in the building and now woodford has gone from state dominance to laughing stock. I for one am taking my son elsewhere unless the administration decides to bring in somebody who knows how to win. I know for a fact there were qualified people that applied after Lucas retired and have taken teams to elite levels. Why someone with no head coaching experience was chosen over someone like that is beyond my comprehension but I will not subject my son to it.
woodford player

Richmond, KY

#2 Aug 31, 2014
CONCERNED WOODFORD PARENT wrote:
As a parent of an upcoming baseball player in the woodford system, I am concerned about where the program is going. They hired a coach with no head coaching experience and no pedigree other than doing whatever Lucas said. He made the right friends in the building and now woodford has gone from state dominance to laughing stock. I for one am taking my son elsewhere unless the administration decides to bring in somebody who knows how to win. I know for a fact there were qualified people that applied after Lucas retired and have taken teams to elite levels. Why someone with no head coaching experience was chosen over someone like that is beyond my comprehension but I will not subject my son to it.
I will agree it seemed like Coach Royal was overwhelmed. There was no preparation or scouting done and many of the players had to do our own recruiting stuff
sad times at woodford

Richmond, KY

#3 Aug 31, 2014
I agree I know of one that applied that has taken three different programs to state championship appearances but was not hired. That's a big red flag. Coach Royal is a great guy but he's over his head and if something isn't done soon the entire program will be a wash because players will go other places to play.
Woodford co senior

Lexington, KY

#4 Aug 31, 2014
As a senior on the Woodford county baseball team I have played under coach royal for 4 years and i'll have you know that he is probably one of the best coaches I have ever had. One bad season and your little " Upcoming baseball players" think you can try and demote him from the head coaching position. Coach royal was an assistant under coach parrett and if you knew one single thing about coaching, you would know that parrett's decisions were not made by him alone, he asked all of his assistants and they agreed on a decision. As a concerned parent you should really take a seat, your not the one playing so it's none of your business. Last season cannot be pinned on coach royal in any way shape or form, he ran practices the same as they were ran the year we won state. Another tip that might help you understand is that the year we won state we had 9 starting seniors, not all underclass men. To be completely honest with you I don't think freshmen deserve to play at the varsity level partly due to them and, there parents, thinking they have more of a say than they really do. Truth be known if they had official tryouts the majority of the players coming up wouldn't make the team anyway.
CONCERNED WOODFORD PARENT

Richmond, KY

#5 Aug 31, 2014
I'm not going to argue with you but I do appreciate your insight. Just for the record it is my business when I have a kid coming up in the system. I have heard he is a players coach and the kids like him, but not only having a losing record, having a terrible record is inexcusable. If he knew it was going to be a rebuilding year he could've at least played a full 35-game season. From what I am seeing and hearing I am thinking about taking mine elsewhere. If I was the only one with that opinion I'd rethink it, but I'm not. That is why I am wanting to get some feedback before I make that decision.
business owner Versailles

Richmond, KY

#6 Aug 31, 2014
I can assure you that if another season like this past year happens, then it will be addressed. Winning always shuts everyone up. So let's hope that happens so and woodford gets back on track.
business owner Versailles

Richmond, KY

#7 Aug 31, 2014
Woodford co senior wrote:
As a senior on the Woodford county baseball team I have played under coach royal for 4 years and i'll have you know that he is probably one of the best coaches I have ever had. One bad season and your little " Upcoming baseball players" think you can try and demote him from the head coaching position. Coach royal was an assistant under coach parrett and if you knew one single thing about coaching, you would know that parrett's decisions were not made by him alone, he asked all of his assistants and they agreed on a decision. As a concerned parent you should really take a seat, your not the one playing so it's none of your business. Last season cannot be pinned on coach royal in any way shape or form, he ran practices the same as they were ran the year we won state. Another tip that might help you understand is that the year we won state we had 9 starting seniors, not all underclass men. To be completely honest with you I don't think freshmen deserve to play at the varsity level partly due to them and, there parents, thinking they have more of a say than they really do. Truth be known if they had official tryouts the majority of the players coming up wouldn't make the team anyway.
Young man I don't think it is a personal attack on coach royal. I think they are getting at the fact that a more experienced coach with a track record for winning should have been explored and it wasn't. Woodford shouldn't be a place where someone gets their first head coaching job. Its too much of a risk. I think the administration sees that now and is keeping an eye on the situation? At least that is what I have been told.
player from Nelson

Richmond, KY

#8 Aug 31, 2014
I will agree. Their coach watever his name did seem pretty lost when we played them and were not that good. It was a shock to see a woodford team that bad.
Current WC players parent

Lexington, KY

#9 Aug 31, 2014
I agree last year was a rough season and I have a child on the team. I think people need to give Coach Royal another chance, they can't blame everything on him. If players would step up and play like they should we would have had a better season. The incoming players are not as prepared as they should be to play at a High School level. If you can't hit or catch a ball by the time you make it to High School then maybe you should think about playing another sport. It sounds like to me that the parents are more concerned about things then the players are because when asked if they wanted to play Fall Ball the players voted not to play. I'm not sure where you have been but prior to 2012 Woodford Co. was not a baseball powerhouse. And 1 state championship does not make one!
Current WC players parent

Lexington, KY

#10 Aug 31, 2014
CONCERNED WOODFORD PARENT wrote:
I'm not going to argue with you but I do appreciate your insight. Just for the record it is my business when I have a kid coming up in the system. I have heard he is a players coach and the kids like him, but not only having a losing record, having a terrible record is inexcusable. If he knew it was going to be a rebuilding year he could've at least played a full 35-game season. From what I am seeing and hearing I am thinking about taking mine elsewhere. If I was the only one with that opinion I'd rethink it, but I'm not. That is why I am wanting to get some feedback before I make that decision.
Sorry but you have been misinformed. That fact is that Coach Royal was not named the head coach until after the first of August because Coach Parrett did not resign until then. The schedules have to be set in early July and this was no done before the exiting coaching staff left and Coach Royal did not have authorization to do it until he was official. He did the best he could in the short amount of time he had to prepare, by the time he was named head coach everyone else schedules were already set. I hope this clears the issue up for you.
Jeggi

Lexington, KY

#11 Aug 31, 2014
Some parents in Woodford County are nothing but lunatics. When has Woodford County sports ever been ALL about winning? If all you care about is your sons playing for a winning team then your not much of a parent at all. If you want your kids playing for a winning team take them to a school who recruits and watch your kids sit the bench all four year, but HEY at least they played for a winning team. And as mentioned before Woodford has never been that great in baseball......hell basketball or football. Coach Royal teaches life lessons and trys to turn your kids into men, something that y'all "grownups" might want to think about trying to be. Losing record or not scouts realize talent. If you are good enough you will get looks from colleges and potentially get a scholarship. Stop living through your kids.
Sports Dad

Versailles, KY

#12 Sep 1, 2014
I think the baeball coach should get at least couple years to prove his self. The real question should be why do we keep the same football coach who has lost 35plus games in three years.
Jeggi

Lexington, KY

#13 Sep 1, 2014
Again it's not all about winning. I don't think Tony La Russa could have had a winning season with last years talent or the year before. Definitely not this year either. Winning is 75% good baseball players 25% coaching.
CONCERNED WOODFORD PARENT

United States

#14 Sep 2, 2014
Jeggi wrote:
Again it's not all about winning. I don't think Tony La Russa could have had a winning season with last years talent or the year before. Definitely not this year either. Winning is 75% good baseball players 25% coaching.
That is such an uneducated statement. 25% coaching? That may be true on the professional level, but not high school. Coaching means everything. Look at all the D1 and pro talent that has come through Lexington over the past 20 years and they barely have a handful of titles. In high coaching will win or loose for you. Not good in baseball?? I'm pretty sure they won a state title two years ago and now they are a laughing stock. That alone should tell you how much coaching means. They have had several years where the talent was a lot less than what they have now and they never looked this bad. Also, do you honestly think a descent college or pro recruited is going to come watch the laughing stock of central KY to get their players from? I'll answer that for you, no!!! The only life lessons that are being taught is learning how to lose and lose badly. If that is what they were going for than I applaud them they succeeded. My son is not the only one thinking of leaving. There are several and I hope they fix this so that doesn't have to happen.
Jeggi

Lexington, KY

#15 Sep 2, 2014
They won a state title because of the talent that they had. When is Woodford County ever going to have to pro pitchers, a whole starting lineup of seniors, and the TALENT that they did in 2012?
Your an idiot.

2005: 16-19 2 College players.....Coach Lucas
2006: 27-10 Chris Denney pitcher who threw over 96 MPH, 7 college players.... Coach Lucas
2007: 17-15 2 college players at Georgetown and Union....Coach Lucas
2008: 22-14 1 Pro player, 2 D1 college players, 5 D2-D3 players.....Coach Lucas
2009: 13-20 0 college players ..... Coach Lucas
2010: 16-20 1 College player....Coach Lucas
2011: 24-10 2 Pro Players, 3 D1 players, and an experienced infield of seniors...Coach Lucas (Essentially the same team as 2012, different coach lost only 4 games more than 2012)
2012: 34-6 You know the story
2013: Same team as 2012 ranked top in the nation and yet couldnt repeat the 2012 season.

Talent is everything. And as you can see over the past 10 years Woodford hasn't been dominant in baseball.
Jeggi

Lexington, KY

#16 Sep 2, 2014
In 2002, Nick Delaney was rated the best pitcher in the state and had every division 1 school in america scouting him. Was Woodford really that good that year? I'll answer that one, NO!!They lost the district championship and 1st game of region. But scouts were at every game.
Current WC players parent

Lexington, KY

#17 Sep 2, 2014
CONCERNED WOODFORD PARENT wrote:
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That is such an uneducated statement. 25% coaching? That may be true on the professional level, but not high school. Coaching means everything. Look at all the D1 and pro talent that has come through Lexington over the past 20 years and they barely have a handful of titles. In high coaching will win or loose for you. Not good in baseball?? I'm pretty sure they won a state title two years ago and now they are a laughing stock. That alone should tell you how much coaching means. They have had several years where the talent was a lot less than what they have now and they never looked this bad. Also, do you honestly think a descent college or pro recruited is going to come watch the laughing stock of central KY to get their players from? I'll answer that for you, no!!! The only life lessons that are being taught is learning how to lose and lose badly. If that is what they were going for than I applaud them they succeeded. My son is not the only one thinking of leaving. There are several and I hope they fix this so that doesn't have to happen.
Well for the rest of us who stand behind our coach and want to have a more successful year this year we don't need or want to start the season with negative parents. With that being said, let me be the first to wish you and the other concerned parents the best of luck somewhere else.
CONCERNED WOODFORD PARENT

United States

#18 Sep 3, 2014
Jeggi wrote:
In 2002, Nick Delaney was rated the best pitcher in the state and had every division 1 school in america scouting him. Was Woodford really that good that year? I'll answer that one, NO!!They lost the district championship and 1st game of region. But scouts were at every game.
All that talent and no titles. That proves my point that talent is not all you need. The reason those kids were still recruited is bc of their coach and his relationships. All you did was make my point stronger. Talent with bad coaching will never win. Baseball is an ultimate team sport, and there is no way that alone will win. Even in the pros it doesn't work. Look at the A's and the dodgers last year. It took Mattingly a year to finally get his team to buy in and now they're winning. That same team as individuals with the best talent in the league couldn't win. That's the pros, and high school is multiplied by how important a coach is to a baseball team.

Coach Royal I hope turns things around. If not, woodford will take a hit with upcoming talent.
CONCERNED WOODFORD PARENT

United States

#19 Sep 3, 2014
I apologize for being negative and I'm not expecting a state championship team. However, when my alma mater gets to a point where below .500 teams are beating them 16-2 and can only muster up six wins, something needs to change. If they wouldn't have played those teams they beat multiple times, we may have only won three or four games. That's not a rebuilding year! That is someone over their head. You could take a bum off the street and he could manage to get a team to that many wins. I'm making a plea for change before all of the young talent we have coming up leaves. I'm not against the program. Im seeking out a solution.
Jeggi

Lexington, KY

#20 Sep 3, 2014
I didn't just make your point stronger. Each year directly correlates with how much talent Woodford had...2005: 16-19 2 College players (Only two college players thats not great. That means the rest of the team wasn't even good enough to get D3 scholarships.) 2006: 27-10 Chris Denney pitcher who threw over 96 MPH, 7 college players (Had elite players and had an elite season.) Every year that Woodford only had 1-2 elite players they had a losing or sub par season. None of these kids were recruited because of the coaches relationships. Lucas does nothing for his players. Girls basketball and baseball he only helps out his favorite on the team, his ONE favorite. Nick Delaney went to college camps, showcases, and got noticed despite Woodford record and history of being a sub par baseball team.

State Winners:
2014:St. Xavier
2013: PRP
2012: Woodford
2011: Central Hardin
2010:Harrison County
2009: Lexington Catholic
2008: PRP
2007: Dunbar
2006:Lexington Catholic
2005: Lexington Christian
2004: Christian County

And as you can see in the past 10 years PRP and Lexington Catholic are the only 2 teams who have won more than 1 title. It is really hard to win a state title and you can't expect that every year just because Woodford won 1 state title. Take your son to Catholic or PRP if you want more than 1 title.

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