Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 148850 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#115871 Oct 31, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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I'd find it curious that Apologists are the only ones who bring up Dawkins but it's well known that religion and OCD go hand in hand, and I do notice that the fundamentalists place great store in name dropping and referencing the opinions of intellects greater than their own (I would expect to see curious quote Homer Simpson, Shep Howard and Jinx the Cat if they had their own blogs on AnswersinGenesis). My own preference is to think for myself - but that is doubtlessly and paradoxically an alien thought to pew warmers.
I don't need a refresher in fables and fairy tales, thank you. I'm quite familiar with Christian dogma. I do feel obligated to warn you off from Aesop, however. You already believe in talking snakes, bushes and donkeys, there's nothing to be gained by adding the rest of the animal kingdom to your delusions.
Well there goes the lessons of character worth learning from the Grasshopper and the Aunt, the Tortoise and the Hare and the rest of the similar readings.

Shame on you for even leaning to the commie-dictator censorship side!
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#115873 Oct 31, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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Yep, almost as big of a joke as religion. Did you check that link out on the oddly shaped church? Reminds me of that song It's a Brick House.
Beats a snake farm!
(but nope, didn't click any links)
Known Fact

Somerset, KY

#115874 Oct 31, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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Just don't ask this guy that, and you'll be fine in your continued delusions of denial.
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/
Yeah, you'll believe anything. I actually have a piece of wood off the Ark if you want to buy it. It doesn't have any growth rings because it never rained before the flood. Three easy payments of $19.99 with free shipping.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115875 Oct 31, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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Just don't ask this guy that, and you'll be fine in your continued delusions of denial.
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/
Ron Wyatt? Seriously? GUFFAW!!!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115876 Oct 31, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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Well there goes the lessons of character worth learning from the Grasshopper and the Aunt, the Tortoise and the Hare and the rest of the similar readings.
Shame on you for even leaning to the commie-dictator censorship side!
No, Sista, you've misconstrued what I said AGAIN.

I think Aesop's fables are fine for children, but not for delusional fundamentalists. You know - the ones that want to burn Macbeth, Grimm's and A Christmas Carol because they mention magic, witches and ghosts, ban Little Red Riding Hood because she had wine in the basket, eradicate the gay teletubbies and Bert & Ernie and rewrite Huck Finn to be PC.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#115877 Oct 31, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Moses?
Don't tell me you believe all that stuff about the Israelites in the wilderness and camped at the foot of Mount Sinai?
I will tell you whatI don't believe.

I don't believe that I was created by nothing from nothing or that I evolved from nothing.

I don't believe that the non living,nonintelligent and nonconscious are able ,spontaneously or otherwise ,able to create life,consciousness and intelligence.
The reasonn being that ,as complicated as those qualities are , only a fool would make that claim.
A claim for which they can provide no evidence whatsoever ,only wishful thinking...
You have had the opportunity to address that issue and to do it in a sensical manner....You all have failed to do so.
So now you want to talk about Moses, another subject that you are illequipped to discuss....

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115878 Oct 31, 2013
curious wrote:
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I will tell you whatI don't believe.
I don't believe that I was created by nothing from nothing or that I evolved from nothing.
I don't believe that the non living,nonintelligent and nonconscious are able ,spontaneously or otherwise ,able to create life,consciousness and intelligence.
The reasonn being that ,as complicated as those qualities are , only a fool would make that claim.
A claim for which they can provide no evidence whatsoever ,only wishful thinking...
You have had the opportunity to address that issue and to do it in a sensical manner....You all have failed to do so.
So now you want to talk about Moses, another subject that you are illequipped to discuss....
In other words Khatru, he doesn't understand much of anything but he does like the wishful thinking part quite a bit. It makes him feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

By all means curious. Entertain us with your musings on Moses' Moral Massacre, the magic showdown and the fluid dynamics behind how the Red Sea was cleaved in two.
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#115879 Oct 31, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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Yeah, you'll believe anything. I actually have a piece of wood off the Ark if you want to buy it. It doesn't have any growth rings because it never rained before the flood. Three easy payments of $19.99 with free shipping.
No deal for you Charatan--but I'll let you have a post modern dinosaur, with a free box of rabbit pellets for the same.....
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#115880 Oct 31, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Ron Wyatt? Seriously? GUFFAW!!!
You and your DUHnial just can't stand it that some one ELSE has viewed Mt Sinai up close with their own eyes-and has books on the market about.

Wahwahwah.
Known Fact

Somerset, KY

#115881 Oct 31, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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Beats a snake farm!
(but nope, didn't click any links)
Well the Huffington Post is a safe link but here's the headline. Christian Science Church In Illinois Looks Exactly Like A Penis (Oops?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/29/chri...

You can't tell me that they didn't know what they were doing when they built it. They even put a huge tree right where it needed to be to finish it off. Just Google church penis and it'll show you plenty of links you can chose from or look it up yourself on Google Earth.
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#115882 Oct 31, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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No, Sista, you've misconstrued what I said AGAIN.
I think Aesop's fables are fine for children, but not for delusional fundamentalists. You know - the ones that want to burn Macbeth, Grimm's and A Christmas Carol because they mention magic, witches and ghosts, ban Little Red Riding Hood because she had wine in the basket, eradicate the gay teletubbies and Bert & Ernie and rewrite Huck Finn to be PC.
Okay, my bad...pardon my imperfect humanity.
(NEXT time maybe be more specific!?!)
Known Fact

Somerset, KY

#115883 Oct 31, 2013
curious wrote:
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I will tell you whatI don't believe.
I don't believe that I was created by nothing from nothing or that I evolved from nothing.
I don't believe that the non living,nonintelligent and nonconscious are able ,spontaneously or otherwise ,able to create life,consciousness and intelligence.
The reasonn being that ,as complicated as those qualities are , only a fool would make that claim.
A claim for which they can provide no evidence whatsoever ,only wishful thinking...
You have had the opportunity to address that issue and to do it in a sensical manner....You all have failed to do so.
So now you want to talk about Moses, another subject that you are illequipped to discuss....
Yet you believe God came from nothing. He created dinosaurs, didn't like them so he killed them off. Created humans, felt regret, killed off 99.99% of them and the animals in a flood. Creates Satan and the angels, they don't like God so a third of them leave. Now God is going to come back with fire and destroy all the Earth because now I guess he doesn't like the Earth.

Sounds like God sucks at creating things.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115884 Oct 31, 2013
curious wrote:
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Here are a few more names out of a list of many.
These are Jews ,whom by reading the NEW TESTAMENT BECAME TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT JESUS IS THE MESSIAH
So much for your nonsencical theory
CHRISTIAN, Paul (Malachi ben Samuel), a Polish rabbi, converts in 1621 several years after being impressed by a Yiddish translation of the New Testament. He is particularly surprised that marginal references to the Hebrew Scriptures are not distorted, as he had been told they would be. He writes, "My heart became full of doubt. No man can believe the pain and ache that assailed my heart. I had no rest day or night.... What should I do? To whom should I speak of these things?" He finally feels he has no choice but to cross over.
ELIAKIM, Ephraim Ben-Joseph, also called Haham Ephraim, a rabbi in Tiberias, Palestine, who after studying biblical prophecies believed that Jesus is the Messiah
GANZ, Richard.A brilliant psychoanalyst who saw Jesus in the Hebrew Scriptures. See his testimony
HALEVI, Solomon, Rabbi, Archbishop of Burgos(1351-1445), a respected physician. After reading Thomas AquinasÂ’ treatise De Legibus, examined the Messianic prophecies of the OT and the Pauline Epistles of the NT. He was baptized at the age of 31 and then studied theology
OLASKY, Marvin. Born ina Jewish-American family, Marvin declared himself an atheist at 13 and remained so for the next decade. Then followed three transition years that ended with his becoming a Christian at age twenty-six. A renowned syndicated columnist
SITENHOF, Benjamin, comes to believe in Christ by reading a Polish New Testament, and builds a refugee center in Danzig in 1923 (then a "free city" under the protectorate of the League of nations and gateway to the west from Eastern Europe
STONE, Nathanpublishes in 1944 Names of God in the Old Testament, a study showing that the attributes of God in the Old Testament belong as well to Christ as He is depicted in the New Testament. Stone becomes director of the Jewish missions program at Moody Bible Institute
Yea, yea, yea, and many Christians have been converted to Islam after reading the Koran. None of this proves anything other than people will believe stories with zero evidence.
BTW, Christians often convert to Judaism.
You have still failed to answer my question about an atheist teaching the bible class.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115885 Oct 31, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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You and your DUHnial just can't stand it that some one ELSE has viewed Mt Sinai up close with their own eyes-and has books on the market about.
Wahwahwah.
There is your worship of the region shining through like june bugs on a screen door again. I've never seen anyone gush over rocks and dust quite like you do. Makes me wonder if you smoke a cigarette after posting about middle east landmarks.

I dare say that millions of people have viewed Mt. Sinai up close with their own eyes. That is hardly an amazing accomplishment. Why should I be surprised that you seem to think that the yardstick of accuracy is finding a publisher? Oh, gotcha. It's that OCD name dropping thing, I wouldn't understand.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115886 Oct 31, 2013
curious wrote:
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I would assume that the same rules that are applied to teaching evolution and the Scientific theory of the BB would be applied.
So they would point to what has evidence? Then not much of the bible would be included.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115887 Oct 31, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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Okay, my bad...pardon my imperfect humanity.
(NEXT time maybe be more specific!?!)
I was specific and I didn't propose censorship. I don't think 3rd graders should be reviewing Cujo in English class, but that doesn't imply "burn Stephen King at the stake."

Either nothing is perfect or everything is. It is an absolute. By humanity's gauge, no one and no thing is. It's one of the prime arguments that there is no "Perfect Creator."

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115888 Oct 31, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So they would point to what has evidence? Then not much of the bible would be included.
There were some collateral and incidental historical facts that made it into the Bible. At least King Herod was real, and most of the place names. Not Bethlehem, but others...

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115889 Oct 31, 2013
curious wrote:
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No,I would not mind having a JEW TEACHING THE CLASS.
Who did you have in mind? Friedrich Niezchke or maybe Sigmund Freud, both who were afflicted by mental illness , a condition that also afflicts Atheists in inordinate numbers.
Since Atheists base their moral code on their personal desires , they are hardly qualified to pass judgement on a valid moral code.
That , automatically , disqualifies them.
But , check this out , 3 names from a long list;
Continued on next post
Disqualifies them? And who told you atheists base their moral code upon personal desires? Someone has been blindly believing hateful religious propaganda. That would be you.

I have many desires in which I do not act upon due to my moral code.

So for the sake of debate, lets assume a teacher applying to teach the bible class did have only his personal desires as his moral code. Now just how would you go about knowing if his morals were bad?
Seems as if he has not broken laws, it would be hard to disqualify them.
And why would his personal feelings matter anyway? My point is, this is one reason the class is problematic for government. You are putting religion into a secular stetting. Ones personal beliefs will likely be put into the class. But government is not going to exclude someone due to their personal religion as far as teaching goes.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115890 Oct 31, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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There were some collateral and incidental historical facts that made it into the Bible. At least King Herod was real, and most of the place names. Not Bethlehem, but others...
But the claims of Herod are not verifiable. In fact, some are known to be false(No census). So the bible is a poor source for history. It seems it would only confuse students to what is real history.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115891 Oct 31, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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You can call me a hypcosrite all day long.
It doesn't make it true.
As far as that "turning the other cheek" stuff, I give consideration to the situation in which it might apply, and as well as when it might not.
I'm turning one on your ignorance and hatefulness right now.
But I will mention again-I have my OWN opinions and interpretations-and I do NOT need you to explain ANY words definition to me, as I read and comprehend exceptionally just fine thank you.
Of course accusing does not make it so. So when you call me a hypocrite for calling you a hypocrite, it really means nothing, except the fact you have no rebuttal.
Now I show evidence of your hypocrisy. I can point out exactly what you are being hypocritical about. You have yet to do so when you call me a hypocrite. That is the difference.

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