Susan Alamo, Saint? Or Not?

Susan Alamo, Saint? Or Not?

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Shekanahh

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#1 Jul 16, 2007
I don't want to think unjustly about anyone, but I do read Alamo Ministries Watch, and I DO report some of the things I read.
What I would like to know, from someone who knew Susan, is what they're take was concerning the kind of person she was. As in, you shall know them by their fruits??

One thing I had a problem with was the obvious ostentatious lifestyle she lived after the "ministry" got rolling. THIS IS DOCUMENTED, and not heresay evidence.

I just have a hard time believing that someone is "blessed" to that extent,(furs, jewelry, expensive clothes, cadillacs, mansions), while their converts live in abject poverty.

Some believed she practically walked on water, built up the newbies in the Word of God, and even died for "her people".

One thing I know is that it is by the grace of God, that ANYONE gets built up by the Word of God. The Holy Spirit works with the hungry and receptive child of God, even in the worst of circumstances. However, in the case of cults and abusive churches, sometimes it becomes difficult for the Spirit to get through to people because of the doctrines of men,(false doctrines).

So, the question is, was she truly a saint, or just darned good at playing the role?
modesto

United States

#2 Jul 16, 2007
This subject is a bit controversial or maybe I should say "sensitive"(since I've never heard ex members actually argue about it)among ex members of the Tony and Susan Alamo Christian Foundation.Some think she was Godly others don't.I am squarely in the group that thinks she wasn't.I have a great deal of fondness and respect for my fellow brothers and sisters who went through that nightmare with me and do not begrudge them their opinions in any way,we can agree to dissagree.

One of the main reasons I left was that Tony began telling the congregation that Susan was suffering for our sins.One afternoon he went so far as to say "Jesus only suffered for six and a half hours but Susie has suffered for years for you people".That was kind of a final straw for me since my Bible only talks about one person who suffered for my sins and that happened at Calvary about two thousand years ago.I am very sorry that Susan had to suffer the way she did and I don't regret having prayed for her healing and comfort, still,her suffering was not for me and my sins, to claim otherwise is the most flagrant heresy I can imagine.

While I believe Susan Alamo was a con artist from day one, I think she provided a service to the community of sorts by keeping Tony in line.When she was alive there was still at least a shred of respectability to the image of Christ and Christianity projected by the organization.Now that she's gone it has become a shameful spectacle which crucifies Christ anew and tramples his blood under foot.
AlanB

Orlando, FL

#3 Jul 16, 2007
I can look at it from an outsiders standpoint ( with a lot of inside knowlege having lived with an ex-member for 22 years), and I say she was just a FRAUD. THere was nothing even religious about her. She saw similar things happening around her ( it was the Jesus people era), and saw a way to make herself rich.
Shekanahh

Vera, OK

#4 Jul 18, 2007
modesto wrote:
This subject is a bit controversial or maybe I should say "sensitive"(since I've never heard ex members actually argue about it)among ex members of the Tony and Susan Alamo Christian Foundation.Some think she was Godly others don't.I am squarely in the group that thinks she wasn't.I have a great deal of fondness and respect for my fellow brothers and sisters who went through that nightmare with me and do not begrudge them their opinions in any way,we can agree to dissagree.
One of the main reasons I left was that Tony began telling the congregation that Susan was suffering for our sins.One afternoon he went so far as to say "Jesus only suffered for six and a half hours but Susie has suffered for years for you people".That was kind of a final straw for me since my Bible only talks about one person who suffered for my sins and that happened at Calvary about two thousand years ago.I am very sorry that Susan had to suffer the way she did and I don't regret having prayed for her healing and comfort, still,her suffering was not for me and my sins, to claim otherwise is the most flagrant heresy I can imagine.
While I believe Susan Alamo was a con artist from day one, I think she provided a service to the community of sorts by keeping Tony in line.When she was alive there was still at least a shred of respectability to the image of Christ and Christianity projected by the organization.Now that she's gone it has become a shameful spectacle which crucifies Christ anew and tramples his blood under foot.
Thanks for your input on this, since I am seriously trying to understand the mechanisms of what makes up a cult.

Not having been personally part of this, I can only try and look at it objectively, and from a spiritual angle, and from what I can see, there were a number of flaws from the beginning, and only grew worse with time. For example, apparently the newbie converts were told to "labor for Christ" and turn the fruits of that labor,(money) over to Tony and Susan, who fed them the scriptural line from the Bible about the early church laying their goods and all they had at the Apostle's feet, so that they shared all things common so there would be no lack amongst the brethren.
First of all, Tony and Susan were NOT apostles. And if they truly wanted to share equally, and "have all things common", how come Tony and Susan grabbed the lion's share and lived high on the hog in luxury, while the kid's had to eat the husks, and did indeed suffer lack?
A little leaven leavens the WHOLE LUMP, and you don't have to be a biblical scholar to see that there was something wrong with this picture from the get go. This was not what the Apostles did with the money that was laid at their feet, to go out and spend it on themselves. Can you imagine the Apostle Peter, or Paul driving around in the latest model chariot, or decked out in furs, designer clothes and expensive jewelry?

Yea, things that make you go hmmmm!! The LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!

Jesus said the birds have nests and the foxes have holes but the Son of Man has not a place to lay his head. But Tony and Susan had to have a mansion??
Maybe more on this later.
worm-can opener

San Antonio, TX

#5 Jul 20, 2007
Shekanahh,
It would take about a solid MONTH, to explain the way things were at the foundation, in order to really cover all of it. Modesto's above post pretty much covers the basics. Susan Alamo was a shyster, she had scammed churches, before the foundation ever existed, alond with her daughter, Chris. When Chris departed from the "church", in the early 70's, Susan was calling the "fuma sisters" up, and saying that Chris had turned on her, "just like Absalom had turned against David". There was a big smear campaign against Chris (how she supossedly eaten 7 Big Macs at one sitting, and was "a 300 pounder" etc. I think this all must have transpired, because Chris was sick and tired of seeing the scam, right up close.
worm-can opener

San Antonio, TX

#6 Jul 20, 2007
All I ever received from Susan Alamo was(1) rebukes in front of the whole congregation (2) that "YOU MOTHERS" garbage (3)around 3 of us received welfare checks,(because we had just moved in, after being Hollywood hippies) the checks were turned over to Tony and Susan, after about 1 month of spending them on needs that we had. All the babies and children in the organization ate hot cornmeal cereal and donuts for breakfast, watery soup for lunch and dinner (with an occasional piece of cabbage or carrot floating in it) and a fruit salad that the flies had landed in, all afternoon (4) if our children went to Disneyland or some other neat place, the fumas took them, because the mothers of the kids weren't worthy to go (5) reproach, disgrace, scorn, contempt and the "crash crew".
worm-can opener

San Antonio, TX

#7 Jul 20, 2007
As soon as the Alamo's moved us up into the mountain/desert area of Saugus, Ca. we got recruited to the burning hot fields of Bakersfield, to hoe cotton (Gone with the Wind style) lop roses (our hands, wrists, and occasionally our faces got bloody, from long branches with thorns, whipping across our faces, from the next row) we picked olives, grapes, oranges and pears, so that the money we made could be turned right over to the Alamo's.
worm-can opener

San Antonio, TX

#8 Jul 20, 2007
We slept on floors. there weren't even washing machines. About 6 sisters loaded up everyone's (women's) laundry, and had around 110 loads to do. we often returned home at about 8:00 a.m. I can remember taking my FROZEN JEANS off the clothesline, that I had washed by hand, in order to have clean pants. We also had to wash our hair in ICE-WATER, because their was no hot water from the faucet. The two of them used all of us, to have a home in the Hollywood hills, Saugus, Nashville, the Ridge, Dyer, Ark. and Tulsa. The one on the Ridge had a huge, long terrarium, I guess the place where the casket had been, was once a dining room, you went down some steps to a magnificent livingroom ( it was gigantic !!) between those 2 rooms were pillars, and there were long murals and three expensive circles of chairs with coffee tables. the kitchen was very large and showy. The bedrooms were also on that floor. a spiral staircase led to the den (Toe-Knee's office, and the place where many beatings of kids took place) it was all paneled with decorative wood, and plush red carpeting, and the rooms down there were under that whole, huge house. They had a black limo and a private heart-shaped swimming pool.
worm-can opener

San Antonio, TX

#9 Jul 20, 2007
The moral of the story ? The Alamo's lived in splendor, while we lived like Oliver Twist, employed in their many "work houses" I have no good memories of Susan Alamo. Just like Modesto said, we all were suppossed to be the cause of Susan's terminal cancer. turns out that Susan SMOKED like a chimney, before the cancer got her. We always were led to believe there was no good thing we had ever done, even though we had laid down our lives for the gospel, given up cars, jobs, friends, families, careers, houses or apartments, all material possessions, all money, all freedom- because we wanted to serve the Lord. It was like they had turned us upside down, and shook every blessed penny out of us, so they could live their dream of luxury. THAT, Shekanahh, was what Susan Alamo was all about. Love, Worm Can Opener
Shekanahh

AOL

#10 Jul 20, 2007
worm-can opener wrote:
The moral of the story ? The Alamo's lived in splendor, while we lived like Oliver Twist, employed in their many "work houses" I have no good memories of Susan Alamo. Just like Modesto said, we all were suppossed to be the cause of Susan's terminal cancer. turns out that Susan SMOKED like a chimney, before the cancer got her. We always were led to believe there was no good thing we had ever done, even though we had laid down our lives for the gospel, given up cars, jobs, friends,
families, careers, houses or apartments, all material possessions, all money, all freedom- because we wanted to serve the Lord. It was like they had turned us upside down, and shook every blessed penny out of us, so they could live their dream of luxury. THAT, Shekanahh, was what Susan Alamo was all about. Love, Worm Can Opener
That's just what I thought sis, and thank you for confirming that. The word says out of the mouth of two or more witnesses a testimony is established. Just how many WITNESSES does it have to take for some folks to believe Susan wasn't a female apostle? There weren't EVER any female apostles anyway. Godly women yes, but apostles, no. And she didn't walk on water.
I want to tell you that people can and have been healed of cancer and delivered from smoking. If Susan was so godly, how come she was never healed or delivered?
I'm not condemning those who've struggled with healing or smoking but sis, Susan held her self up to be the LEADERSHIP in that deally. BTW, that's why I posted the thread on the Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes recently so folks could see the contrast. I guess most have been too busy with Fouke problems to notice but it describes Tony and Susan to a T.
God bless you Claudia. Love you in the Lord :)
worm-can opener

San Antonio, TX

#11 Jul 21, 2007
Well, Shekanahh,
you did remind me of something that had slipped my memory, entirely. I am guessing on the year, but I think it was 1979. All the people judged unworthy of residing in the state of Arkansas, "the messes" were assembled in the sanctuary, just before a Sunday service, when everyone gasped, and yelled," is that TONY AND SUE ??!!" they had pulled up in their "Apollo R.V." everyone went wild !! the message that was preached that afternoon, was how Susan had been supernaturally healed (very recently) she told all of us how that blood was suddenly bursting out of her body, which meant she would soon die (like a last occurance before death) and how she rebuked the devil, and was now healed. True or false, she did die around 5 years later, of cancer.
worm-can opener

San Antonio, TX

#12 Jul 21, 2007
I do believe in divine healing. After at least 8 years of angina (had been diagnosed by 3 doctors, after E.K.G.'s and exams) I was healed in 1984, and have since had various physicals, and had the doctors say, in all their smug wisdom; "you don't get healed from angina" then do the tests, and find NOTHING !! hallelujah !!! but WHY would a person get healed, and then DIE from the disease, a few years down the road ?? I have not had those pains come back in 25 years, and they were so terrible, that I would have to lie down on a couch for 45 minutes, just to recuperate, they felt like 100 needles, repeatedly jabbing my heart. Just to give one example-I was looking in my closet for something to wear to Sun. services, the next thing I knew, I was half in, and half out of that closet, lying there, thinking I was dying of a heart attack. Ann Elmore came along, joking,"don't die in the closet", but it was very serious pain, and it has NEVER RETURNED !! what was the deal with Susan's supernatural healing ?? I also have never read in the Bible about a blind man becoming blind again, or a lame man getting healed, and then becoming un-healed, and lame, all over again. just some thoughts
your friend, WORM
Shekanahh

AOL

#13 Jul 21, 2007
worm-can opener wrote:
I do believe in divine healing. After at least 8 years of angina (had been diagnosed by 3 doctors, after E.K.G.'s and exams) I was healed in 1984, and have since had various physicals, and had the doctors say, in all their smug wisdom; "you don't get healed from angina" then do the tests, and find NOTHING !! hallelujah !!! but WHY would a person get healed, and then DIE from the disease, a few years down the road ?? I have not had those pains come back in 25 years, and they were so terrible, that I would have to lie down on a couch for 45 minutes, just to recuperate, they felt like 100 needles, repeatedly jabbing my heart. Just to give one example-I was looking in my closet for something to wear to Sun. services, the next thing I knew, I was half in, and half out of that closet, lying there, thinking I was dying of a heart attack. Ann Elmore came along, joking,"don't die in the closet", but it was very serious pain, and it has NEVER RETURNED !! what was the deal with Susan's supernatural healing ?? I also have never read in the Bible about a blind man becoming blind again, or a lame man getting healed, and then becoming un-healed, and lame, all over again. just some thoughts
your friend, WORM
Wow sis! I don't know which to answer first, about Susan's healing, or your's. Let's start with Susan's I guess. It's entirely possible for a person, even a Christian, to get a healing, and then for one reason or another, to loose it again. For one thing, Satan is very good at casting doubts, such as, "you aren't really healed", and then bang, if you buy into that, there goes the healing out the window. I've heard of people loosing their healing because of allowing Satan to plant a seed of doubt. Even had that happen myself and had to IMMEDIATELY REPENT of the doubt that crossed my mind,(and I KNOW who put it there wasn't Jesus), and got my healing back, and the pain leave, just as fast as when I lost the healing.
Faith is so important in healing, just like Jesus said.
Another possibility is that the person either backslid, or entered into some type of sin that allowed Satan to gain entrance again. Remember when Jesus told the lame man with the spirit of infirmity to go and sin no more LEST A WORSE THING HAPPEN TO YOU. I've heard of people loosing their healing because of that also.
I don't know why Susan lost HER healing, but apparently she did. And remember what Jesus told the man with the spirit of infirmity about a worse thing happening to you......what can be worse than cancer returning to the point of death? Anyone who saw Tammy Faye on the Larry King show interview could see what I mean. Poor Tammy. You had to feel sorry for her. I'm not her judge...only Jesus knows for sure.



But how can it be Jesus will for any Christian to die of cancer like that? However, I must admit, there is a vast distinction between simple BELIEVING FAITH and the OVERCOMING FAITH. I've been criticized for saying that, but wasn't Jesus the one who always said, "According to YOUR FAITH, so be it unto you"?
Shekanahh

AOL

#14 Jul 21, 2007
And Claudia, I know about angina and how excruciating the pain is. I have experienced that myself. Funny, how it would always hit me when I was going to go to an intercessory prayer meeting, or ready to get down to pray in my prayer closet. Hmm?
I would hear a "little voice" that said, "You aren't going to make it to that intercessory meeting", or one time, "You better go to the emergency room fast".

Yea, why were YOU getting ready to go to CHURCH TO WORSHIP JESUS when it hit? See what I mean?

I stood my ground and rebuked and resisted the enemy, and then after a few months, the attacks just flat disappeared. Oh, once in awhile, the devil would try to lay that pain on me again, and I knew where it was coming from, so I resisted, pled the blood of Jesus and it would just leave. I guess as in "resist the devil and he shall flee." Then I had a prophecy and the Lord told me there was NOTHING WRONG WITH MY HEART,(although I'm sure the doctors would have).....so see, the devil can try to put sickness and pain or disease on us, and sometimes we have to struggle right in the midst of our pain and symptoms to get our healing, BELIEVING IN FAITH, that no matter what the doctors tell us, or how our bodies feel that God's WORD IS TRUTH, and Jesus is our healer and deliverer. He is so wonderful.
I know that there is much to be learned about divine healing, but bottomline, He is our Healer, and if there is any lack, it isn't on his part. Yes, we all struggle with things from time to time. We are still flesh, and I do have compassion for those who get sick and would never judge or condemn them. I want to be able to help anyway I can. I just know Jesus wants to bless his children and heal them all, it's part of our salvation.....BUT, he demands FAITH from us and it's impossible to please God without it.
I'm SO glad that you were healed of angina. But to me, angina is just another word for torture by Satan. Been there, done that....it's over! PRAISE GOD!!
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To other readers:
Folks, read the gospel of Mark again and see all the times Jesus would say something to the effect of, "According to your FAITH, so be it unto you."
worm-can opener

San Antonio, TX

#15 Jul 21, 2007
Shekanahh-
thank you, INTERESTING POINTS !! Susan Alamo was born approximately 1925. this places her at around 54 years old, at the time of the healing. she said that she was 9 years old at the time of her other healing from T.B., and consequent salvation. SHE was the one preaching that very thing to all of us(losing your healing because you listened to the devil-and let doubt get in) but then, she would also get up there and preach about how " I might have this or that fault, but I am not STUPID, I would not sell my soul for ANYTHING" if what we all suspect about her is indeed true( being a rip-off-artist, shyster, and hoodwinker of churches ) wasn't she actually VERY STUPID, according to her own definition ??? all we know is; IF she really had been healed- SOMETHING HAPPENED after the occurrence.
Claudia

“too busy lookin' good!”

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#16 Feb 11, 2013
You do know that this would make for a heck of a good movie, don't you?
brother d

Roswell, GA

#17 Feb 15, 2013
Sue was so good at fabricating fables you're still repeating and believing them. She and "tony" were both frauds; however, Sue at least had some personality and definitely all of the charisma of the two. "toney" was always a dirtbag hanger on.
brother d

Roswell, GA

#18 Feb 15, 2013
bluestreak returns wrote:
You do know that this would make for a heck of a good movie, don't you?
I think they already made it. It was called "Monster".
brother d

Roswell, GA

#19 Feb 15, 2013
Sue didn't walk on water. She trod on the backs of those in her path. If any opposed her. she stood on their necks. A very Machiavellian personality.

“too busy lookin' good!”

Since: Jan 13

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#20 Feb 16, 2013
brother d wrote:
<quoted text>I think they already made it. It was called "Monster".
The Alamo experience in general would make for a pretty good movie, or at least a tv miniseries or a limited series on cable. Only question is, who would play who?

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