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Hayseed

Princeton, WV

#1 Jan 13, 2012
I don't know why clinton and all the "clean politicians" are coming down on these marines.
They stay in their nice clean and safe air conditioned homes and send the best out to do their dirty work.

While these marines should have not done this it is not a big deal. Do people have any idea what these thugs have done to women in their own country or to our soldiers. Samolia comes to mind "Black Hawk Down"

Good job Marines, and thank you, piss on them all if you feel the need, they killed your brothers.
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ridiculous

Charleston, WV

#3 Jan 13, 2012
It is crazy other countries can behead, burn, and pretty much do whatever they want to us yet our soldiers get charges for taking a leak hell those terrorists may have just been on fire and those marines were just trying to help them out in my opinion they can use their turbans as toilet paper for all I care because you can only imagine what they would do if table were turned
Oh my

White Sulphur Springs, WV

#4 Jan 14, 2012
The thing is you cannot take the morale high ground when you do stuff like this. I don't think it's a criminal act but yes I do expect our soldiers to honour the uniform and codes of conduct, otherwise why even have rules of conduct for our soldiers in the first place?

If you do not then why not simply bomb every single thing over there including men, women and children and just say that's what war is and bring the troops home.

Yes those people are terrorists but if you start to act like those people then you become those people, then what the hell are we fighting for?

An eye for an eye is never a good policy, it's a juvenile playground mentality that just shows how little we have come as a human race.
Puh lease

Rock Creek, WV

#5 Jan 14, 2012
Oh my wrote:
The thing is you cannot take the morale high ground when you do stuff like this. I don't think it's a criminal act but yes I do expect our soldiers to honour the uniform and codes of conduct, otherwise why even have rules of conduct for our soldiers in the first place?
If you do not then why not simply bomb every single thing over there including men, women and children and just say that's what war is and bring the troops home.
Yes those people are terrorists but if you start to act like those people then you become those people, then what the hell are we fighting for?
An eye for an eye is never a good policy, it's a juvenile playground mentality that just shows how little we have come as a human race.
I have read comments for and against this but I have to agree that we should be a bit better than that!
I have a friend from Iraq/Afganistan who says this is normal & I can't disagee with him because he is fighting & I am not. He has lost friends & makes the arguement that these ppl put bombs on women & children & pissing on them is the normal, right thing to do. I say when you are fighting monsters be careful to not become that monster you are fighting. If you stoop to their level then you are them. No better no worse. Sometimes I think when you do things like this you are making the anti-america hate worse! & it does exist & we should all be fearful of that. Don't cut the head of of one monster to let one grow in its place.
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i

Charleston, WV

#8 Jan 15, 2012
Puh lease wrote:
<quoted text>I have read comments for and against this but I have to agree that we should be a bit better than that!
I have a friend from Iraq/Afganistan who says this is normal & I can't disagee with him because he is fighting & I am not. He has lost friends & makes the arguement that these ppl put bombs on women & children & pissing on them is the normal, right thing to do. I say when you are fighting monsters be careful to not become that monster you are fighting. If you stoop to their level then you are them. No better no worse. Sometimes I think when you do things like this you are making the anti-america hate worse! & it does exist & we should all be fearful of that. Don't cut the head of of one monster to let one grow in its place.
I see you're point, but it's funny that it's okay to put a bullet in someone's head, but it's dead wrong to pee on them. It's hard to judge these soldiers from the outside...the amount of stress they probably have over there
Hayseed

Princeton, WV

#9 Jan 15, 2012
There are people who have never been there, that cannot image the stress and conditions.
War is not moral or sterile but is necessary sometimes, if you are going to war, go to win and pull out all the stops.
Do you think that it is not stressful to kill another human. They train us to take another's life and then think we can be turned on and off.
Good job to those 4 Marines. Thanks for doing a job I no longer can.
Oh my

White Sulphur Springs, WV

#10 Jan 15, 2012
Hayseed wrote:
There are people who have never been there, that cannot image the stress and conditions.
War is not moral or sterile but is necessary sometimes, if you are going to war, go to win and pull out all the stops.
Do you think that it is not stressful to kill another human. They train us to take another's life and then think we can be turned on and off.
Good job to those 4 Marines. Thanks for doing a job I no longer can.
Nobody is saying that war isn't stressful, but that doesn't mean you simply turn a blind eye to events like this. Of course this sort of stuff happens, it happened in WW2 and it happened in Vietnam, but that doesn't make it right. I understand patriotism and pride in our armed forces but that does not mean they are beyond reproach.

In my opinion there's been far too many cases where people speak up against something, and are then branded unpatriotic or un-american for doing so. Seem's to me that the government in general gets away with a awful lot that most citizens disagree with by simply wrapping it in the flag and accusing anyone who disagrees them of hating the military or being unpatriotic.

The troops do a fantastic job in incredibly difficult circumstances and don't for one second think that because someone speaks out against something that happens over there that they don't have the utmost respect for soldiers on the ground.
ridiculous

Hansford, WV

#11 Jan 15, 2012
I bet it is safe to assume that those of you putting down those marines have never served a single day on a battlefield I am not saying that those posting are being disrespectful but you obviously have no idea what you actually see in a war trust me when I say when you see your friends burned spit on killed by children and women or just blown to hell by a cowardly roadside bomb while talking to your buddies about family back home you have to take on the mentality of the monster because if not the high road will get you killed so until you can say you have seen or experienced any of this then you have no right to call anyone clueless, nuts, or anything because you are the ones who are clueless and the only thing you know of war is what you see on tv
Grammar Police

United States

#12 Jan 15, 2012
ridiculous wrote:
I bet it is safe to assume that those of you putting down those marines have never served a single day on a battlefield I am not saying that those posting are being disrespectful but you obviously have no idea what you actually see in a war trust me when I say when you see your friends burned spit on killed by children and women or just blown to hell by a cowardly roadside bomb while talking to your buddies about family back home you have to take on the mentality of the monster because if not the high road will get you killed so until you can say you have seen or experienced any of this then you have no right to call anyone clueless, nuts, or anything because you are the ones who are clueless and the only thing you know of war is what you see on tv
You made some very points and I agree 100% however, some periods and/or commas would have made your post much easier to read.
ridiculous

Hansford, WV

#13 Jan 15, 2012
a great interview with a Marine sniper when asked if he felt anything when he shot a terrorist, his response "recoil" either support your country and its military or shut your mouth and move on
ridiculous

Hansford, WV

#14 Jan 15, 2012
I apologize for the improper grammar LOL, I will admit I do get lazy when it comes to having to push the shift key ;)
rise above

Hillsboro, WV

#15 Jan 15, 2012
Anyone who urinates on another's remains is sick. An example should be made of these marines. And if they don't get what's coming to them now they can still look forward to it when they face God's judgment.
ridiculous

Hansford, WV

#16 Jan 15, 2012
rise above wrote:
Anyone who urinates on another's remains is sick. An example should be made of these marines. And if they don't get what's coming to them now they can still look forward to it when they face God's judgment.
LOL if you want to bring christianity into the mix then you would know that as soon as someone passes their soul leaves their body which was just a vessel anyways with no religious bearing besides if its about religion wouldn't they be going to hell anyways or do you believe they are going to heaven to 50 virgins, so if you look at it from a religious standpoint then peeing on a dead body would be no different then peeing on a rock which also has no soul
ridiculous

Hansford, WV

#17 Jan 15, 2012
LOL well instead of just hitting those cute little judge it marks like you have done on all of the posts that are against what you think then please do tell me where to look that shows that I am wrong because believe it or not I am very versed in the bible and I have yet to see where peeing on a dead body will make you go to hell
Oh my

White Sulphur Springs, WV

#18 Jan 16, 2012
ridiculous wrote:
.....either support your country and its military or shut your mouth and move on
This is my whole point, you disagree with someones point of view and then you are told 'support your country or shut your mouth'. The whole idea that people in the military are beyond reproach and we should NEVER dare criticise them is BS imo. Of course if you do then as I stated earlier you are somehow not supporting your country.

The soldiers over there are doing a very difficult job, however we do have rules governing behaviour. You cannot simply throw away over a hundred years of military rules just because you want to. They did wrong, they need to be punished, simple as that.
Hayseed

Princeton, WV

#19 Jan 16, 2012
Oh my
How would you feel if you seen one of your friend's dismembered head on a stake with his severed genials pushed into his mouth. And you have gaul to condemn these four men.

Common practice by enmeny in Vietnam
ridiculous

Hansford, WV

#20 Jan 16, 2012
you obviously do not see my point what I am saying is how quick people such as yourself are quick to put our guys on the chopping block just because you see what they did as wrong yet as I said earlier you have no idea what they see or go thru yet you want to say they have a difficult job buddy you have no idea with the mental and physical strain they go thru, but back to the point you want to say they need to be punished but I bet you are one of the first people to say we as Americans should restrain ourselves when atrocities are done to us and be the bigger person when the problem is with us Americans always having to be big brother, father, and mother to the whole planet while people burn our flag, and do much worse then piss on our dead when fact is we can (as proven with Iraq) take down a whole country in less then a month yet we must constantly show restraint I guess you would sympathize with every other country if we pulled all foreign aid to these countries that disrespect us saying that it is not proper diplomatic behavior and that we should be punished and ashamed of ourselves so why dont you be respectful and not disrespect our soldiers by assuming you know how difficult of a job they have because if you haven't ever done it you dont know
Oh my

White Sulphur Springs, WV

#21 Jan 16, 2012
Hayseed wrote:
Oh my
How would you feel if you seen one of your friend's dismembered head on a stake with his severed genials pushed into his mouth. And you have gaul to condemn these four men.
Common practice by enmeny in Vietnam
Two wrongs don't make a right! I don't know how many other ways to say it. There are rules of conduct for the military but you simply think that they don't matter or only matter when they suit you. An eye for an eye is a playground mentality way of looking at things.

As I have said time and time again, of course what the soldiers see and happens is appalling and I have the utmost respect and sympathy for them. However if you take the approach that you seem to want to take then where does it stop?

They torture an american soldier, so what do you do in retaliation, kill their women? They kill someone, so you murder their children? Or why not simply throw out the rule book and massacre everyone over there with a nuclear bomb?

As I have stated previously, I don't think it's a particularly serious offensive that the soldiers did, but nonetheless it is something that needs to be dealt with, simply because of the publicity it has caused which has done nothing positive for us over there.
Oh my

White Sulphur Springs, WV

#22 Jan 16, 2012
ridiculous wrote:
you obviously do not see my point what I am saying is how quick people such as yourself are quick to put our guys on the chopping block just because you see what they did as wrong yet as I said earlier you have no idea what they see or go thru yet you want to say they have a difficult job buddy you have no idea with the mental and physical strain they go thru, but back to the point you want to say they need to be punished but I bet you are one of the first people to say we as Americans should restrain ourselves when atrocities are done to us and be the bigger person when the problem is with us Americans always having to be big brother, father, and mother to the whole planet while people burn our flag, and do much worse then piss on our dead when fact is we can (as proven with Iraq) take down a whole country in less then a month yet we must constantly show restraint I guess you would sympathize with every other country if we pulled all foreign aid to these countries that disrespect us saying that it is not proper diplomatic behavior and that we should be punished and ashamed of ourselves so why dont you be respectful and not disrespect our soldiers by assuming you know how difficult of a job they have because if you haven't ever done it you dont know
Wow that's a wall of text, you seriously need to learn punctuation.

I have zero problems with pulling financial aid from any country, so you're completely wrong there I am sorry to say.

I don't see how simply expecting rules of conduct to be followed constitutes somehow being disrespectful to anyone. Explain that to me, because I do not understand it. Are you simply saying that the military rules of conduct don't matter when it comes to war?

This again goes back to my original point, where if you DARE to even voice any concern regarding the military or anything related to it you are just as you just did accused of being disrespectful.

I personally think it's far more disrespectful to allow behaviour like this that the whole world has seen to go unpunished therefore dishourning all the service of the men and women before who wore the uniform and served the country with honour and distinction.

Yet again I fully support the soldiers over there, but what I won't do is blindly support anything or wear rose tinted glasses and refuse to believe that yes sometimes even our own soldiers get it wrong. I don't give a damm about the Taliban, but when it comes to our soldiers we need to be the better people, otherwise we are no better than them.
Citizen Xane

Clay, WV

#23 Jan 17, 2012
If you give an 18 year old kid a rifle and send him off to fight, why are you so upset that when the fight is over he reverts back to being a kid again for a few minutes and does something childish? Why do you want to punish those young men for a situation we put them in? As for the politicians who spend their careers surrounded by security, fuck em! They don't know their asses from their elbows! Leave those marines alone, I am sure that their Gunnies will handle it well!

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