sweet military supporters

United States

#62 Sep 10, 2012
Who wants to donate to a wounded veteran from the lewisburg area and his family?
MIlitant Vet

Elgin, SC

#63 Sep 10, 2012
Screwedover wrote:
It should be considered discrimination for employers (Post Office, Federal Jobs, State Jobs, etc.) to give preference to Veteran's just because they were in the military. I feel like I get screwed out of the best jobs because I'm not a Veteran. I think if a Veteran wants a job let them stay in the military. Leave the normal jobs for us normal civilian people. If they're a disabled Veteran let them collect their government checks and stay home.
It iscalled federal law. Learn to love it.
Illuminati

Kodak, TN

#64 Sep 20, 2012
I would like to thank everyone who has posted positive comments about Veterans. I have given of myself many times other than the military and I feel that I have done right by those who (or whom...grammar police may bite my rear) I have helped over the years.
For those of you to afraid to put your life on the line for our wonderful country, you can leave the USA at any time and more than likely, you will not be missed!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#65 Sep 29, 2012
I approve of giving certain applicants extra points or preference as a general practice. However, I feel that there are some flaws that need to be addressed. If I understand the law correctly, agencies must hire a candidate with a "preference" over a candidate that without "preference" . The exceptions to this practice a limited to specialized positions like engineers, doctors, etc... I believe that the list of positions where a non- preferred candidate can be chosen over a candidate with a preference needs to be expanded.

I am a contract investigator. I work for a private company that has been hired by OPM to conduct background investigations for national security and/or public trust positions. I perform the exact same job as an OPM Federal Investigative Services agent. Same duties, same handbook, same everything.

I have done this for almost 5 years. The training programs for this position are created by OPM. I have been a Field Training Officer and a Mentor to new investigators (OPM requirements under their curriculum.)

In the past 2 years, there have been 2 open positions posted on USAJobs.com for OPM Background Investigators needed in my area. I applied for both of them and I could not get my resume forwarded to the agency because I don't get any extra preference points. I called and an HR person@ OPM told me that I would qualify for the position as a GS12 based on my résumé.

He also told me that they could not forward my résumé on for consideration specifically because I do not qualify for the Veteran's Preference. I was qualified, but not amongst the most qualified candidates.

The job is incredibly complex and has a direct impact on national security - we do the investigations when people apply for Top Secret clearances. If hired, I would be able to produce immediately. The vet that was ultimately hired the last time will not be able to work cases for at least 3-4 months. It takes about 18 months to become proficient.

In my opinion, the most experienced candidate for positions like these should be hired. I think that there is a big problem with the system when people like me can't make it past the automated gate keeper at USAJOBS.Com .

God bless all the vets and their families. You deserve a leg up, but do I deserve to be locked out?
My 2 cents

Kansas City, MO

#66 Sep 29, 2012
Contract Investigator wrote:
I approve of giving certain applicants extra points or preference as a general practice. However, I feel that there are some flaws that need to be addressed. If I understand the law correctly, agencies must hire a candidate with a "preference" over a candidate that without "preference" . The exceptions to this practice a limited to specialized positions like engineers, doctors, etc... I believe that the list of positions where a non- preferred candidate can be chosen over a candidate with a preference needs to be expanded.
I am a contract investigator. I work for a private company that has been hired by OPM to conduct background investigations for national security and/or public trust positions. I perform the exact same job as an OPM Federal Investigative Services agent. Same duties, same handbook, same everything.
I have done this for almost 5 years. The training programs for this position are created by OPM. I have been a Field Training Officer and a Mentor to new investigators (OPM requirements under their curriculum.)
In the past 2 years, there have been 2 open positions posted on USAJobs.com for OPM Background Investigators needed in my area. I applied for both of them and I could not get my resume forwarded to the agency because I don't get any extra preference points. I called and an HR person@ OPM told me that I would qualify for the position as a GS12 based on my résumé.
He also told me that they could not forward my résumé on for consideration specifically because I do not qualify for the Veteran's Preference. I was qualified, but not amongst the most qualified candidates.
The job is incredibly complex and has a direct impact on national security - we do the investigations when people apply for Top Secret clearances. If hired, I would be able to produce immediately. The vet that was ultimately hired the last time will not be able to work cases for at least 3-4 months. It takes about 18 months to become proficient.
In my opinion, the most experienced candidate for positions like these should be hired. I think that there is a big problem with the system when people like me can't make it past the automated gate keeper at USAJOBS.Com .
God bless all the vets and their families. You deserve a leg up, but do I deserve to be locked out?
I'm in agreement with you! It's stupid to hire someone who is less qualified just because they're a veteran. I feel like the veterans should have to jump through the exact same hoops as a civilian for ANY job, not just federal.
Bleed Red White and Blue

White Sulphur Springs, WV

#67 Sep 29, 2012
Screwedover wrote:
I appreciate Veterans for what they do but I don't think we need to kiss their butts! Besides, it was their CHOICE to enter unless drafted so they made their bed let them lie in it and stay in the military until they can retire. I choose NOT to get shot at!
You are a true cowardly piece of crap!! You couldn't hack it in the military, I've seen a dozen sniveling crybabys like you go awol because you miss mommys tit! You are a disgrace to this country, how about you go to Canada and apply for some govt. jobs. Your a joke!!!!!!!!
Mom who served

United States

#68 Oct 2, 2012
You do need to kiss my butt Screwedover, the military who protect and serve this country created the environment in this great country that enables you to apply for any job. We as former military are/were ex government employees, and therefore should get preferential treatment. If this is an issue for you all NON SERVERS, join the reserves, you will then get the same treatment also! Man or woman up sissies, or quit biotching about your dilemma!
good

Princeton, WV

#69 Oct 2, 2012
Wharever we do for our VETS it will never be enough!

Thanks to the brave Men and Women who served
Smokey

Saint Peters, MO

#70 Feb 14, 2013
I am a non-eligible veteran who has had many issues similar to these. It is not VP that is the issue. The issue is EO13518 (Veterans Employment Initiative). The VEI says that as long as an eligible veteran is on the list of qualified candidates, regardless of their points, they must be given the top positions. This moves non-eligible veterans and civilians down the list.

I have a M.A. and two and a half years of experience in my field and I have been beaten out by eligible veterans with a B.A. and no experience. VP only gave 5 points to eligible veterans and 10 points to disabled vets, they were still required to rank the top candidates. That doesn't happen with the new regulations.

How can someone who is a non-eligible veteran or a civilian compete for jobs if everything below GS-11 is a non-competative position???
yes

Covington, VA

#71 Feb 14, 2013
Screwedover wrote:
I appreciate Veterans for what they do but I don't think we need to kiss their butts! Besides, it was their CHOICE to enter unless drafted so they made their bed let them lie in it and stay in the military until they can retire. I choose NOT to get shot at!
So, is it ok with you if those of us who got drafted get preference?
bogus

Ashburn, VA

#72 Feb 20, 2013
I too agree that vet preference suck. I have applied for numerous fed civilian jobs and have been turned down as not the most qualified candidate and I know i have scored 99 and 100's in a lot of the applications. Yet because of a vet who scored a passing mark, he/she gets the "absolute preference" and I get turned down. This has nothing to do with appreciation for their service to this country and it's well noted but when it comes to best qualified, giving the five and ten is just a unfair advantage. It is flat out discrimination. Vets should earn their job just like everyone else. This thread has tons of vets saying how well they qualify..well, that should not be a problem for them if we level the playing field and remove their points, right?
Jack N

Oakvale, WV

#73 Feb 20, 2013
Screwedover wrote:
It should be considered discrimination for employers (Post Office, Federal Jobs, State Jobs, etc.) to give preference to Veteran's just because they were in the military. I feel like I get screwed out of the best jobs because I'm not a Veteran. I think if a Veteran wants a job let them stay in the military. Leave the normal jobs for us normal civilian people. If they're a disabled Veteran let them collect their government checks and stay home.
The last line says it all...just for you Screwedover...
Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I HAVE NEITHER THE TIME NOR THE INCLINATION TO EXPLAIN MYSELF TO A MAN WHO RISES AND SLEEPS UNDER THE BLANKET OF THE VERY FREEDOM I PROVIDE, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said THANK YOU AND WENT ON YOUR WAY. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE ENTITLED TO!
Noone can quite put it into words like Jack can

Bug Ridge

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#74 Feb 20, 2013
Jack N wrote:
<quoted text>The last line says it all...just for you Screwedover...
Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I HAVE NEITHER THE TIME NOR THE INCLINATION TO EXPLAIN MYSELF TO A MAN WHO RISES AND SLEEPS UNDER THE BLANKET OF THE VERY FREEDOM I PROVIDE, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said THANK YOU AND WENT ON YOUR WAY. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE ENTITLED TO!
Noone can quite put it into words like Jack can
Yep, hell of a speech, but the Colonel went down in flames & disgrace.
WTF

Princeton, WV

#75 Feb 20, 2013
I find it a slap in the face that I have served this country and did what I could to save lives that I did not know and seen those I did know die without anybody here really knowing them or care. Yet we come home and try to find a job with certifications we have earned and cretins want to bitch about something they never helped protect. I am proud to have served my country during desert storm and I think this post is just sad. I support all the men and women of the military and everything they stand for. It is about time we get preference for something. It was not that long ago when our heros came home and were cast out for serving our great country.
lmao

United States

#76 Feb 20, 2013
Some one call the wahmbulance and break out the kleenx for this crybaby please.
Jack N

Oakvale, WV

#77 Feb 21, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, hell of a speech, but the Colonel went down in flames & disgrace.
So what you are really saying is, I should go a head and Order the Code Red on Screwedover because I have nothing to lose?
WTF

Princeton, WV

#78 Feb 21, 2013
lmao wrote:
Some one call the wahmbulance and break out the kleenx for this crybaby please.
I would never or want need your pity because I am proud. Most people that bitch are nothing but lazy ass idiots that need to get a life other than pissing and moaning on topix land. If you spent as much time on your resumes as you do blasting shit on here you might have a great job or LIFE.
lmao

United States

#79 Feb 21, 2013
WTF wrote:
<quoted text> I would never or want need your pity because I am proud. Most people that bitch are nothing but lazy ass idiots that need to get a life other than pissing and moaning on topix land. If you spent as much time on your resumes as you do blasting shit on here you might have a great job or LIFE.
Hmm, your the one bitching and I was just trying to get you some tissues to dry your tears crybaby. Time for you to wash that sand out of your vaginal cavity oh great one..
A proud vet

United States

#80 Feb 21, 2013
bogus wrote:
I too agree that vet preference suck. I have applied for numerous fed civilian jobs and have been turned down as not the most qualified candidate and I know i have scored 99 and 100's in a lot of the applications. Yet because of a vet who scored a passing mark, he/she gets the "absolute preference" and I get turned down. This has nothing to do with appreciation for their service to this country and it's well noted but when it comes to best

qualified, giving the five and ten is just a unfair

advantage. It is flat out discrimination. Vets

should earn their job just like everyone else. This
thread has tons of vets saying how well they
qualify..well, that should not be a problem for
them if we level the playing field and remove
their points, right?
Your a f****** idiot!!!! The reason gov. Agency's have vet preference and they hire vets is because we have earned it. And we have already proved that capable of handling the job. When they hire vets they know what their getting. When the hire non-vets who knows may be great or maybe worthless. They take the safe bet. Because we been there and done that in far worse situations than you could imagine idiot.
WTF

Princeton, WV

#81 Feb 22, 2013
lmao wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmm, your the one bitching and I was just trying to get you some tissues to dry your tears crybaby. Time for you to wash that sand out of your vaginal cavity oh great one..
ROFLMFAO you are such a sad soul. Trust me I am just another hard working human. Cretins like you is why stupid topix like this is started. Go to college or join military and get an education. If you are not getting a job then ask for help on your paperwork. Help is out there.

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