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#82
Feb 16, 2013
 
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I'm not sure what records, you're referring to but these are pretty clear and last time I checked 216,369 in fines/fees is more than 152,517. Maybe we're talking about two different reports.
http://www.comptroller.tn.gov/Repository/MA/F...
Page 18 of the audit clearly shows the following:
Proposed Budget for Property Taxes is 143,126 and the actual amount collected was 152,517
Proposed Budget for Fines/Fees is 184,500 and the actual amount collected is 216,369.
So in Cornersville's budget they have a column called proposed Budget for Fines/Fees. That in itself is a total disgrace and truly shows the purpose of the city police on the interstate. It is to raise revenue for Cornersville and nothing else. I know that Chapel Hill, Lewisburg, and Marshall County government does not have any type of column in their purpose budgets for something as outlandish as a PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FINES/FEE. Shame on Cornersville!
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#83
Feb 16, 2013
 
Grandparent wrote:
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I'm not sure what records, you're referring to but these are pretty clear and last time I checked 216,369 in fines/fees is more than 152,517. Maybe we're talking about two different reports.
http://www.comptroller.tn.gov/Repository/MA/F...
Page 18 of the audit clearly shows the following:
Proposed Budget for Property Taxes is 143,126 and the actual amount collected was 152,517
Proposed Budget for Fines/Fees is 184,500 and the actual amount collected is 216,369.
I understand where you are coming from, however much of that quote from fines and fees are court related costs such as penalties assessed for code violations, parking tickets, DNA testing, drug testing, costs of prosecuting, addition fines connected with charged crimes like assault and on and on. Very little of that amount is actually accrued from tickets written on the Interstate.
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try to stay current GP wrote:
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I understand where you are coming from, however much of that quote from fines and fees are court related costs such as penalties assessed for code violations, parking tickets, DNA testing, drug testing, costs of prosecuting, addition fines connected with charged crimes like assault and on and on. Very little of that amount is actually accrued from tickets written on the Interstate.
You may sell that garbage to the newspaper, but keep it off here. There is such a small amount of that other stuff compared to the shakedown ring on I65 I'd bet it's less that one percent from anything other that I 65 shakedowns.. You evidently work there and are justifying the extortion and it dont fly with me. They are raking it in as fast as they can and it needs to STOP! btw forgot barking dog fines. GEEEES!
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Feb 16, 2013
 
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You may sell that garbage to the newspaper, but keep it off here. There is such a small amount of that other stuff compared to the shakedown ring on I65 I'd bet it's less that one percent from anything other that I 65 shakedowns.. You evidently work there and are justifying the extortion and it dont fly with me. They are raking it in as fast as they can and it needs to STOP! btw forgot barking dog fines. GEEEES!
Let's start with you saying, "I'd bet" which is an admittance you don't know, or have any facts. If you look at ANY city revenue or Google 'fines and fees' you will discover it covers a lot of things other than speeding tickets.

Let's move on to your statement: "They are raking it in as fast as they can and it needs to STOP!" THEY are no longer raking anything in so far as speeding tickets on the Interstate is concerned as they are no longer allowed on it, except in a small one mile patch that sees a lot less speeders due to the area and distance from the active city itself.

It is painfully obvious from your lack of facts and knowledge you are only blowing smoke. Breath deeper.
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#86
Feb 16, 2013
 
try to stay current GP wrote:
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I understand where you are coming from, however much of that quote from fines and fees are court related costs such as penalties assessed for code violations, parking tickets, DNA testing, drug testing, costs of prosecuting, addition fines connected with charged crimes like assault and on and on. Very little of that amount is actually accrued from tickets written on the Interstate.
Actually the figures I gave are for Revenue, not Expenses in the audit. Some of the items you mention might be sources of revenue but others are clearly expenses and thus would not be included in Revenue.

Costs of prosecuting, DNA testing and drug testing expenses would not be included as a source of revenue.

That leaves traffic violations, parking tickets (really? wonder how much that brings in?), and fines for additional crimes. There's no doubt in my mind that traffic violations brought in the majority of that 216,000 from fines/fees.

But as you've said and as I realized, with the changes in jurisdiction, there will no longer be revenue coming from the interstate other than that 1 mile over which they still retain the right to patrol/shoot radar. Don't you wonder how they will make up the loss of revenue, considering they overspent their 2012 budget by approx 50,000+?
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#87
Feb 16, 2013
 
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Actually the figures I gave are for Revenue, not Expenses in the audit. Some of the items you mention might be sources of revenue but others are clearly expenses and thus would not be included in Revenue.
Costs of prosecuting, DNA testing and drug testing expenses would not be included as a source of revenue.
That leaves traffic violations, parking tickets (really? wonder how much that brings in?), and fines for additional crimes. There's no doubt in my mind that traffic violations brought in the majority of that 216,000 from fines/fees.
But as you've said and as I realized, with the changes in jurisdiction, there will no longer be revenue coming from the interstate other than that 1 mile over which they still retain the right to patrol/shoot radar. Don't you wonder how they will make up the loss of revenue, considering they overspent their 2012 budget by approx 50,000+?
Yes, that is true, in my haste I did include what would be expenses. Good call. Still, the fines and fees do include a lot of other collections other than tickets written on the Interstate. I did my best to research that, but no one really breaks down 'fines and fees' other than to say it is court incurred. Now that that action on the interstate has been curtailed, as you say, it will be interesting to see what effects it has on the revenue.
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#88
Feb 16, 2013
 
It has not been curtailed. I have a scanner and they are still exercising a quota system. Each shift goes downt there for a prescribed number and time. They are only restricted in a geographical sense. The volume of tickets issued is uninterrupted. In fact, it's likely the volume will increase when they are forced to give back some of the other money collected outside their jurisdiction down there.

Sad, but the citizens of Cornersville haved asked for and they have gotten it. Chapel Hill is thriving and Cornersville is latching on to the scraps they find laying around the table on I65. All that money is going into the pockets of a few. The city provides nothing but a court system. The poor ignorant victims are the ones living there and don't do anything about it. That's who is to blame.
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#89
Feb 16, 2013
 
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It has not been curtailed. I have a scanner and they are still exercising a quota system. Each shift goes downt there for a prescribed number and time. They are only restricted in a geographical sense. The volume of tickets issued is uninterrupted. In fact, it's likely the volume will increase when they are forced to give back some of the other money collected outside their jurisdiction down there.
Sad, but the citizens of Cornersville haved asked for and they have gotten it. Chapel Hill is thriving and Cornersville is latching on to the scraps they find laying around the table on I65. All that money is going into the pockets of a few. The city provides nothing but a court system. The poor ignorant victims are the ones living there and don't do anything about it. That's who is to blame.
Are you saying you have seen the Cornersville police on the Interstate with radar other than on that one mile stretch at Exit 27? Have you seen them at the rest stop with radar in the last couple of weeks?
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#90
Feb 16, 2013
 
Wow wrote:
It has not been curtailed. I have a scanner and they are still exercising a quota system. Each shift goes downt there for a prescribed number and time. They are only restricted in a geographical sense. The volume of tickets issued is uninterrupted. In fact, it's likely the volume will increase when they are forced to give back some of the other money collected outside their jurisdiction down there.
Sad, but the citizens of Cornersville haved asked for and they have gotten it. Chapel Hill is thriving and Cornersville is latching on to the scraps they find laying around the table on I65. All that money is going into the pockets of a few. The city provides nothing but a court system. The poor ignorant victims are the ones living there and don't do anything about it. That's who is to blame.
Why do you even come through Cornersville? The people who live here do not want you here.Go Around!
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Feb 16, 2013
 
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Are you saying you have seen the Cornersville police on the Interstate with radar other than on that one mile stretch at Exit 27? Have you seen them at the rest stop with radar in the last couple of weeks?
I come thru there on a regular basis and have not seen them on the interstate at all in a couple of weeks.

I have no doubt they will regularly patrol and write tickets for the least violation allowable in the areas within their jurisdiction. They've got to pay their salaries.
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#92
Feb 16, 2013
 
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I come thru there on a regular basis and have not seen them on the interstate at all in a couple of weeks.
I have no doubt they will regularly patrol and write tickets for the least violation allowable in the areas within their jurisdiction. They've got to pay their salaries.
That is fine by me. I obey the speed limits and never have problem coming down 31A. Keep your vehicles road legal and do the speed limit and laugh when you pass through.
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Feb 16, 2013
 
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That is fine by me. I obey the speed limits and never have problem coming down 31A. Keep your vehicles road legal and do the speed limit and laugh when you pass through.
I won't say I obey speed limits, but I guess I'm close enough that they don't bother with me.
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Columbia, TN

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#94
Feb 16, 2013
 
Do any read the audit report at bottom page 44 the Material Weakness are as follows.
"Separation of duties"?

Would from reading the auditors comments and managment responce? Would any Mayor and town aldermen not think maybe they got to many police running radar miles from city hall, that should those extra police be watching to see if there are any more crooks cooking the books at city hall?

Was the Cornersville police also running lots of radar on I-65 years ago, while that other Cornersville City manager who went to jail, was caught cooking the books, did it take a State outside investigation to catch him?
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Feb 17, 2013
 
Whats Cooking wrote:
Do any read the audit report at bottom page 44 the Material Weakness are as follows.
"Separation of duties"?
Would from reading the auditors comments and managment responce? Would any Mayor and town aldermen not think maybe they got to many police running radar miles from city hall, that should those extra police be watching to see if there are any more crooks cooking the books at city hall?
Was the Cornersville police also running lots of radar on I-65 years ago, while that other Cornersville City manager who went to jail, was caught cooking the books, did it take a State outside investigation to catch him?
Are you a complete and utter moron who couldn't compose a competent sentence if your life depended upon it?
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#96
Feb 17, 2013
 
Does separation of duties in any audit report mean that just a few people have too much power with the possibility of mistakes not getting caught till it may cost more to catch or fix those so called mistakes?

Such as allowing or using the police to operate radar on I-65 rest area that some say was outside Connersville’s police jurisdiction?

Could that mean that the city Mayor and Aldermen need to hire more honest people at city hall?
To make sure those kind of mistakes don't occure on purpose?
Could they maybe make those audit reports in more detail like tell how much revenue comes from I-65 radar and how much from parking tickets?

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#97
Feb 17, 2013
 
Fox Robbing the Chickens wrote:
Does separation of duties in any audit report mean that just a few people have too much power with the possibility of mistakes not getting caught till it may cost more to catch or fix those so called mistakes?
Such as allowing or using the police to operate radar on I-65 rest area that some say was outside Connersville’s police jurisdiction?
Could that mean that the city Mayor and Aldermen need to hire more honest people at city hall?
To make sure those kind of mistakes don't occure on purpose?
Could they maybe make those audit reports in more detail like tell how much revenue comes from I-65 radar and how much from parking tickets?
You said it! "Some say" The four or five people who get on here and write negative things about our great community. Cornersville is a great and safe place to live. The police force work hard to keep the roads and neighborhoods safe.
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#98
Feb 17, 2013
 
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<quoted text>You said it! "Some say" The four or five people who get on here and write negative things about our great community. Cornersville is a great and safe place to live. The police force work hard to keep the roads and neighborhoods safe.
Could they work a little harder to not endanger the public or themselves by driving the wrong direction north bound, out of that south bound rest area into on coming 70 miles per hour I-65 south bound traffic?

Could they read their city audit report and help check and double check those at city hall, just to make sure that town don't have another crooked city manager, the fire hall to burn or the bank to get rob, like in past years did that happened?

Are the police only suppost to catch the crooks, they are told too or protect the citizens they are hired to protect and serve?
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#99
Feb 17, 2013
 
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<quoted text>You said it! "Some say" The four or five people who get on here and write negative things about our great community. Cornersville is a great and safe place to live. The police force work hard to keep the roads and neighborhoods safe.
How great can any town be that does half the people who work for any town, live outside that towns city limits, don't pay local property taxes or raise their families there?

What makes any town look good?
Few police, who walk the streets, any town with little to know crime?
Small Town USA Andy Griffin's, Mayberry!
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Nashville, TN

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#100
Feb 17, 2013
 
the only concern anyone should have is
: who is watching the town when the police are 10 miles away?
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#101
Feb 17, 2013
 
Oh yea I forgot! We have the highest crime rate in the state. If you do not like it why are you here? 90% of this community like the way it is run. How many people go and complain at the city hall meetings? How many citizens live here? If it was as bad as what you guys say we would have to build a larger city hall for everyone to fit in. Then we would have to write more tickets. LOL! Oh by the way what has lawyer Dalton found?

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