like to know

Lewisburg, TN

#61 Mar 27, 2013
There is no reason to have secret anything. Secrets lead to what we have today on the forum. If it was worth bragging about or sharing the the world you would of heard it by now.

Do they maybe use the so-called secrets as a tool to recruit new members? Having in your possession what the public thinks is a huge secret is power to some weak minded people.

I can hear them now...."Oh I have a secret and they thought so highly of me they told me and trusted me to keep it and it is so powerful if I told you....."

I am sure what the lower level manual labor folks are doing is great for some cause...I just have not yet figured it out...maybe to pay the higher ranking individuals for their time and efforts or organizational properties. Maybe someone who knows can share it with us.

I seen where they have a fund that helps bury other masons and a coat donation program which local groups also do yearly and is very little cost or effort of the organization.

I would really like to know the purpose and if asking questions would make one a troublemaker as said by the 32nd degree person that alone is troublesome.
understand

Pamplico, SC

#62 Mar 27, 2013
like to know wrote:
There is no reason to have secret anything. Secrets lead to what we have today on the forum. If it was worth bragging about or sharing the the world you would of heard it by now.
Do they maybe use the so-called secrets as a tool to recruit new members? Having in your possession what the public thinks is a huge secret is power to some weak minded people.
I can hear them now...."Oh I have a secret and they thought so highly of me they told me and trusted me to keep it and it is so powerful if I told you....."
I am sure what the lower level manual labor folks are doing is great for some cause...I just have not yet figured it out...maybe to pay the higher ranking individuals for their time and efforts or organizational properties. Maybe someone who knows can share it with us.
I seen where they have a fund that helps bury other masons and a coat donation program which local groups also do yearly and is very little cost or effort of the organization.
I would really like to know the purpose and if asking questions would make one a troublemaker as said by the 32nd degree person that alone is troublesome.
I can not tell you in a few minutes on this web site the information I believe you need to know to change your mind about the Masons. First, the Masons are the oldest and largest fraternal organization in the world. They build King Solomon's temple and most of the beautiful churches in Europe. Second, The Knight's Templar's were Masons who were responsible for trying to take the Holy Lands back from the Arabs. Third, because of the wealth of the Knight's the CATHOLIC CHURCH considered them a threat like the protestant movement that swept through Europe during the middle ages. King Phillip of France under the authority of the Pope killed and imprisoned many but some escaped to Scotland and later York, England. Fourth, You keep mentioning 32nd degree, well that is just in the Scottish Rites which is in all countries throughout the world and all religions but I am a member of the York Rites which the highest order is 18th and that order is the Commandry of the Knight's Templar which are the poor soldier of Christ. The York Rites is the only branch of the Masons that YOU HAVE TO BE A CHRISTIAN to join. It is made up of the Chapter orders, Council Orders, and the Commandry orders. It ties are directly to the Knight's Templar of the Great Crusades. Most of us in the York Rites are true and valuable members of our blue lodge and all this non-sense about us being demonic or anything else outside of Christians is just pure junk. Any man can join if he is true of heart and does not have a criminal background. We require members to do memory work to advance to the higher levels of Fellowcraft and Master Mason. You must prove you work to advance. We pray all the time and it is always to Jesus Christ here in Lewisburg and all oaths are taken on the Holy Bible. During our St. Johns Festivals were have ministers from the local churches here in Lewisburg to speak. Fifth, George Washington, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Ben Franklin, James K. Polk, Andrew Jackson, James Madison, Franklin Roosevelt, Davy Crockett, Harry Truman, John Wayne, Will Rogers and many many more were and are Master Masons. Sixth, many of the lawyers, doctors, police, judges, teachers, firemen, and businessmen here in Lewisburg are Master Mason - all good and godly men. Last but not least, in a few weeks, I think its April 30th, the Dillahunty Lodge #112 in Lewisburg will be having a fish fry to raise money to buy toys for poor and deserving children in Marshall County for Chritmas. Break down and buy a ten dollar ticket, come to the lodge and eat, look around our lodge room, talk to the Masons there and they will help clean up some of your many heretic questions. We also have pamphlets that you can take home with you that will also answer your questions. The blood oaths are just symbolic and are not to be take literally.
Hmmm bologna

Lewisburg, TN

#63 Mar 27, 2013
understand wrote:
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I can not tell you in a few minutes on this web site the information I believe you need to know to change your mind about the Masons. First, the Masons are the oldest and largest fraternal organization in the world. They build King Solomon's temple and most of the beautiful churches in Europe....
Are you for real?? What sort of bull are you attempting here? Let's start with Solomon's temple, the first JEWISH temple, built by the Jews under the direction of Solomon, one of the 48 Jewish prophets. It is said to be dated to the 10th century BC. That's 1000 years before Christ and was destroyed in 586 BC. It is said that when the Knight's had their headquarters in Jerusalem (hundreds of years AFTER the last Jewish Temple was destroyed, by the Romans, in 70AD), where the original Jewish temples once stood, they called their headquarters the "Temple of Solomon". It was NOT the temple the Jews built to God. It was NOT Solomon's Temple.

The origins and early development of Freemasonry are a matter of some debate and conjecture. A poem known as the "Regius Manuscript" has been dated to approximately 1390 and is the oldest known Masonic text. But that does not change how they have perverted Christianity with their anti-Christian rituals. For you to claim the blood oaths are just symbolic and are not to be take literally is a testament to your lack of seriousness of God and Christianity (let alone your own organization!). You flippantly excuse something I don't think you would dare do in the presence of Jesus, knowing he spoke out against it. Btw, Jesus IS present in Spirit, so good luck with that.

And as I pointed out, just being an organization that does charity work does not make it godly work. In fact, there are terroist organizations that do charity. Does that make them godly too? It doesn't matter what famous people have been a part of any organization, it doesn't make the organization. It should be the other way around anyway. Some of those in that list have had their issues as well. Why do you think Jesus said there will be many who will say, Lord, Lord, and he will be turning them away? Just claiming to be a Christian doesn't make you a Christian.

Likewise, this idea or link between the ORIGINAL Knight's Templar's and Masons is pure conjecture. The earliest documented link between Freemasonry and the Crusades is the 1737 oration of the Chevalier Ramsay. And what a horrible shame to even want to be associated with such a horrible time in Christian history. Another source sites the Knights Templar were a Christian military order founded in the early 12th century. According to Wikipedia, the REAL Knight's Templar only existed from 11191312. What exists today is NOT of the same origin despite what they may tell you. Do some research.

Thanks for providing more proof of how they lie and hoodwink it's own members and how it's members defend doing evil works against God and Heaven.
Lewis Burger

Lewisburg, TN

#64 Mar 29, 2013
Ur not too smart r u wrote:
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Oh please back that statement up with something. Otherwise, you just sound stupid. If you understood Judaism, you would understand Messiah prophecy. But please bestow your wonderful wisdom on us and explain yourself. I can hardly wait!!
Christianity is a mix of Judaic and Germanic religions. The entire cruci-fiction was taken from older an older Germanic god, though the older god did it with more class and style.

Orthodox Judaism doesn't believe in Jesus as the "Messiah", he was just a man to them and people that follow him are not going to their heaven.

All religions change (or pervert) over time, the closest to their roots are the orthodox jews and muslims. At least they believe enough to follow the religion of Abraham and not have to change it to make it easier to follow like christianity has.
understand

Pamplico, SC

#65 Mar 29, 2013
Hmmm bologna wrote:
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Are you for real?? What sort of bull are you attempting here? Let's start with Solomon's temple, the first JEWISH temple, built by the Jews under the direction of Solomon, one of the 48 Jewish prophets. It is said to be dated to the 10th century BC. That's 1000 years before Christ and was destroyed in 586 BC. It is said that when the Knight's had their headquarters in Jerusalem (hundreds of years AFTER the last Jewish Temple was destroyed, by the Romans, in 70AD), where the original Jewish temples once stood, they called their headquarters the "Temple of Solomon". It was NOT the temple the Jews built to God. It was NOT Solomon's Temple.
The origins and early development of Freemasonry are a matter of some debate and conjecture. A poem known as the "Regius Manuscript" has been dated to approximately 1390 and is the oldest known Masonic text. But that does not change how they have perverted Christianity with their anti-Christian rituals. For you to claim the blood oaths are just symbolic and are not to be take literally is a testament to your lack of seriousness of God and Christianity (let alone your own organization!). You flippantly excuse something I don't think you would dare do in the presence of Jesus, knowing he spoke out against it. Btw, Jesus IS present in Spirit, so good luck with that.
And as I pointed out, just being an organization that does charity work does not make it godly work. In fact, there are terroist organizations that do charity. Does that make them godly too? It doesn't matter what famous people have been a part of any organization, it doesn't make the organization. It should be the other way around anyway. Some of those in that list have had their issues as well. Why do you think Jesus said there will be many who will say, Lord, Lord, and he will be turning them away? Just claiming to be a Christian doesn't make you a Christian.
Likewise, this idea or link between the ORIGINAL Knight's Templar's and Masons is pure conjecture. The earliest documented link between Freemasonry and the Crusades is the 1737 oration of the Chevalier Ramsay. And what a horrible shame to even want to be associated with such a horrible time in Christian history. Another source sites the Knights Templar were a Christian military order founded in the early 12th century. According to Wikipedia, the REAL Knight's Templar only existed from 11191312. What exists today is NOT of the same origin despite what they may tell you. Do some research.
Thanks for providing more proof of how they lie and hoodwink it's own members and how it's members defend doing evil works against God and Heaven.
You sir are just looking for a fight and an argument. Will not write again because you don't want the truth but to twist it. The Jews that built the temple were Masons. Some were apprentices, others fellowcraft, and finally Masters. You are correct that they were not Christians because it was before the time of Christ but they were Masons never the less. The beginning of the middle ages Christian Masons mainly Catholics in religion built the famed massive churches still found in Europe such as Notre Dame in Paris. Most of the Knight's Templar after the crusades moved and lived in France. They were among the riches people on earth and the King of France wanted there wealth and with the Pope's consent went after them and got most of them. Some escaped to Scotland(hence Scottish rites) and later others to York, England(York Rites) which the Templar's of today take their heritage. Don't be an idiot, of course we don't fight but are and must be devote Christians to join the York Rites. Look it up since you do that on a regular basis. As I told you the other day, I can't explain everything here but come to our lodge, pick up a pamphlet or two, talk to the older Masons that know more than myself. There are thing I and we can't tell you unless you decide to join(or secrets as you say). May God bless & keep.
Open eyes

Lewisburg, TN

#66 Mar 29, 2013
Lewis Burger wrote:
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Christianity is a mix of Judaic and Germanic religions. The entire cruci-fiction was taken from older an older Germanic god, though the older god did it with more class and style.
Orthodox Judaism doesn't believe in Jesus as the "Messiah", he was just a man to them and people that follow him are not going to their heaven.
All religions change (or pervert) over time, the closest to their roots are the orthodox jews and muslims. At least they believe enough to follow the religion of Abraham and not have to change it to make it easier to follow like christianity has.
First, you are off topix, this is not a discussion of religions and or their existence. Second, if the Christian religion did not exist or is fake, then all the more does it stand to say both Freemasons AND Knights Templar are living a lie.(According to you).

Wow... my fiction is bigger than your fiction. Great come back. Crucifixion was used among the Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD. In the year 337, Emperor Constantine I abolished it in the Roman Empire out of veneration for Jesus Christ, the most famous victim of crucifixion. I suppose Constantine made it all up as well. Keep the ruse going!! Then we have the 1st century Christian churches (unearthed in Israel archeology) that tens of thousands attended, with beautiful mosaics dedicated to Jesus. So we have thousands and thousands of people within 100 years of Christ, worshiping him. But he didn't really exist? Do you believe Prohibition existed? Do you believe Theodore Roosevelt was real? When people know something that is only 100 years old, that is fresh history.

Orthodox Judaism doesn't believe in Jesus as the "Messiah" because if they did, they would no longer be Orthodox Judaism. Not accepting something does not prove it does not exist. Very weak argument.

Muslims did not get their start until around 647AD. They make claims that have been proven false, such as the existence of the Jewish Temples. Their holy book says the opposite of the NT concerning Jesus' crucifixion. So one, they lied. Two, they claim that Jesus existed and was a holy man. Those alone blow your Muslim authority statements out of the water! And Muslims do NOT follow the religion of Abraham, only the Jews do. They call their god Allah and Mohammad his messenger and say there is no other god but theirs. In other words, they don't accept the God of Judaism, the same God Christians worship.

Take your rejection and lack resources and lack of knowledge somewhere else where they care, because you've done nothing to back your statements up.
Hmmmm

Lewisburg, TN

#67 Mar 29, 2013
understand wrote:
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You sir are just looking for a fight and an argument. Will not write again because you don't want the truth but to twist it. The Jews that built the temple were Masons. Some were apprentices, others fellowcraft, and finally Masters. You are correct that they were not Christians because it was before the time of Christ but they were Masons never the less. The beginning of the middle ages Christian Masons mainly Catholics in religion built the famed massive churches still found in Europe such as Notre Dame in Paris. Most of the Knight's Templar after the crusades moved and lived in France. They were among the riches people on earth and the King of France wanted there wealth and with the Pope's consent went after them and got most of them. Some escaped to Scotland(hence Scottish rites) and later others to York, England(York Rites) which the Templar's of today take their heritage. Don't be an idiot, of course we don't fight but are and must be devote Christians to join the York Rites. Look it up since you do that on a regular basis. As I told you the other day, I can't explain everything here but come to our lodge, pick up a pamphlet or two, talk to the older Masons that know more than myself. There are thing I and we can't tell you unless you decide to join(or secrets as you say). May God bless & keep.
I am not looking for a fight and you don't know how to argue (called debating in this sense). I twist the truth? Your only truth has been pamphlets and whatever your group has told you. That is not truth, or at the least it is only THEIR truth. You want to believe that Masons existed 1000 years before Christ, go for it. I showed you a resource that says that is not true. You've not provided ANY resources to back that up. Go research it and come up with one reliable resource, other than Masonic reference, that says Masons built the Solomon's Temple in 832 BCE.(Remember, there is a difference between the Knight's of Templar's headquarters they built during the Crusades named "Temple of Solomon" and the Temple Solomon built 1000 years earlier.)

And again, to call yourself a Christian, yet make blood oaths or at the least, lie when you make them, makes you a hypocrite. Not only are you going against what Jesus commanded, you admit you lie about it as well. What kind of Christian example are you giving to others? Hey, we are liars and do things against Christ, but it's all in fun! I wouldn't take one step into any place that so openly defies God.

Please don't write again if you can't back up what you say. You are nothing but a parrot repeating what they tell you to say.
secrets

Lawrenceburg, TN

#68 Mar 29, 2013
Hmmmm wrote:
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I am not looking for a fight and you don't know how to argue (called debating in this sense). I twist the truth? Your only truth has been pamphlets and whatever your group has told you. That is not truth, or at the least it is only THEIR truth. You want to believe that Masons existed 1000 years before Christ, go for it. I showed you a resource that says that is not true. You've not provided ANY resources to back that up. Go research it and come up with one reliable resource, other than Masonic reference, that says Masons built the Solomon's Temple in 832 BCE.(Remember, there is a difference between the Knight's of Templar's headquarters they built during the Crusades named "Temple of Solomon" and the Temple Solomon built 1000 years earlier.)
And again, to call yourself a Christian, yet make blood oaths or at the least, lie when you make them, makes you a hypocrite. Not only are you going against what Jesus commanded, you admit you lie about it as well. What kind of Christian example are you giving to others? Hey, we are liars and do things against Christ, but it's all in fun! I wouldn't take one step into any place that so openly defies God.
Please don't write again if you can't back up what you say. You are nothing but a parrot repeating what they tell you to say.
Whats up with the secrets??????
hmmmm

Lewisburg, TN

#69 Mar 29, 2013
secrets wrote:
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Whats up with the secrets??????
Why are you asking me? I have no secrets. People who have secrets have something to hide. That is like putting a light under a basket. I would never hide Jesus. But that is what Masons do because they don't even talk about Jesus. They pray to some imaginary universal god they made up. If you ask me, that is what Satan would do.
Lewis Burger

Lewisburg, TN

#70 Mar 30, 2013
Open eyes wrote:
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First, you are off topix, this is not a discussion of religions and or their existence. Second, if the Christian religion did not exist or is fake, then all the more does it stand to say both Freemasons AND Knights Templar are living a lie.(According to you).
Wow... my fiction is bigger than your fiction. Great come back. Crucifixion was used among the Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD. In the year 337, Emperor Constantine I abolished it in the Roman Empire out of veneration for Jesus Christ, the most famous victim of crucifixion. I suppose Constantine made it all up as well. Keep the ruse going!! Then we have the 1st century Christian churches (unearthed in Israel archeology) that tens of thousands attended, with beautiful mosaics dedicated to Jesus. So we have thousands and thousands of people within 100 years of Christ, worshiping him. But he didn't really exist? Do you believe Prohibition existed? Do you believe Theodore Roosevelt was real? When people know something that is only 100 years old, that is fresh history.
Orthodox Judaism doesn't believe in Jesus as the "Messiah" because if they did, they would no longer be Orthodox Judaism. Not accepting something does not prove it does not exist. Very weak argument.
Muslims did not get their start until around 647AD. They make claims that have been proven false, such as the existence of the Jewish Temples. Their holy book says the opposite of the NT concerning Jesus' crucifixion. So one, they lied. Two, they claim that Jesus existed and was a holy man. Those alone blow your Muslim authority statements out of the water! And Muslims do NOT follow the religion of Abraham, only the Jews do. They call their god Allah and Mohammad his messenger and say there is no other god but theirs. In other words, they don't accept the God of Judaism, the same God Christians worship.
Take your rejection and lack resources and lack of knowledge somewhere else where they care, because you've done nothing to back your statements up.
Really? This topic post seems to be one persons crusade against Freemasonry and its existence as a religion. I never said these religions were fake, they are obviously real. Christianity, Mormonism, Scientology, Freemasonry, Islam, Jehovahs Witnesses are all "real" religions.

The person i replied to says Freemasonry is a perversion of Christianity because it is not THEIR version on Christianity. Which is hilarious because Christianity is a perversion of Judaic and Germanic religions (around thousands of years before Christianity) by their logic.

Christianity "borrowed" heavily from the Germanic religions to make it more appealing to the peoples, from which came the crucifiction, christmas, easter, even the names of the days of our week.

Orthodox Judaism says that Jesus was real but not the Messiah and did not die and come back to life but lived on and died of old age, Christianity adds the in Resurrection and Godliness to the original script.

There are still many questions of if, when, and why Constantine ended crucifiction as there are still reports of it during and after his reign, even in modern times. Many believe he may have replaced crucifiction with hanging because crucifiction is a pretty disgusting way to die, like stoning.
understand

Pamplico, SC

#71 Mar 30, 2013
Lewis Burger wrote:
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Really? This topic post seems to be one persons crusade against Freemasonry and its existence as a religion. I never said these religions were fake, they are obviously real. Christianity, Mormonism, Scientology, Freemasonry, Islam, Jehovahs Witnesses are all "real" religions.
The person i replied to says Freemasonry is a perversion of Christianity because it is not THEIR version on Christianity. Which is hilarious because Christianity is a perversion of Judaic and Germanic religions (around thousands of years before Christianity) by their logic.
Christianity "borrowed" heavily from the Germanic religions to make it more appealing to the peoples, from which came the crucifiction, christmas, easter, even the names of the days of our week.
Orthodox Judaism says that Jesus was real but not the Messiah and did not die and come back to life but lived on and died of old age, Christianity adds the in Resurrection and Godliness to the original script.
There are still many questions of if, when, and why Constantine ended crucifiction as there are still reports of it during and after his reign, even in modern times. Many believe he may have replaced crucifiction with hanging because crucifiction is a pretty disgusting way to die, like stoning.
I agree with most of what you say but not all. Hmmmm has an agenda against the Mason. Said I was not going to write on here again but agree with most of your post. I don't care want Hmmmm says or writes the York Rites of Masons are the Christian branch of all degrees of Masonry. We do pray to Jesus Christ and our so called "blood oaths" are just symbolic and are not to be taken literally. During our Saint Johns Festivals we DO HAVE PREACHERS from Lewisburg to come to our lodge and eat with us and have a service for us. Over time this has included almost every protestant religious group except the Church of Christ and the Catholic Church. The invite still stand for anyone who wishes to come to the fish fry on April 20th in Lewisburg. Come eat, look around the lodge, ask questions, pick up some pamphlets and see for yourself and make up your own mind. Hmmm I know you google stuff to get what answers you need to forward your agenda against the Masons, why don't you google the York Rites of the Commandry(knight's templar), chapter, council orders and see for yourself who we pray to if you believe everything that is on the internet. There is not one single member of any lodge I have been to in Middle Tennessee and I have been to many, that everyone in the blue lodge was not a member of a Christian Church including the Catholic and Church of Christ. Google famous Masons and you will probably be shocked Hmmmm who are and have been Masons. Enough said.
lucy

Topton, NC

#72 Mar 30, 2013
Sounds like a Baptist conspiracy to spread rumors about something that they cannot get control or influence over? Why is it in Tn. we have such illiterate and dumb people who buy into all the rhetoric and cannot think as individuals that follow a lay person who does not or wish to comprehend reality? It is the same bunch who want dry towns ,no "evil" or their view of perceived evil? Every Mason I have known or did business with has never tried to make me join or cheat me. Wonder if the Moose Lodge or the Eagles are next to be "focused" upon, might even be the Rotary Club is evil? People, think with what God gave you.
Open eyes

Lewisburg, TN

#73 Mar 30, 2013
Lewis Burger wrote:
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Really? This topic post seems to be one persons crusade against Freemasonry and its existence as a religion. I never said these religions were fake, they are obviously real. Christianity, Mormonism, Scientology, Freemasonry, Islam, Jehovahs Witnesses are all "real" religions.
The person i replied to says Freemasonry is a perversion of Christianity because it is not THEIR version on Christianity. Which is hilarious because Christianity is a perversion of Judaic and Germanic religions (around thousands of years before Christianity) by their logic.
Christianity "borrowed" heavily from the Germanic religions to make it more appealing to the peoples, from which came the crucifiction, christmas, easter, even the names of the days of our week.
Orthodox Judaism says that Jesus was real but not the Messiah and did not die and come back to life but lived on and died of old age, Christianity adds the in Resurrection and Godliness to the original script.
There are still many questions of if, when, and why Constantine ended crucifiction as there are still reports of it during and after his reign, even in modern times. Many believe he may have replaced crucifiction with hanging because crucifiction is a pretty disgusting way to die, like stoning.
This topic post seems to be one persons crusade against Freemasonry? And Jesus was one person against an entire religion, what's your point? You may choose to believe what other men tell you about the world's religions, whether real or imaginary, but the argument here is not about that. It is about a group/organization that brags about it's connection and belief to ONE particular religion called Christianity. It is a discussion of how that one group lies and performs rituals that are against that religion's deity. If you are neither a Christian or Freemason, you don't even have a dog in this race. As well, from a "Christian" point of view, those other religions you listed are NOT real. But again, I am not here to discuss that, it is irrelevant to the topic. It also is not about what YOU believe about other religions or whether or not Christianity is a made up religion based on other older societies. It is about what Freemasons do against the one religion they claim to espouse. What part of that don't you get?

You complain that the person you "replied to says Freemasonry is a perversion of Christianity because it is not THEIR version on Christianity". No, that is NOT true at all. There is NO version of Christianity where any of those things they do are okay. To threaten murder, to make their vows, or to pretend their vows are not taken seriously, to vow to keep another persons crimes a secret, even treason and murder (at their discretion) and so much more, NONE of that is okay by ANY form of Christianity.
Hmmm

Lewisburg, TN

#74 Mar 30, 2013
understand wrote:
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I agree with most of what you say but not all. Hmmmm has an agenda against the Mason. Said I was not going to write on here again but agree with most of your post. I don't care want Hmmmm says or writes the York Rites of Masons are the Christian branch of all degrees of Masonry. We do pray to Jesus Christ and our so called "blood oaths" are just symbolic and are not to be taken literally. During our Saint Johns Festivals we DO HAVE PREACHERS from Lewisburg to come to our lodge and eat with us and have a service for us. Over time this has included almost every protestant religious group except the Church of Christ and the Catholic Church. The invite still stand for anyone who wishes to come to the fish fry on April 20th in Lewisburg. Come eat, look around the lodge, ask questions, pick up some pamphlets and see for yourself and make up your own mind. Hmmm I know you google stuff to get what answers you need to forward your agenda against the Masons, why don't you google the York Rites of the Commandry(knight's templar), chapter, council orders and see for yourself who we pray to if you believe everything that is on the internet. There is not one single member of any lodge I have been to in Middle Tennessee and I have been to many, that everyone in the blue lodge was not a member of a Christian Church including the Catholic and Church of Christ. Google famous Masons and you will probably be shocked Hmmmm who are and have been Masons. Enough said.
Yes, as a Christian I do have an agenda against the Mason. Just because you pray to Jesus does not mean he is listening to your prayers. I bet you don't realize that the bible, the book you claim as yours, is very clear that there is a veil between mankind and God and unless the veil is removed, God will not listen a sinners prayer. We, being the sinner. So many take for granted that we just have some sort of open communication line with God. If this were true, why would the bible say different? It says, "...your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. For your hands are stained with blood, your fingers with guilt. Your lips have spoken falsely, and your tongue mutters wicked things." As a Christian there is only one way to fix that. So, just saying you pray means nothing if you are not doing it correctly. To claim, "our so called "blood oaths" are just symbolic and are not to be taken literally", is another way to say, your lips have spoken falsely and your tongue mutters wicked things. Why is this so hard to understand?

You claim to have PREACHERS come to your lodge and have a service. Yippy-doodles. Is this suppose to get God's approval or man's? Those preachers may not even be saved for all you know. A preacher goes into a strip club, so what, now that strip club is blessed? You have strange ways of equating godly things with earthly things. So far as contacting any chapter or lodge, why would I bother counseling Satan, or the devil's den? On here, I at least have the opportunity to bring the falseness of your group into the light where hopefully others will see it for what it truly is and think twice before jumping into it.

All this I say, does not make YOU evil, it only brings to light your ignorance of your own religion. All you have done is defend making false vows, and promising to lie, by claiming it's all an act and in the same breath claim every connection to the groups past. Many Masons in the past have lied and hidden crimes including murder. At what point did the Masons/Knight's Templers announce it's just a big show? Sorry, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Think before you join

Morganton, NC

#75 Mar 30, 2013
lucy wrote:
Sounds like a Baptist conspiracy to spread rumors about something that they cannot get control or influence over? Why is it in Tn. we have such illiterate and dumb people who buy into all the rhetoric and cannot think as individuals that follow a lay person who does not or wish to comprehend reality? It is the same bunch who want dry towns ,no "evil" or their view of perceived evil? Every Mason I have known or did business with has never tried to make me join or cheat me. Wonder if the Moose Lodge or the Eagles are next to be "focused" upon, might even be the Rotary Club is evil? People, think with what God gave you.
Oh, how wonderful. Why does it have to be about getting control instead of just someone voicing their opinion on something. It seems to me those who are most vocal against this outspoken Mason critic have the most to lose. I happen to agree with what they are saying. Just because you have done business with Masons who are nice upstanding people doesn't make the masons a good thing. There are plenty of "good charities" that have gone bad, yet many of the people involved are pretty nice people.
buz

Candler, NC

#76 Mar 31, 2013
I agree with Lucy, some of the fundamentalists rant and rave about anything that is enjoyable or outside the "church" because they want to mind control the members of their cult? When I was a kid, old time radio preachers railed against going to the movies, watching tv or wearing makeup. My Mom got sick and I remember the ladies of the "church" talked about us because we only made it to Sunday School, seems we were backsliders and hopelessly lost to the church? wth, they must have been missing the money from my Mom in the money plate? anywho about 2 years later[1980's] preachers wife ran off with a mailman and the preacher turned into a drunk. Maybe he was a Mason? Life is a bit..ch, mind your own.
Hmmm

Lewisburg, TN

#77 Mar 31, 2013
buz wrote:
I agree with Lucy, some of the fundamentalists rant and rave about anything that is enjoyable or outside the "church" because they want to mind control the members of their cult? When I was a kid, old time radio preachers railed against going to the movies, watching tv or wearing makeup. My Mom got sick and I remember the ladies of the "church" talked about us because we only made it to Sunday School, seems we were backsliders and hopelessly lost to the church? wth, they must have been missing the money from my Mom in the money plate? anywho about 2 years later[1980's] preachers wife ran off with a mailman and the preacher turned into a drunk. Maybe he was a Mason? Life is a bit..ch, mind your own.
Like some others, you are missing the point. What you say is true of many so-called Christians. But this is not about movies, tv or make up. This is not one persons ideas of moral behavior verses another. This is about an organization that claims to be a "Christian organization" and a Christian accusing them of anti-Christian behavior. It would be no different than a police officer complaining about the conduct of a Police organization as an example. If the Freemasons did not claim to be a Christian organization, there would be no complaint. They can do as any organization or charity wishes as long as it is lawful. BUT!!! What they are doing and saying concerning Christianity is wrong.

There has yet to be ONE Mason come on here and provide any sort of evidence, biblical or Christian, that proves what they are doing is approved by God. In fact, all they have done so far, including their sacred leader, Laddie Wilson, Grand Master of the great state of TN, is back peddle and claim either they are not being shown respect (not true), or that what they do is just a joke and not to be taken seriously. How dare they talk about respect when they are disrespecting an entire religion by making a mockery of it.
glad to be one

Lewisburg, TN

#78 Apr 1, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
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Yes, as a Christian I do have an agenda against the Mason. Just because you pray to Jesus does not mean he is listening to your prayers. I bet you don't realize that the bible, the book you claim as yours, is very clear that there is a veil between mankind and God and unless the veil is removed, God will not listen a sinners prayer. We, being the sinner. So many take for granted that we just have some sort of open communication line with God. If this were true, why would the bible say different? It says, "...your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. For your hands are stained with blood, your fingers with guilt. Your lips have spoken falsely, and your tongue mutters wicked things." As a Christian there is only one way to fix that. So, just saying you pray means nothing if you are not doing it correctly. To claim, "our so called "blood oaths" are just symbolic and are not to be taken literally", is another way to say, your lips have spoken falsely and your tongue mutters wicked things. Why is this so hard to understand?
You claim to have PREACHERS come to your lodge and have a service. Yippy-doodles. Is this suppose to get God's approval or man's? Those preachers may not even be saved for all you know. A preacher goes into a strip club, so what, now that strip club is blessed? You have strange ways of equating godly things with earthly things. So far as contacting any chapter or lodge, why would I bother counseling Satan, or the devil's den? On here, I at least have the opportunity to bring the falseness of your group into the light where hopefully others will see it for what it truly is and think twice before jumping into it.
All this I say, does not make YOU evil, it only brings to light your ignorance of your own religion. All you have done is defend making false vows, and promising to lie, by claiming it's all an act and in the same breath claim every connection to the groups past. Many Masons in the past have lied and hidden crimes including murder. At what point did the Masons/Knight's Templars announce it's just a big show? Sorry, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Since you brought up this issue, "what does the Bible say about judging someone or others?" Seems as if you have already judged and pronounced guilt on every Mason that has ever lived. Judge not is what the Bible says. I take it that you have never been to a Masonic Lodge, never spoke to any of the members one on one, only have read or had someone against the Masons to tell you info., and yet you are judging us. Seems as if the pot is calling the kettle black to me. As far as crimes, I do know of one case back in the early 1800's that involved Mason's covering something up in New York. Tell me are their people in the churches here in Lewisburg that have committed crimes and tried to cover them up. What about some of these Catholic Priests and boys and t.v. preachers having affairs. Can not judge any group by the actions of one or a few even though they can make a negative impression on the whole group. I am not going out on a limb by says this but there will NEVER be a man admitted to the Lewisburg "Dillahunty" Lodge that is not a professed Christian, it has always been and will always be a Christian Masonic Lodge.
wanna know

Lawrenceburg, TN

#79 Apr 1, 2013
glad to be one wrote:
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Since you brought up this issue, "what does the Bible say about judging someone or others?" Seems as if you have already judged and pronounced guilt on every Mason that has ever lived. Judge not is what the Bible says. I take it that you have never been to a Masonic Lodge, never spoke to any of the members one on one, only have read or had someone against the Masons to tell you info., and yet you are judging us. Seems as if the pot is calling the kettle black to me. As far as crimes, I do know of one case back in the early 1800's that involved Mason's covering something up in New York. Tell me are their people in the churches here in Lewisburg that have committed crimes and tried to cover them up. What about some of these Catholic Priests and boys and t.v. preachers having affairs. Can not judge any group by the actions of one or a few even though they can make a negative impression on the whole group. I am not going out on a limb by says this but there will NEVER be a man admitted to the Lewisburg "Dillahunty" Lodge that is not a professed Christian, it has always been and will always be a Christian Masonic Lodge.
All I wanted to know was: why all the secrets? They bring it on themselves. Why do they have to keep good or good doings secret?
Can you answer that?
Hmmm

Lewisburg, TN

#80 Apr 1, 2013
glad to be one wrote:
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Since you brought up this issue, "what does the Bible say about judging someone or others?" Seems as if you have already judged and pronounced guilt on every Mason that has ever lived. Judge not is what the Bible says. I take it that you have never been to a Masonic Lodge, never spoke to any of the members one on one, only have read or had someone against the Masons to tell you info., and yet you are judging us. Seems as if the pot is calling the kettle black to me. As far as crimes, I do know of one case back in the early 1800's that involved Mason's covering something up in New York. Tell me are their people in the churches here in Lewisburg that have committed crimes and tried to cover them up. What about some of these Catholic Priests and boys and t.v. preachers having affairs. Can not judge any group by the actions of one or a few even though they can make a negative impression on the whole group. I am not going out on a limb by says this but there will NEVER be a man admitted to the Lewisburg "Dillahunty" Lodge that is not a professed Christian, it has always been and will always be a Christian Masonic Lodge.
Judging in the bible has several meanings. There is correct judging and wrong judging (if you want scripture just ask, I will provide). Wrong judging is like telling someone they are going to hell because they aren't saved. That is wrong because no one knows your heart but God. Christians ARE to judge other Christians. When we see a fellow Christian sinning, we are to point that out to them (as I am), and to do so out of love. By all means, we Christians must be ever mindful of our own sins and do our best to keep that plank out of our own eye. False teaching is quite another thing. I have not been judging any particular person other than Laddie because he admitted to being a devoted Christian, but yet refuses to see the false teachings of the Freemasons.

Yes, I know Masons and yes I have talked with them. Like others, they just turn a blind eye to what they cannot defend is against God. Maybe because they are weak and don't know the bible? I am not against the good things the organizations have done for others, but all the good does not out weigh the bad.

You accuse me of being a pot calling the kettle black, how so? Is that another way of defending your wrongs by accusing me of being wrong? Please show me this. If you are talking about judging, you do not know the bible. And your examples of Priests and boys... really? Really? Two wrongs never make a right. As for Mason crimes, what is done is the darkness cannot be brought to light. What of the many people caught lying in courts? How do we know their motivation? They won't admit they did it for a Mason. And if this never happens, as you want to say, why would you promise to keep other Mason's indiscretions secret? You have, haven't you? If you wouldn't, then you lied. If you would, that would be agreeing to bear false witness. That vow is a double-sided sword. You can't have it both ways when you make a vow, which is why Jesus was against making them. Since you also admit all members of the Lewisburg "Dillahunty" Lodge are a professed Christians, then if they have taken these vows, then they also are teaching others false teachings. How do you defend doing what God has said not to? I know what the rewards are for doing righteous things, but what negative effects will be waiting for us for knowingly teaching false doctrine? Jesus was pretty clear that it would be better to have a millstone tied around our neck and tossed in the ocean if we cause another Christian to accept false teaching.

Lastly, as for other Masons, if everything was so squeaky clean, why are there so many testimonies from ex-Masons? Just Google ex-Mason testimonies. If I was by myself in this, I could understand your confusion as to why I am pushing this so-called anti-Mason agenda, but quite frankly, I am not alone.

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