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concerned citizen

United States

#1 Jun 10, 2013
I just wonder if I am the only one that feels this way. I'm sitting at the dentist office feeling uneasy because there is an inmate in orange strips in here. The officer with him is not armed and has a empty holster on him. When I asked him about this situation the officer said he is a low risk inmate and I am here to watch him. Now the inmate did have handcuffs on his hands and feet, but he is still an inmate and it just seems careless and dangerous to the public to bring inmates out into public with out an armed officer. I thought all police officers were armed? Is this Mayberry?
Me thinks

Lewisburg, TN

#2 Jun 10, 2013
concerned citizen wrote:
I just wonder if I am the only one that feels this way. I'm sitting at the dentist office feeling uneasy because there is an inmate in orange strips in here. The officer with him is not armed and has a empty holster on him. When I asked him about this situation the officer said he is a low risk inmate and I am here to watch him. Now the inmate did have handcuffs on his hands and feet, but he is still an inmate and it just seems careless and dangerous to the public to bring inmates out into public with out an armed officer. I thought all police officers were armed? Is this Mayberry?
Me thinks the dentist should be more respectful to his/her clients and not have inmates waiting in the waiting room. Bring him in through a side door and have him wait out of sight. Even low risk inmates have risks and don't always think clearly which is why they are where they are to begin with. Not to mention it may cause more anxiety for clients who have been victims of past crimes, conjuring up old emotions unfairly. I would mention all that to the dentist, not the receptionists, the next time you see them. Tell them how it effects you, too.

“De omnibus dubitandum.”

Since: Mar 08

Anywhere I hang my hat

#3 Jun 10, 2013
Seems like it would be cheaper than setting up and maintaining a dentistís office inside the county jail.

I donít think you can legally force the dentist to go to the jail to do his work.
Toothless in Seatle

Lewisburg, TN

#4 Jun 10, 2013
Agnostic and Proud wrote:
Seems like it would be cheaper than setting up and maintaining a dentistís office inside the county jail.
I donít think you can legally force the dentist to go to the jail to do his work.
No one said it should not be done at all, or that inmates don't have a right to dental help if needed. Discretion is the key. Paying clients have more rights than inmates and SHOULD! If you had been a victim of some horrible crime and seeing someone dress in orange and cuffs reminds you of that pain, and worse instills fear, what good is that? No paying costumer should be subjected to more pain and fear than what is expected at a dentist office. You may be agnostic, but that is no reason not to have morals feelings for others.

“De omnibus dubitandum.”

Since: Mar 08

Anywhere I hang my hat

#5 Jun 10, 2013
Toothless in Seatle wrote:
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No one said it should not be done at all, or that inmates don't have a right to dental help if needed.
Actually, it seems that the law says it. Donít like the law? Complaining to your elected representatives might be a more fruitful approach.
Toothless in Seatle wrote:
Discretion is the key. Paying clients have more rights than inmates and SHOULD!
Unless the dentist is working pro bono, this argument holds no water. The dentist gets paid for both sets of clients.

I canít find anything on inmate health care in the local media since 2009, but this story should give you some idea as to who you should take your issue up with:

http://www.marshalltribune.com/story/1552083....
Toothless in Seatle wrote:
If you had been a victim of some horrible crime and seeing someone dress in orange and cuffs reminds you of that pain, and worse instills fear, what good is that? No paying costumer should be subjected to more pain and fear than what is expected at a dentist office. You may be agnostic, but that is no reason not to have morals feelings for others.
I suppose one could pay to book the entire office if one is that phobic about possible interaction with other people.
human rights

United States

#6 Jun 10, 2013
Shame on all of you...an inmate is a human being just like you. If that person needs help, than they should get help. You don't know the details of their crime, or whey why they did what they did...but its okay for our tax dollars to kill inocent live born babies??? Get over it and quit pointing fingers. The differance between that person and you is they were caught doing something wrong. You are not perfect my friend and you are a pier and have no truth if you say otherwise. For all you know that person might have stolen some bread to feed his kids...its not right to steal, but you made a big deal out of nothing. There are murderers walking around in plain cloths...you just never know. Pray for people like that, and move on. Your chances of being hurt by an inmate getting a tooth pulled are less than getting struck by lighting. Your not gonna stay in when it rains, are you?
Toothless in Seatle

Lewisburg, TN

#7 Jun 10, 2013
Agnostic and Proud wrote:
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Actually, it seems that the law says it. Donít like the law? Complaining to your elected representatives might be a more fruitful approach.
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Unless the dentist is working pro bono, this argument holds no water. The dentist gets paid for both sets of clients.
I canít find anything on inmate health care in the local media since 2009, but this story should give you some idea as to who you should take your issue up with:
http://www.marshalltribune.com/story/1552083....
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I suppose one could pay to book the entire office if one is that phobic about possible interaction with other people.
The law says what? That dental costumers should be subjected to more pain and suffering than bargained for? Wrong. That any and all dentists HAVE to accept inmates? Wrong. Oh please show me this law!! I know dentists that do not accept inmates. What the law stipulates is the care for the inmate does not become cruel and unethical treatment. That means as a criminal with a tooth ache, your only recourse may be having a prison doctor yank your tooth rather than fixing it. This IS done in many prisons in the US.

Holds no water? The payment of the dentist is not part of the argument, the expectations of costumer treatment is. A dentist owning their own practice can deny anyone they wish. Unless there is some sort of discrimination of people with rights such as gays for instance, inmates DO NOT have the same rights as everyone else does.

Again, you have taken what I said out of context. My argument is that the costumer should be treated with more care by the proprieter than criminals, even if that means the dentist closes his office to normal costumers at the time which in some case it is. This is not a law, it is called business etiquette.
concerned parent

Greer, SC

#8 Jun 10, 2013
Inmates shouldn't be sitting in the Waiting room in the first place at any type of public place. I sure don't want to be waiting for a doctor with my kids and in walks an inmate. You don't know what they did to get where they are. you don't know if they are a rapist or murder or what else. So yes you will have an uneasy feeling. And yes they are human being that decided to do something against the law. If they had made the right choice then they wouldn't be where they are
Occasional runner

Lewisburg, TN

#9 Jun 10, 2013
Inmates should not be in the waiting room. They need to be brought in after/before the regular hours. Speak to the staff, tell them that you were made to feel uncomfortable.
free dental

Lewisburg, TN

#10 Jun 10, 2013
Occasional runner wrote:
Inmates should not be in the waiting room. They need to be brought in after/before the regular hours. Speak to the staff, tell them that you were made to feel uncomfortable.
I agree with all who said back door the inmate. I know time is a factor but they have nothing but time in the jail and our wardens are paid by the hour. The only problem is if the dentist is behind as always. I would schedule after work hours if possible. Must be nice to get free dental work. It better of been an emergency deal. Better yet, they should wait in the car until the dentist calls them and then back door them in the room next to the door.
concerned citizen

United States

#11 Jun 10, 2013
I was really refering to the safety issue and how uneasy I felt. Maybe its just me. I'm sure he needed dental work done and yes they are human, so I'm glad he got it done. Just would have felt better with more safety precautions is all. I don't know, maybe everyone does it like this. I was in court one day and the department of corrections brought in one prisoner and three were 2 armed guards. Maybe its a money issue.
My Son

Franklin, TN

#12 Jun 10, 2013
Everyone has the right to their opinion.....hopefully your child or loved one will never be in this position; it will tear you apart. We paid for this dental care out of our pocket...didn't cost you a dime! I'm sorry you feel uncomfortable; life isn't always fair or perfect. Circumstances may have been handled differently but we all live and learn.
wow

Lawrenceburg, TN

#13 Jun 11, 2013
you people have problems....just because he is an inmate does not automatically make him a bad person....He has the right to be in the dentist office,as the same as you do...Not all inmates are bad people...some have just made a bad mistake...
I bet someone kin to you or someone you know has been in jail for some little Bs...But that is ok..because you know them...Hell,I have seen where some inmates were able to save another's life on the streets...but because he was an inmate...he got very little praise....So do not be so hard on people you really don't know...Have a good day....
D jinkleage Morgoone

Chapel Hill, TN

#14 Jun 11, 2013
wow wrote:
you people have problems....just because he is an inmate does not automatically make him a bad person....He has the right to be in the dentist office,as the same as you do...Not all inmates are bad people...some have just made a bad mistake...
I bet someone kin to you or someone you know has been in jail for some little Bs...But that is ok..because you know them...Hell,I have seen where some inmates were able to save another's life on the streets...but because he was an inmate...he got very little praise....So do not be so hard on people you really don't know...Have a good day....
Really? Is a criminal not a bad person?
Get a grip

Brevard, NC

#15 Jun 11, 2013
wow wrote:
you people have problems....just because he is an inmate does not automatically make him a bad person....He has the right to be in the dentist office,as the same as you do...Not all inmates are bad people...some have just made a bad mistake...
I bet someone kin to you or someone you know has been in jail for some little Bs...But that is ok..because you know them...Hell,I have seen where some inmates were able to save another's life on the streets...but because he was an inmate...he got very little praise....So do not be so hard on people you really don't know...Have a good day....
You and "Human rights" need to get a grip on life. A criminal is exactly that, a criminal. Have you ever been raped or been a victim of a violent crime? how do you think those people feel? do you suppose they look at people dressed in orange with handcuffs as just some common Joe? can a customer tell the difference between a petty thief and an axe murderer or rapist? have you no compassion at all? a customer at a dentist office does not deserve to have to be put through an ordeal or be forced to have an anxiety attack all because a criminal has a toothache. criminals do not have the same rights as we do. not even after they get out. the percentage of inmates who are there either by accident or even their innocence is so small it is not worth discussing. I hope you are never raped or on the receiving end of a violent crime because of what it does to you and what it does to your mind, and what it does to the rest of your life. you both should be ashamed of yourselves and learn with compassion really is. forgiving the sinner does not always fix everything.

“De omnibus dubitandum.”

Since: Mar 08

Anywhere I hang my hat

#16 Jun 11, 2013
Get a grip wrote:
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You and "Human rights" need to get a grip on life. A criminal is exactly that, a criminal. Have you ever been raped or been a victim of a violent crime? how do you think those people feel? do you suppose they look at people dressed in orange with handcuffs as just some common Joe? can a customer tell the difference between a petty thief and an axe murderer or rapist?...
Because everyone in the Marshall County Jail is obviously a rapist / violent criminal...:smh:

Iíd wager there arenít *any* rapists in the county lockup, but the Jailtracker ( http://www.jailtracker.com/marshallcounty/mar... ) doesnít let me search on that column.

If you will go back to Post #1, you can see the deputy identified the inmate as low-risk and bound hand & foot.

Please spare us the bombastic warnings of doom.
Ahhhhh

Monroe, NC

#17 Jun 11, 2013
Inmates are that, keep away from society. Inmates get dental care when there are hard working people that can not afford it. No dental care for inmates!!!
a thought

Lawrenceburg, TN

#18 Jun 11, 2013
Agnostic and Proud wrote:
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Because everyone in the Marshall County Jail is obviously a rapist / violent criminal...:smh:
Iíd wager there arenít *any* rapists in the county lockup, but the Jailtracker ( http://www.jailtracker.com/marshallcounty/mar... ) doesnít let me search on that column.
If you will go back to Post #1, you can see the deputy identified the inmate as low-risk and bound hand & foot.
Please spare us the bombastic warnings of doom.
If you care for the prisioner you should also be concerned with their feelings. If I was in orange and working, lets say the highway, let alone sitting in a waiting room, I would want to have a bag over my head. It must be embarassing. Maybe he was just in there for child support. Bottom line, looks like nobody is thinking. I like sitting in the car and slipping in the side door when ready idea.
Let me help you

Lewisburg, TN

#19 Jun 11, 2013
Agnostic and Proud wrote:
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Because everyone in the Marshall County Jail is obviously a rapist / violent criminal...:smh:
Iíd wager there arenít *any* rapists in the county lockup, but the Jailtracker ( http://www.jailtracker.com/marshallcounty/mar... ) doesnít let me search on that column.
If you will go back to Post #1, you can see the deputy identified the inmate as low-risk and bound hand & foot.
Please spare us the bombastic warnings of doom.
All you need to do is search "rape" in the MC Tribune:
http://www.marshalltribune.com/scripts/search...

And do you think a victim of rape is sitting there thinking, "oh, it's just a MC inmate, I am sure they've never raped anyone." Seriously?

There have been quite a few rapists and murderers in the MC clink. I know of a friend who personally was involved with a rape right here in Marshall County and she goes into total freakout mode when she so much as catches in the wind that he might get out or get a new trial. So go shake your fool head at her and tell her she shouldn't worry. She'd probably kick you butt to the other side of the county for such insolence.

Have you ever heard of RTS? Rape trauma syndrome (RTS) is the psychological trauma experienced by a rape victim that includes disruptions to normal physical, emotional, cognitive, and interpersonal behavior. Just the sight of an inmate in orange can send them into a horrible state of panic. But I suppose you would just "smh" at that. Go do some research, you sound pretty ignorant of victim trauma.
look it up

United States

#20 Jun 11, 2013
I promise you there are both rapist and murderers in the Marshall county jail. They house inmates from other counties as well as for the state. They have one whole block set aside for sex offenders which does including rapes of adults and child rapists. And several in for murder.

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