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Repent

United States

#1 May 11, 2013
Look at the shameful posts on Lewisburg Topix. These are the same folks who get all dressed up for church on Sunday and gossip.

I'm a Christian and deal with these people every Sunday. Welcome to Lewisburg!
Sinner

United States

#2 May 11, 2013
I was told by a preacher that I would go to hell for my tattoos. It was a Methodist church. The Baptists aren't any better and the Church of Christ think they are better than everyone else.

Cliques in church just like High School.
Open Eyes

Lewisburg, TN

#3 May 11, 2013
Sinner wrote:
I was told by a preacher that I would go to hell for my tattoos. It was a Methodist church. The Baptists aren't any better and the Church of Christ think they are better than everyone else.
Cliques in church just like High School.
Well, since you both seem to be the same person I will address this as one post. You have no idea who the folks are on Topix or if they even go to church. If you truly are a Christian then you should know that it is not your attitude that makes you a Christian, but your relationship with Jesus Christ. Yes, a true Christian should strive to be more Christ like, but not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one or understands how to act as one. Even preachers are nothing more than humans just like everyone else. They are not super heroes with super powers and can fail and sin just as quickly as anyone else.

If any Christian, preacher or not, tells you you are going to hell for any reason, they are wrong. No one but God has the authority to make that call. Also, tats won't cause anyone to go to hell. The only chance anyone has of NOT going to heaven is by NOT being righteous to God. Being righteous means being morally right or justifiable before God. One way to do that is accepting Jesus as your Savior.

Yes, church can be like any club or society group in that people will be people and gravitate towards those who most represent who they are. Every church has a core group of true active practicing Christians, another group of true Christians who don't practice as much, another that thinks they are Christians and those who are not Christians, but are there for show. So yes, even churches will have cliques, but why are YOU there? Are you there to judge who is in a clique or there to worship God with other worshipers? What are you doing to break down those walls surrounding those cliques besides talking about them on Topix?

“De omnibus dubitandum.”

Since: Mar 08

Anywhere I hang my hat

#4 May 13, 2013
Without rendering a specific opinion on tattoos:

People create God in their own image every day. They started when they first stood upright thousands of years ago and they will be doing it as long as humanity walks the Earth. Man is a superstitious creature.

It should be no surprise that those who disapprove of something will often project that mindset onto their God.
Open Eyes

Lewisburg, TN

#5 May 13, 2013
Agnostic and Proud wrote:
Without rendering a specific opinion on tattoos:
People create God in their own image every day. They started when they first stood upright thousands of years ago and they will be doing it as long as humanity walks the Earth. Man is a superstitious creature.
It should be no surprise that those who disapprove of something will often project that mindset onto their God.
Clap...clap...clap. Nice, even though that does nothing for the truth. Your first mistake is claiming, "People create God in their own image every day." That is wrong. Christians believe that God created 'them' in 'His' image. At least get that part correct.

Humans have had misconceptions of tangible things as well. By this I mean even today with the advent of the Internet, people still falsely believe such simple things as mixing Mountain Dew with bleach will make the liquid glow like a glow stick. Humans are gullible. As for the Dew and bleach, this is very easily proven wrong by just doing it, and believe me, thousands have tried it only to discover they were hoodwinked.

There are many things we don't know and did not believe was possible until we had proof. It took a lot of doing to prove to others that the duckbill platypus existed and was not related to a duck or a beaver. Many assumed it was a hoax. Until scientists produced anti-matter, it was only assumed it existed. Until the first time they collided it with matter did they prove the collision annihilated both particles. But did it annihilate them? Or is it possible they were pushed into another dimension? We can only say in our dimension, they no longer existed. I believe String Theory is on the right track if there ever is a scientific proof of a Creator.

But proving a God or Creator does or does not exist is not as easy for those like you. And because you have decided one does not exist, you accuse those who do believe it to be wrong. Lack of evidence is not evidence, it is called assumption. Even criminals are only 'alleged' to have done something until proven in court by a jury. The best you will ever do is guess until you die and find out. So, in the meantime, it would be more respectful for you to let others believe what they will until you can provide proof they are wrong. Good luck with that.

“De omnibus dubitandum.”

Since: Mar 08

Anywhere I hang my hat

#6 May 13, 2013
Open Eyes wrote:
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... I believe String Theory is on the right track if there ever is a scientific proof of a Creator.
But proving a God or Creator does or does not exist is not as easy for those like you....
It can never be proved for anyone; if you can prove God exists there is no need for faith.

You either believe it or you donít.
Open Eyes

Lewisburg, TN

#7 May 13, 2013
Agnostic and Proud wrote:
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It can never be proved for anyone; if you can prove God exists there is no need for faith.
You either believe it or you donít.
This is not true. It can be proved for me as it has for many others. My inability to prove what I experience to you or for you not to believe me when I tell you what my proof is, is not my loss but yours. As for faith, tangle proof has nothing to do with it. You can have faith in someone you know just as I can in God. Faith is nothing more than complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

This belief, especially for me, is not like a child's belief in Santa or the Easter bunny, just believing in something because someone told me. I did not fully accept God's existence until I was 15, well beyond the child who knew Santa did not really exist. I did not just believe because I was in some church being effected by others as I was totally alone walking down a sidewalk on a nice summer day. The experience was very overwhelming and full of warming energy that overcame me and still does when in prayer. And it was not until 6 years later that God directly communicated with me. It was not proof for me as I was not seeking proof, I had all the proof I needed back when I was 15. It was a message I would not fully understand until many years later.

I am in no way mentally deficient or unstable, I don't hear voices or take medications for any mental disorders, so don't even go there. I am considered by others an extremely stable person and I have an extensive education. There is no reason in my background that could possible point to my experiences as being fictional or somehow made up in my head. There is no way you could possibly explain away what I have experienced over many years. But I don't have to prove anything to you, that is for you to do for yourself. I am quite happy with my belief and genuinely feel sad for others who refuse to even try to seek it out.

“De omnibus dubitandum.”

Since: Mar 08

Anywhere I hang my hat

#8 May 13, 2013
Open Eyes

Lewisburg, TN

#9 May 13, 2013
Agnostic and Proud wrote:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/T he_Dragon_in_My_Garage
Thanks for the laugh. I believe this article is YOUR dragon. It makes some very good points, but unfortunately bases them on some very weak, biased and incomplete facts. Of course you don't see that because you really don't know ALL the facts. So, you just readily accept that this article is making correct ASSUMPTIONS.

Well, good for you. If this satisfies you, that is your business. For me, it is sad that someone who won't accept my side, will accept someone else's weaker argument. Point in case would be the description of Christianity in this article which is not an accepted belief at all, especially today.

Many interpretations in the bible change as the world gets more information. That doesn't change the bible, it changes the perspective of the reader. Many at one time really believed the world to only be about 10,000 years old and created in 6 days, but we know now through science that this is not true. So, that means at one time we miss interpreted what the 6 day creation meant. It was not literal, but an allegory. Now you can be like a child and insist it's not fair that we bible thumpers change perspectives to match new information, but it's okay for everyone else to do that, right?

Many beliefs that came from Catholicism did not come from the bible, but from those who where in bodies of authority such as Kings and Popes and so on. It was not until later years when the bible and archeological proofs were discovered that the truth came to light. But then there are people like those who wrote this article that dig up old outdated information and attempt to present it as current facts. LOL! And people like you believe it or should I dare say... put their faith into it.
Open Eyes

Lewisburg, TN

#10 May 13, 2013
And here is a good analogy...

Some one shows you a basket of apples. All the apples you can see are rotten. They tell you, see, this is a basket of rotten apples. Not one apple is good to eat. BUT!!! Upon deeper investigation, you discover underneath an apple that is not rotten and actually in perfect shape. In other words, don't judge ALL the apples just because all the ones you can see are bad. Just because 99% of religions can be shown to be false doesn't mean ALL religions are false.
Truth Be Told

Lewisburg, TN

#11 May 13, 2013
Open Eyes wrote:
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Well, since you both seem to be the same person I will address this as one post. You have no idea who the folks are on Topix or if they even go to church. If you truly are a Christian then you should know that it is not your attitude that makes you a Christian, but your relationship with Jesus Christ. Yes, a true Christian should strive to be more Christ like, but not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one or understands how to act as one. Even preachers are nothing more than humans just like everyone else. They are not super heroes with super powers and can fail and sin just as quickly as anyone else.
If any Christian, preacher or not, tells you you are going to hell for any reason, they are wrong. No one but God has the authority to make that call. Also, tats won't cause anyone to go to hell. The only chance anyone has of NOT going to heaven is by NOT being righteous to God. Being righteous means being morally right or justifiable before God. One way to do that is accepting Jesus as your Savior.
Yes, church can be like any club or society group in that people will be people and gravitate towards those who most represent who they are. Every church has a core group of true active practicing Christians, another group of true Christians who don't practice as much, another that thinks they are Christians and those who are not Christians, but are there for show. So yes, even churches will have cliques, but why are YOU there? Are you there to judge who is in a clique or there to worship God with other worshipers? What are you doing to break down those walls surrounding those cliques besides talking about them on Topix?
Looks to me they are starting on topixs. A discussion forum. One that is not meant to tear people down but discuss issues of the day. Before you can correct a problem you must identify it. Trust me, folks in the know check in on topixs and it would behoove them to listen to issues that have truths and correct them within so it is no longer an issue.
Open Eyes

Lewisburg, TN

#12 May 13, 2013
Truth Be Told wrote:
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Looks to me they are starting on topixs. A discussion forum. One that is not meant to tear people down but discuss issues of the day. Before you can correct a problem you must identify it. Trust me, folks in the know check in on topixs and it would behoove them to listen to issues that have truths and correct them within so it is no longer an issue.
Hence why I asked, "What else are you doing?"

You said yourself, "Before you can correct a problem you must identify it." It seems to me the source are those in 'their' church, not those 'here' on Topix. Don't get me wrong, I am not against addressing it here. Just saying, as a Christian, the proper way to correct another Christian is to talk to that Christian.

And not to burst your bubble, but 'those in the know' most likely don't even read Topix. This site actually has a very small following compared to the population of the city of Lewisburg, let along the population of the county.

“De omnibus dubitandum.”

Since: Mar 08

Anywhere I hang my hat

#13 May 13, 2013
Open Eyes wrote:
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But proving a God or Creator does or does not exist is not as easy for those like you. And because you have decided one does not exist, you accuse those who do believe it to be wrong. Lack of evidence is not evidence, it is called assumption. Even criminals are only 'alleged' to have done something until proven in court by a jury. The best you will ever do is guess until you die and find out. So, in the meantime, it would be more respectful for you to let others believe what they will until you can provide proof they are wrong. Good luck with that.
ďAbsence of evidence, or the failure to observe evidence that favors a hypothesis, is evidence against that hypothesis.Ē

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Absence_of_evide...
Old timer

Lewisburg, TN

#14 May 13, 2013
Repent wrote:
Look at the shameful posts on Lewisburg Topix. These are the same folks who get all dressed up for church on Sunday and gossip.
I'm a Christian and deal with these people every Sunday. Welcome to Lewisburg!
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Open Eyes

Lewisburg, TN

#15 May 13, 2013
Agnostic and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
ďAbsence of evidence, or the failure to observe evidence that favors a hypothesis, is evidence against that hypothesis.Ē
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Absence_of_evide...
hypothesis:
A supposition (an uncertain belief) or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

A proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.

The belief in God is not a hypothesis. At least for me. But, if you really want to get down and dirty, I made a hypothesis that God existed. I tested it by praying to Him. He answered. I had my evidence, therefore my hypothesis was proven correct. It never says the evidence must be approved by all. In fact, many others have made the discovering as me and none can contest it. You may say, but others have been unable to repeat it. To this I say, you are not testing it properly and that is not my fault.
Christian and Proud

Newington, CT

#17 May 14, 2013
Old timer wrote:
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You need to try another church
I agree. Jesus took me as I am. Who am I to judge a man or woman according to their appearance. If God wants you to change your appearance. That's between you and Him.

Remember not everyone that claims to be a christian, follows Christ. True Christians are known by how we love.

Hopefully this won't turn you against all churches.

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