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Woden is Lord

Columbia, TN

#21 Apr 22, 2013
patriot wrote:
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Suurely you jest.
Quite a bit especially in this post, but no Odin is the original Father Christmas.
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Lawrenceburg, TN

#22 Apr 22, 2013
Woden is Lord wrote:
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God
Make up your mind, Odin or God. You can't have both.
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Lawrenceburg, TN

#23 Apr 22, 2013
Woden is Lord wrote:
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Quite a bit especially in this post, but no Odin is the original Father Christmas.
So you admit you are just a godless low life liar. I'm not surprised, seeing as you pretended to worship a known myth. Good luck with that.
Woden is Lord

Columbia, TN

#24 Apr 22, 2013
U make me LOLOLOL wrote:
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So you admit you are just a godless low life liar. I'm not surprised, seeing as you pretended to worship a known myth. Good luck with that.
You should try the long jump, the leaps you make to different assumptions is quite astounding.

What makes you believe i am godless? What makes you think i pretend? What makes you think your myth is better than anothers?

I would blame the educational system if kids actually tried, but as seen here many don't.
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Lawrenceburg, TN

#25 Apr 22, 2013
Woden is Lord wrote:
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You should try the long jump, the leaps you make to different assumptions is quite astounding.
What makes you believe i am godless? What makes you think i pretend? What makes you think your myth is better than anothers?
I would blame the educational system if kids actually tried, but as seen here many don't.
It's not rocket science in figuring you out. You are lost in a wilderness of the confused. You keep referring to my "myth". What exactly do you think a myth is? Me thinks you call any belief you don't agree with or isn't real a myth. This is a miscalculation on your part. Actually, a myth is and can be referred to any "true story" with religious backgrounds. Christianity can be considered such a myth, but that doesn't make it non-existent or untrue. However, the Odin myth would be considered a "fable" or false story and is considered as Proto-Germanic paganism with much of it written AFTER Christ's time and also includes many of those pagans of the time converting to Christianity. OUCH! Yeah, that's right, when Christianity came along in their part of the world, they converted to it. Maybe you are just reading what you want to, and ignoring the parts that would force you to give real consideration to something that bothers you.

Everyday, more and more physical archeological discoveries are backing up both Christianity and Judaism. Both of their existences has been more than proven and cannot be ignored. I think your only barrier is in deciding whether or not a Spiritual realm can actually exist. And I can understand that. How can someone accept a realm one cannot measure, see or touch. Yet, man has fictionally written and theorized much of what has become real. The existence of or possibilities of other realms called dimensions is a very real possibility even if you discount religion all together.
Woden is Lord

Columbia, TN

#26 Apr 22, 2013
U make me LOLOLOL wrote:
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It's not rocket science in figuring you out. You are lost in a wilderness of the confused. You keep referring to my "myth". What exactly do you think a myth is? Me thinks you call any belief you don't agree with or isn't real a myth. This is a miscalculation on your part. Actually, a myth is and can be referred to any "true story" with religious backgrounds. Christianity can be considered such a myth, but that doesn't make it non-existent or untrue. However, the Odin myth would be considered a "fable" or false story and is considered as Proto-Germanic paganism with much of it written AFTER Christ's time and also includes many of those pagans of the time converting to Christianity. OUCH! Yeah, that's right, when Christianity came along in their part of the world, they converted to it. Maybe you are just reading what you want to, and ignoring the parts that would force you to give real consideration to something that bothers you.
Everyday, more and more physical archeological discoveries are backing up both Christianity and Judaism. Both of their existences has been more than proven and cannot be ignored. I think your only barrier is in deciding whether or not a Spiritual realm can actually exist. And I can understand that. How can someone accept a realm one cannot measure, see or touch. Yet, man has fictionally written and theorized much of what has become real. The existence of or possibilities of other realms called dimensions is a very real possibility even if you discount religion all together.
Once again your assumptions are acrobatic in nature and quite amusing.

You assume that by calling something a myth that i think it isn't real, which is false. You seemed to miss that i call what i may or may not believe in myself "myth" as well. Christianity, Odinism, Mormonism, Islamism, Scientology, Catholicism, and a million other -cisms and -ologys all exist and all are equally real.

You are also wrong that Proto-Germanic peoples converted to Christianity, they converted Christianity to be more like their own religions mixing and matching what they liked best. The celebration of Christmas and Santa itself (among others) is a pagan tradition dating back to before Christianity hit the Isles. None of it "bothers" me in fact i find it all very interesting. It seems to bother you whenever someone doesn't believe your particular myth in the exact way you do.

You also assume i don't believe a "spiritual realm" can exist when my belief is quite contrary to that assumption.

When you base so much of your beliefs of my thoughts on erroneous assumptions one must wonder about the basis of your other beliefs.
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Lawrenceburg, TN

#27 Apr 22, 2013
Woden is Lord wrote:
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Once again your assumptions are acrobatic in nature and quite amusing.
You assume that by calling something a myth that i think it isn't real, which is false. You seemed to miss that i call what i may or may not believe in myself "myth" as well. Christianity, Odinism, Mormonism, Islamism, Scientology, Catholicism, and a million other -cisms and -ologys all exist and all are equally real.
You are also wrong that Proto-Germanic peoples converted to Christianity, they converted Christianity to be more like their own religions mixing and matching what they liked best. The celebration of Christmas and Santa itself (among others) is a pagan tradition dating back to before Christianity hit the Isles. None of it "bothers" me in fact i find it all very interesting. It seems to bother you whenever someone doesn't believe your particular myth in the exact way you do.
You also assume i don't believe a "spiritual realm" can exist when my belief is quite contrary to that assumption.
When you base so much of your beliefs of my thoughts on erroneous assumptions one must wonder about the basis of your other beliefs.
Yes, what I guess about you are indeed assumptions and as most assumptions are, they can be acrobatic. Then I learn a little more about you afterwards.:) To say Christianity, Odinism, Mormonism, Islamism, Scientology, Catholicism, and a million other -cisms and -ologys all equally real, does not make them equally accurate. In fact, you can break each one down into it's parts and attribute greater amounts of false and truth to each one based on the information available. When measured side by side, you can also rate the levels of authenticity and which ones stand higher than the others. This by no means proves Christianity is the absolute truth, but when discussing religions, it stands higher than the others on the measurement scale of possibility.

Your statement, "You are also wrong that Proto-Germanic peoples converted to Christianity, they converted Christianity to be more like their own religions mixing and matching what they liked best" is one big contradiction. That is impossible when considering adapting a religion that is well known to require one to accept Jesus Christ as a personal deity (the center of the religion), and yet leave that part out. And with your statement, you fail to provide any source to back that up. Please give me your source for that statement otherwise I have to assume this comes from your own ideas which is what I feel you have been feeding yourself to justify how you feel. You are like a boat without a rudder.

I have no idea what you are talking about when you say, "It seems to bother you whenever someone doesn't believe your particular myth in the exact way you do". There is only ONE way to believe in my myth: that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Show me even one group/denomination that considers themselves Christian, yet does not believe you need to believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Even the groups we consider to be Christian cults believe that.
Woden is Lord

Columbia, TN

#28 Apr 22, 2013
U make me LOLOLOL wrote:
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Yes, what I guess about you are indeed assumptions and as most assumptions are, they can be acrobatic. Then I learn a little more about you afterwards.:) To say Christianity, Odinism, Mormonism, Islamism, Scientology, Catholicism, and a million other -cisms and -ologys all equally real, does not make them equally accurate. In fact, you can break each one down into it's parts and attribute greater amounts of false and truth to each one based on the information available. When measured side by side, you can also rate the levels of authenticity and which ones stand higher than the others. This by no means proves Christianity is the absolute truth, but when discussing religions, it stands higher than the others on the measurement scale of possibility.
Your statement, "You are also wrong that Proto-Germanic peoples converted to Christianity, they converted Christianity to be more like their own religions mixing and matching what they liked best" is one big contradiction. That is impossible when considering adapting a religion that is well known to require one to accept Jesus Christ as a personal deity (the center of the religion), and yet leave that part out. And with your statement, you fail to provide any source to back that up. Please give me your source for that statement otherwise I have to assume this comes from your own ideas which is what I feel you have been feeding yourself to justify how you feel. You are like a boat without a rudder.
I have no idea what you are talking about when you say, "It seems to bother you whenever someone doesn't believe your particular myth in the exact way you do". There is only ONE way to believe in my myth: that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Show me even one group/denomination that considers themselves Christian, yet does not believe you need to believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Even the groups we consider to be Christian cults believe that.
I can see that you cannot have an academic conversation of religions because you compare them all to your version. You compare 100 varieties of apples against one and find them wanting because they are not your particular apple. As you have said it by no means proves Christianity is correct but that is what you have chosen to believe, which is fine. Yet you choose to launch yourself from this admittedly biased platform to attack those who believe differently than you. It is quite a curious behavior in my open eyes.

How we celebrate Christmas nowadays with trees covered in glitter and tinsel, waiting for the old white bearded, red hooded, magickal man riding his sleigh pulled by eight reindeer (plus Rudolph added for commercial value in 1939 for Montgomery Ward) to deliver wrapped gifts on the winter solstice is a thoroughly Christian belief wholly endorsed by scripture? I could have thought that gilding trees and worshiping the old Gods in any form was frowned upon.

Before Christianity made it to the isles the long white bearded, blue hooded, old God Odin astride his eight-legged horse Sleipnir, delivered gifts underneath gilded trees.

Bit of a loaded question because to be considered Christian one must accept Jesus as his Son so by definition there are none. There are Christians who do not believe Jesus was God, and orthodox Judaism accepts Jesus as neither Son or God.
U make me LOLOLOL

Lawrenceburg, TN

#29 Apr 22, 2013
Woden is Lord wrote:
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I can see that you cannot have an academic conversation of religions because you compare them all to your version. You compare 100 varieties of apples against one and find them wanting because they are not your particular apple. As you have said it by no means proves Christianity is correct but that is what you have chosen to believe, which is fine. Yet you choose to launch yourself from this admittedly biased platform to attack those who believe differently than you. It is quite a curious behavior in my open eyes.
How we celebrate Christmas nowadays with trees covered in glitter and tinsel, waiting for the old white bearded, red hooded, magickal man riding his sleigh pulled by eight reindeer (plus Rudolph added for commercial value in 1939 for Montgomery Ward) to deliver wrapped gifts on the winter solstice is a thoroughly Christian belief wholly endorsed by scripture? I could have thought that gilding trees and worshiping the old Gods in any form was frowned upon.
Before Christianity made it to the isles the long white bearded, blue hooded, old God Odin astride his eight-legged horse Sleipnir, delivered gifts underneath gilded trees.
Bit of a loaded question because to be considered Christian one must accept Jesus as his Son so by definition there are none. There are Christians who do not believe Jesus was God, and orthodox Judaism accepts Jesus as neither Son or God.
None of Christmas is considered Christian other than the time taken to reflect on who Jesus was and how his birth fulfilled Jewish prophetic scripture. It is well established that Jesus was not even 'born' in the winter, but sometime in the spring. ALL the rest of Christmas is man-made BS which is fully understood by Christians. No part of traditional Christmas celebrations such as decorating trees, to Santa Clause is considered Christian. Those who are well versed with their Christianity take strong pains to ensure the weak Christians learn to understand this. Myself, I don't even celebrate Christmas. Unfortunately, any traditions are a hard thing to shake loose of.

You say, "Before Christianity made it to the isles the long white bearded, blue hooded, old God Odin astride his eight-legged horse Sleipnir, delivered gifts underneath gilded trees." Please give some references that this ever took place in the real world.

You say, "Bit of a loaded question because to be considered Christian one must accept Jesus as his Son so by definition there are none."
This makes no sense at all. Are you saying no one claims and accepts Jesus as the Son of God? This is not true at all.

You say, "There are Christians who do not believe Jesus was God, and orthodox Judaism accepts Jesus as neither Son or God"
First, Judaism is not Christianity, yet there are many Jews who not only believe and accept Jesus, they also retain their Jewish roots. Many other former Jews have accepted Jesus and only consider themselves as Christian.

Secondly, I did not say anything about any one accepting Jesus AS God. I said SON of God. It is only required (by Jesus) that those of the faith believe Jesus is who he claimed to be. That he was sent by the Father (God) to bring Salvation to the world that can only be achieved by accepting Jesus as their Saviour. Very few denominations have trouble accepting what is considered the 'trinity" (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit being one and the same), however, this is NOT tantamount to accepting Jesus as the deity he claims to be so it doesn't amount to anything important. It's just semantics.
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Lawrenceburg, TN

#30 Apr 22, 2013
Woden is Lord wrote:
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I can see that you cannot have an academic conversation of religions because you compare them all to your version. You compare 100 varieties of apples against one and find them wanting because they are not your particular apple. As you have said it by no means proves Christianity is correct but that is what you have chosen to believe, which is fine. Yet you choose to launch yourself from this admittedly biased platform to attack those who believe differently than you. It is quite a curious behavior in my open eyes.
How we celebrate Christmas nowadays with trees covered in glitter and tinsel, waiting for the old white bearded, red hooded, magickal man riding his sleigh pulled by eight reindeer (plus Rudolph added for commercial value in 1939 for Montgomery Ward) to deliver wrapped gifts on the winter solstice is a thoroughly Christian belief wholly endorsed by scripture? I could have thought that gilding trees and worshiping the old Gods in any form was frowned upon.
Before Christianity made it to the isles the long white bearded, blue hooded, old God Odin astride his eight-legged horse Sleipnir, delivered gifts underneath gilded trees.
Bit of a loaded question because to be considered Christian one must accept Jesus as his Son so by definition there are none. There are Christians who do not believe Jesus was God, and orthodox Judaism accepts Jesus as neither Son or God.
btw... I left this first part off the previous post:

Woah... lol! I thought this WAS being academic, which is why I asked for your resources (which I noticed you did not provide, so who is not being academic here?). Whether Christianity is MY choice of religion or not is irrelevant to the facts available. In just comparing religions for instance, you can compare Islam to Christianity with two statements: who Jesus was, and how he died. The two religion's holy books contradict each other, therefore only ONE can be considered true. When closely examining some other facts of the religions it becomes clear which is more true than the other. The same can be said for other religions if one takes the time to examine where the fact sources are coming from. You can't get any more academic that that. If I have said anything about one religion compared to another, I normally include some facts. I did just that concerning Odin.
Woden is Lord

Columbia, TN

#31 Apr 22, 2013
Now we are getting somewhere, we can agree that Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus and as most people celebrate it today is pagan in origin and should NOT be celebrated by Christians. Here are a few links on the origin of Santa, Roman peoples drew from Saturnalia (Sun God) and Germanic from Yule (Odin).

http://christiannews.net/2012/12/22/truth-or-...

http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseactio...

http://suite101.com/article/santa--the-norse-...

http://biblefocus.net/notes/sjh/santa-claus-a...

http://www.christmasarchives.org/santa.html
Woden is Lord

Columbia, TN

#32 Apr 22, 2013
Way past my bedtime but my experiment here has gone way off track although it came out just as i expected.

Did God say to forgive people unless they really made you mad? Did he say there was a limit to forgiveness? Did he say think about a few days then forgive? Did he say forgive unless they're different than you?

Why is it that nobody here except the "godless low life liar" has forgiven the Boston bombers?

Where are the supposed capital "C" Christians?

http://www.openbible.info/topics/forgiven_tho...
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Lawrenceburg, TN

#33 Apr 22, 2013
Woden is Lord wrote:
Now we are getting somewhere, we can agree that Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus and as most people celebrate it today is pagan in origin and should NOT be celebrated by Christians. Here are a few links on the origin of Santa, Roman peoples drew from Saturnalia (Sun God) and Germanic from Yule (Odin).
http://christiannews.net/2012/12/22/truth-or-...
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseactio...
http://suite101.com/article/santa--the-norse-...
http://biblefocus.net/notes/sjh/santa-claus-a...
http://www.christmasarchives.org/santa.html
I am well aware of the origins of the pagan Christmas, Santa and other related topics. I was looking for you to backup your statement that Proto-Germanic people did not convert to Christianity.
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Lawrenceburg, TN

#34 Apr 22, 2013
Woden is Lord wrote:
Way past my bedtime but my experiment here has gone way off track although it came out just as i expected.
Did God say to forgive people unless they really made you mad? Did he say there was a limit to forgiveness? Did he say think about a few days then forgive? Did he say forgive unless they're different than you?
Why is it that nobody here except the "godless low life liar" has forgiven the Boston bombers?
Where are the supposed capital "C" Christians?
http://www.openbible.info/topics/forgiven_tho...
Switching gears? Forgiveness from a Christian point of view is an interesting topic. First, we are not God. His forgiveness comes unconditionally when a believer confesses and asks for forgiveness, and God promises to give it.

Secondly, you have to examine the sins you are speaking of. What was the sin? And who did they sin against? I cannot forgive the sins you commit against others, only they and God can do that. Jesus tells us to forgive those who sin against us so God will forgive OUR sins. It is also incorporated in the one prayer Jesus teaches us to pray which includes the words, "forgive us of our sins as we forgive those who sin against us". Directly after teaching that pray, he said, "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins". So if a Christian is not forgiving those who are sinning again them, they are in jeopardy of having unforgiven sin in their life and until they rectify that, God won't listen to them.

As for the bomber's sins, who did they sin against? They sinned against the people who were directly involved by injuring and murdering family members, they lied and bared false witness to their friends and family, but they didn't sin against me. So what sins am I or others not involved forgiving? Hope that makes sense.
justice for all

Columbia, TN

#35 Apr 22, 2013
Uh, how bout you losers getting back to those wanna be towel heads in Boston. 1 dead; 1 to go...

Throw him in a cell the four big bubbas and let him be the team girl friend. lol.
Imagine that

Lawrenceburg, TN

#36 Apr 22, 2013
justice for all wrote:
Uh, how bout you losers getting back to those wanna be towel heads in Boston. 1 dead; 1 to go...
Throw him in a cell the four big bubbas and let him be the team girl friend. lol.
Of course that makes you just as cold as them. So, in a way, you just equated yourself down to their level. Let me dumb that down for you: you are just like them. Clap... clap... clap.
Woden is Lord

Columbia, TN

#37 Apr 24, 2013
U make me LOLOLOL wrote:
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I am well aware of the origins of the pagan Christmas, Santa and other related topics. I was looking for you to backup your statement that Proto-Germanic people did not convert to Christianity.
It may just be a matter of perception, i don't see my ancestors mixing their Gods in with Christianity as converting to Christianity but as converting Christianity itself. In part due to their refusal to give up the old Gods and in part due to the Catholic church doing everything it could to amass power Christianity was changed, not in the bible so much as in peoples actions. Gods of war and nature were mixed into Holy Days that most Christians celebrate so that even in 2013 people still invoke the Gods of my ancestors whether they know it or not.
Woden is Lord

Columbia, TN

#38 Apr 24, 2013
U make me LOLOLOL wrote:
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Switching gears? Forgiveness from a Christian point of view is an interesting topic. First, we are not God. His forgiveness comes unconditionally when a believer confesses and asks for forgiveness, and God promises to give it.
Secondly, you have to examine the sins you are speaking of. What was the sin? And who did they sin against? I cannot forgive the sins you commit against others, only they and God can do that. Jesus tells us to forgive those who sin against us so God will forgive OUR sins. It is also incorporated in the one prayer Jesus teaches us to pray which includes the words, "forgive us of our sins as we forgive those who sin against us". Directly after teaching that pray, he said, "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins". So if a Christian is not forgiving those who are sinning again them, they are in jeopardy of having unforgiven sin in their life and until they rectify that, God won't listen to them.
As for the bomber's sins, who did they sin against? They sinned against the people who were directly involved by injuring and murdering family members, they lied and bared false witness to their friends and family, but they didn't sin against me. So what sins am I or others not involved forgiving? Hope that makes sense.
No, just trying to get back to the original gear, for a minute or two anyways. It does make sense, more of a one on one situation.

Does that mean a Christian doesn't need to forgive one who wishes to harm them until they actually do harm them personally? Does that mean a Christian can wish harm upon another as long as they don't actually harm them? They can hold that hate in their hearts as long as they don't ACT upon it?
U make me LOLOLOL

Lawrenceburg, TN

#39 Apr 24, 2013
Woden is Lord wrote:
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No, just trying to get back to the original gear, for a minute or two anyways. It does make sense, more of a one on one situation.
Does that mean a Christian doesn't need to forgive one who wishes to harm them until they actually do harm them personally? Does that mean a Christian can wish harm upon another as long as they don't actually harm them? They can hold that hate in their hearts as long as they don't ACT upon it?
"Does that mean a Christian doesn't need to forgive one who wishes to harm them until they actually do harm them personally?"

You can't forgive someone of anything until you feel they have done something against you. You can define sin as an "act" considered to be a transgression against divine law as in any act that is against God's law. Also, it is when you do wrong or hold any wrong against someone, imagined or not. If someone threatens you, that is wrong (sin). Once the threat is removed, then between you and God, you can forgive them. You don't have to tell them you forgive them until they ask for it unless you want to. The idea is for you not to hold anything against others, otherwise, have you really forgiven them? This doesn't mean you have to be buddies, it just means you won't hold it against them in your heart.

"Does that mean a Christian can wish harm upon another as long as they don't actually harm them?"

Wishing harm upon anyone is wrong (sin) whether you carry it out or not. If they do not know about your wishing them harm, then this would be a sin between you and God. It would be between you, them AND God if you carried it out or if they knew you wanted to. Whenever I've done somebody wrong, intentionally or not, I am quick to rectify it and tell them I am sorry. You can usually tell whether or not they forgive you. But in YOUR relationship with God, to keep communications open you need give absolute forgiveness. Their relationship with God is up to them.

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