Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#76107 Apr 12, 2013
Nuh_ wrote:
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It is quite interesting that it "has been found unconstitutional" - although the men who actually wrote the document had no issue at all with attending church services at the U.S. Capitol building.
Look, since I endeavor to be a Christian, I PERSONALLY have no objection to having my kid say the Lord's Prayer in school. The thing is, I can actualy see how that would be unacceptable for other folks who also pay taxes and do not believe as I do. If you can't see that side of this, you are blind.
This country has a more diverse population than ever, and I think FORCING one's religious beliefs on other Americans is a pretty unamerican position to take.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#76108 Apr 12, 2013
Nuh_ wrote:
<quoted text>
It is quite interesting that it "has been found unconstitutional" - although the men who actually wrote the document had no issue at all with attending church services at the U.S. Capitol building.
BTW, you never answered the question in my post. How would you feel about your kid saying a Muslim prayer if his/her teacher was a Muslim ? Would that teacher be somehow less of an American than a Christian teacher leading the class in the Lord's Prayer ??????
ORGANIZED prayer has no place in public schools because of the problems that are sure to result from a situation such as the one above.
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#76109 Apr 12, 2013
123pictures wrote:
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Read what she says on Camden Forum about SPY being a federal "classified( federal?) " employee.It's under Spy removes posts from the Forum.
Spy goes to auctions on Saturday in Camden looking for" bargains"??
Federal and FBI do NOT use internet to carry out their work.
She threatens Really Sassy that he will be knocking on her /his door just a few feet down her street in Camden.
Lying Linda has a federally classified friend who she knows so well??? Linda said she has a 3 bedroom brick but has a trailer in a run down side of town instead.
You can't put anything into what Lying Linda says.Republicans wouldn't think twice of turning her down.She's too low class to be in Republican party.Tea Party would puke at her request to join up.Too low class.Does not even vote yet critical off others who do.
That's odd, you say the Republicans would not want Linda, because she is too low class. Now in my County which votes for the Republican ticket everytime is "for the most part" very, very poor and living in trailers, working multiple jobs, milking the system(which is not right), just getting by, day to day. Yet they still vote Republican, so I can only guess they are Republicans.
Now this past election, I have talked to some of the business owners that are registered Republicans(for life) and I even asked them who they were going to vote for and they all said Obama. They understood that for their small business to survive they would have to have him in office.

Since: Feb 13

Guild

#76111 Apr 12, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> BTW, you never answered the question in my post. How would you feel about your kid saying a Muslim prayer if his/her teacher was a Muslim ? Would that teacher be somehow less of an American than a Christian teacher leading the class in the Lord's Prayer ??????
ORGANIZED prayer has no place in public schools because of the problems that are sure to result from a situation such as the one above.
You never asked me - I thought you were asking another poster.

Prayer in school is not even what I've been posting about, rather the false argument that the use of public property for religious services - whatever religion that may be - is somehow 'unconstitutional'.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#76112 Apr 12, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> What would you do with those who lose their job and have pre-existing conditions and are determined uninsurable by insurance companies ? You know, no insurance available at ANY price and no company that wants to have their insurance rates go up because they hired this person ?
You have easy answers to complicated questions, but let me clue ya, life ain't always like that. Have a little compassion for those less fortunate than you...try to remember, "there but for the grace of God..."
The solution is government ran hospitals for the poor. Optional hospitals. There would need only be enough of them to serve those without insurance, and the poor who cant afford it.

There is no need for Obamacare, which is rebuilding the old Soviet Union.

Its like a situation where a band aid (government poor hospitals) are needed, we wrap somebody up like a mummy (Obamacare).

Obamacare is 50 pounds of the wrong medicine to cover a half-ounce sized problem.

Its just a convenient excuse for a socialist takeover.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#76118 Apr 12, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
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Well, your TEApublican-majority Congress voted to give it to him! So, who's fault is it, really? It's the House of Representatives that vote on all things concerning Money and YOU voted THEM into office! If you've got a problem with that, it's because THEY screwed you over, AGAIN! You'll learn one of these days...MAYBE!
Oh Sweet Pea.Oh Honey Babe.You seem to forget I voted for" Change We Can Believe In".This guy is nothing but a con man,a pupet for his money masters as most are.He conned his way in on lies.
I told you I did not vote this time because I'm fed up with the BS that comes out of DC.
The people better come up with a solution because this country and life itself is in big trouble.
You can go on and on about Tea Pubs but he is no better.
I'm going to learn one of these days? I learned after I saw he was telling lies about everything that he said he was for or against so he did not get my vote the 2nd time around.
In my book that's learning.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#76119 Apr 12, 2013
Hey wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh Sweet Pea.Oh Honey Babe.You seem to forget I voted for" Change We Can Believe In".This guy is nothing but a con man,a pupet for his money masters as most are.He conned his way in on lies.
I told you I did not vote this time because I'm fed up with the BS that comes out of DC.
The people better come up with a solution because this country and life itself is in big trouble.
You can go on and on about Tea Pubs but he is no better.
I'm going to learn one of these days? I learned after I saw he was telling lies about everything that he said he was for or against so he did not get my vote the 2nd time around.
In my book that's learning.
So by extension, we all should have followed your lead and sat at home instead of voting. That would have put Mitt in the White House and SOMEHOW this would solve all of our problems right ? That would have magically "come up with a solution" ! Yep that's the ticket.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#76120 Apr 12, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
The solution is government ran hospitals for the poor. Optional hospitals. There would need only be enough of them to serve those without insurance, and the poor who cant afford it.
There is no need for Obamacare, which is rebuilding the old Soviet Union.
Its like a situation where a band aid (government poor hospitals) are needed, we wrap somebody up like a mummy (Obamacare).
Obamacare is 50 pounds of the wrong medicine to cover a half-ounce sized problem.
Its just a convenient excuse for a socialist takeover.
There are between 45 and 50 MILLION uninsured Americans in this country right now. Many of those people are the sickest individuals who EVENTUALLY (after they have declared bankruptcy and divested themselves of most of their life's posessions) end up being covered by Medicaid which is government (taxpayer) funded healthcare. How many of these "optional hospitals" would we need to service those millions of uninsured Americans AND the group that are Medicaid eligable ? What would be the cost to the treasury ?
While you might, I do not find 50 million of our fellow citizens who have no health insurance to be a "half-ounce sized problem". The same argument you are making was made over Medicare a few decades ago. I don't know a single senior citizen who wants to do away with Medicare, and I suspect you don't either.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#76121 Apr 12, 2013
Nuh_ wrote:
<quoted text>
You never asked me - I thought you were asking another poster.
Prayer in school is not even what I've been posting about, rather the false argument that the use of public property for religious services - whatever religion that may be - is somehow 'unconstitutional'.
Well when you responded to my post 76103 which was about school prayer....I thought you were commenting on....school prayer ! Sorry.

Since: Feb 13

Guild

#76122 Apr 12, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Well when you responded to my post 76103 which was about school prayer....I thought you were commenting on....school prayer ! Sorry.
It was not entirely on school prayer - I was responding to this:

"It is forcing your prayers, and your nativity scenes and your beliefs on others and onto PUBLIC property that has been found unconstitutional."

In addition, further on you post:

"It is forcing your prayers, and your nativity scenes and your beliefs on others and onto PUBLIC property that has been found unconstitutional. If you wish to have organized school prayer there are a great many, good Christian schools out there, but the public schools are called public for a reason."

Are Christians not a part (most of the time the vast majority) of the 'public'- and pay taxes for said property?
Good Guy

Johnson City, TN

#76123 Apr 12, 2013
Haslam

Since: Feb 13

Guild

#76124 Apr 12, 2013
This is infuriating. There is a business that wants to open in Chattanooga providing jobs - and...A lobbyist for Ole Smoky Moonshine, a distillery in Gatlinburg, could have caused the delay of HB 102, which would allow leaders of Chattanooga Whiskey Company to make their product in Hamilton County.

http://www.nooga.com/160989/lobbyist-for-gatl...
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#76125 Apr 12, 2013
Nuh_ wrote:
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Are Christians not a part (most of the time the vast majority) of the 'public'- and pay taxes for said property?
Are you actually advocating a majority rule on allowing religious displays and prayer o public property ?

How does that same sentence sound when I substitute a single word in it ?
"Are" WHITES "not a part (most of the time the vast majority) of the 'public'-and pay taxes for said property ?" Should whites have the only say in what happens on public property based on that ?
That was THE argument going on in this country a copule of generations ago, and that one wasn't found constitutional either.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#76126 Apr 12, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> So by extension, we all should have followed your lead and sat at home instead of voting. That would have put Mitt in the White House and SOMEHOW this would solve all of our problems right ? That would have magically "come up with a solution" ! Yep that's the ticket.
I did not want either one of them and I just could not vote anymore for the lesser of two evils.
How many more years will we continue to vote for these people who continue to do for the benefit of those who bribe them.
They will vote for Monsanto's benefit because that is where the money is.
Screw the farmers,screw that GM crops are devoid of nutrition,screw that they cause sterility, screw that they cause tumors, screw that they cause organ damage, screw that they are killing the bees, screw that they are contaminating the water supplies,screw that they are taking over life itself for power and profit
and destroying that system of life that has been unfolding on this place we call home.
This same thing goes on in the cancer industry,the fracking,on and on
where ever you look.
I think we the people better come up with another plan because it will not happen with the system we have now.
So instead of the Dems did this or the Pubs do this they all need to go.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#76127 Apr 12, 2013
Hey wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not want either one of them and I just could not vote anymore for the lesser of two evils.
How many more years will we continue to vote for these people who continue to do for the benefit of those who bribe them.
They will vote for Monsanto's benefit because that is where the money is.
Screw the farmers,screw that GM crops are devoid of nutrition,screw that they cause sterility, screw that they cause tumors, screw that they cause organ damage, screw that they are killing the bees, screw that they are contaminating the water supplies,screw that they are taking over life itself for power and profit
and destroying that system of life that has been unfolding on this place we call home.
This same thing goes on in the cancer industry,the fracking,on and on
where ever you look.
I think we the people better come up with another plan because it will not happen with the system we have now.
So instead of the Dems did this or the Pubs do this they all need to go.
Well, I am not going to disagree with any of that, with ONE exception. I am not willing to cede my vote for the lesser of two evils to some who would vote for the person I see as the greater of two evils. If I stay home in protest, I do NOTHING to change the trajectory of policy, and I will never do that. There is no "perfect" candidate who agrees with me on all issues and there never will be.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#76128 Apr 12, 2013
The Founding Fathers began drafting the Declaration and the Constitution in a, gasp, tavern. Does that mean they were drunks?

American Muslims pay taxes. Should they then be allowed to hold their religious services in federal buildings? I'm betting if they proposed this, the righties would suddenly reinterpret the 1st Amendment to prevent this.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#76129 Apr 12, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
The Founding Fathers began drafting the Declaration and the Constitution in a, gasp, tavern. Does that mean they were drunks?
American Muslims pay taxes. Should they then be allowed to hold their religious services in federal buildings? I'm betting if they proposed this, the righties would suddenly reinterpret the 1st Amendment to prevent this.
Some on the right are quite concerned with what the founders thought about religion when the penned the text about freedom of religion, since they believe document is frozen in a time, over 200 years ago... but ask them if semi-automatic weapons and 30 round clips were contemplated when the founders penned the second amendment and you get a resounding YES !! Priceless !
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#76130 Apr 12, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Well, I am not going to disagree with any of that, with ONE exception. I am not willing to cede my vote for the lesser of two evils to some who would vote for the person I see as the greater of two evils. If I stay home in protest, I do NOTHING to change the trajectory of policy, and I will never do that. There is no "perfect" candidate who agrees with me on all issues and there never will be.
It is not a matter of them agreeing on all issues.They have one issue and it's themselves and giving to the bribers what they want which in turn gives them what they want.Power and a good job down the road.
That insider trading is real sweet, and they gave that right to themselves.Isn't that sweet?
How can you continue to vote without taking a barf bag to the voting booth?

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#76131 Apr 12, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
The Founding Fathers began drafting the Declaration and the Constitution in a, gasp, tavern. Does that mean they were drunks?
American Muslims pay taxes. Should they then be allowed to hold their religious services in federal buildings? I'm betting if they proposed this, the righties would suddenly reinterpret the 1st Amendment to prevent this.
Absolutely correct..the "righties" would, but not through re-interpretation, through the power of "rights" granted unto "citizenship"! What a novel idea!

While jefferson was President of the United States, America fought the islamic terrotrist for over a decade, costing sixteen percent of America's economy.

America's "righties" DO oppose allowing the islamists worshipping their false/pagan god in any federal building because we righties" don't want American women murdered when they wear make-up, blue jeans, lip-stick, or one day profess the true God of creation!

The acclaimed "god" of these misled fanatics was a medieval war-lord who died approximately five hundred years after Jesus Christ was crucified, and after his murderous followers redacted the Old Testiment in what is known by scholars as the most profound act of plagiarism in history.

Yes, the rock-dwellers were too stupid to create an attractive narrative on their own so they plagiarized the Old Testament, contorting the story-line into an absurd mess, obvious to anyone with student reading ability and common sense. They would have considered you one of their very own.

I don't fully understand what drives your hatred for America, but I will contribute to an earnest effort to secure necessary financing for your timely departure!
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#76132 Apr 12, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> So by extension, we all should have followed your lead and sat at home instead of voting. That would have put Mitt in the White House and SOMEHOW this would solve all of our problems right ? That would have magically "come up with a solution" ! Yep that's the ticket.
Yes, it would have. Better than handouts and a socialist gov. Right now, there would be jobs galore, But then dem.lib people don't want that.

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