Christians Misunderstanding Sin

Christians Misunderstanding Sin

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Hypocrites abound

Lewisburg, TN

#1 Jun 7, 2012
The following news article says it all:

A ruling from Judge Tim L. Garcia in the New Mexico Court of Appeals says states can require Christians to violate their faith in order to do business, affirming a penalty of nearly $7,000 for a photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian “commitment” ceremony in the state where same-sex “marriage” was illegal.

Where is the sin for the photographer? How is he/she violating his/her faith? It is not a sin to photograph anyone. For the photographer to object to another's perceived sinning in fine. Object all you like. However, just recording their event on film is NOT giving your oakay-doaky to what they are doing. The photographer deserved to be fined. Does the photographer not realize that every single person he/she photographs, even at a man/woman wedding is a sinner?

Christians need to understand their faith better and quit being prejudice. Jesus would never have turned away anyone. He would have told them to stop sinning, but he would have sat down to dinner with them just as he did the tax collectors and sinners.(While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples.)

Since: Jun 11

Lewisburg, TN

#2 Jun 7, 2012
How long did he wait to tell them he refused? was it several weeks before the ceremony or at the last minute. As far as i'm concerned that's the real question. if he gave them time to find a replacement, i don't see that he should be punished. If he had been paid anything and just decided at the ceremony then heck yeah penalize him!
Hypocrites abound

Lewisburg, TN

#3 Jun 7, 2012
some jerk wrote:
How long did he wait to tell them he refused? was it several weeks before the ceremony or at the last minute. As far as i'm concerned that's the real question. if he gave them time to find a replacement, i don't see that he should be punished. If he had been paid anything and just decided at the ceremony then heck yeah penalize him!
Here is one take on the story. I don't know what the circumstances were, but once you sign a binding contract, you are indeed bound to it unless THEY release you. I have no idea how the photographer could not have known who was getting married if they filled out the forms, and therefore must have known it was a gay marriage, but then must have got cold feet later after giving it thought. Too bad, be careful of what you sign.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/elai...
the truth

Columbia, TN

#4 Jun 9, 2012
Hypocrites abound wrote:
The following news article says it all:
A ruling from Judge Tim L. Garcia in the New Mexico Court of Appeals says states can require Christians to violate their faith in order to do business, affirming a penalty of nearly $7,000 for a photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian “commitment” ceremony in the state where same-sex “marriage” was illegal.
Where is the sin for the photographer? How is he/she violating his/her faith? It is not a sin to photograph anyone. For the photographer to object to another's perceived sinning in fine. Object all you like. However, just recording their event on film is NOT giving your oakay-doaky to what they are doing. The photographer deserved to be fined. Does the photographer not realize that every single person he/she photographs, even at a man/woman wedding is a sinner?
Christians need to understand their faith better and quit being prejudice. Jesus would never have turned away anyone. He would have told them to stop sinning, but he would have sat down to dinner with them just as he did the tax collectors and sinners.(While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples.)
If the photographer had agreed and a contract was in place, then the fine is appropriate.

HOWEVER, I take issue with the rest of your argument. Perhaps it is not a sin to photograph others as they sin, but it is still a matter of personal choice whether or not someone wants to film them in the act of sinning. Let me ask you this, where does it stop? If the photographer has an issue with two guys having butt-sex, should those misgivings be set aside and the act be filmed at those guys' request? That is an extreme example, but perhaps the ceremony was just as offensive as filming porn in the photographer's eyes.
Hypocrites abound

Mooresville, NC

#5 Jun 9, 2012
the truth wrote:
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If the photographer had agreed and a contract was in place, then the fine is appropriate.
HOWEVER, I take issue with the rest of your argument. Perhaps it is not a sin to photograph others as they sin, but it is still a matter of personal choice whether or not someone wants to film them in the act of sinning. Let me ask you this, where does it stop? If the photographer has an issue with two guys having butt-sex, should those misgivings be set aside and the act be filmed at those guys' request? That is an extreme example, but perhaps the ceremony was just as offensive as filming porn in the photographer's eyes.
Perhaps so. Guess the photographer should have thought of that ahead of time. Is the photographer's offense righteous? Not according to Jesus. He never said we should shun or treat sinners any different than anyone else. Jesus received sinners and ate with them.(I highly doubt anyone would have asked them to film porno.)

Jesus also said, "...love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful."

On the same note, should we also not photograph fat people eating (gorging) food? Gluttony is a "deadly sin" where homosexually is not upon that deadly list. Why are we drawing lines in one place, but not another?
the truth

Columbia, TN

#6 Jun 9, 2012
Hypocrites abound wrote:
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Perhaps so. Guess the photographer should have thought of that ahead of time. Is the photographer's offense righteous? Not according to Jesus. He never said we should shun or treat sinners any different than anyone else. Jesus received sinners and ate with them.(I highly doubt anyone would have asked them to film porno.)
Jesus also said, "...love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful."
On the same note, should we also not photograph fat people eating (gorging) food? Gluttony is a "deadly sin" where homosexually is not upon that deadly list. Why are we drawing lines in one place, but not another?
Part of it is the judgment of man creeping into the picture. Most people are a lot more disturbed by a man slurping on another man's wiener than they are by a fat dude slurping down a Big Gulp.
Hypocrites abound

Lewisburg, TN

#7 Jun 9, 2012
the truth wrote:
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Part of it is the judgment of man creeping into the picture. Most people are a lot more disturbed by a man slurping on another man's wiener than they are by a fat dude slurping down a Big Gulp.
Then by all means, don't look! Don't partake. It's not rocket science. But to treat others bad simply because you don't like how they live is wrong. We went through all that with civil rights in the 60's. Are we now going to have to relive that all over again? Did we as a nation not learn ANYTHING from that era? I would hope so. Hate the sin, not the sinner. If you are going to hammer the homosexuals, go tell fat people how sinful they are, too! God doesn't see any difference in sins. That plank isn't helping you see very well.
the truth

Columbia, TN

#8 Jun 10, 2012
Hypocrites abound wrote:
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Then by all means, don't look! Don't partake. It's not rocket science. But to treat others bad simply because you don't like how they live is wrong. We went through all that with civil rights in the 60's. Are we now going to have to relive that all over again? Did we as a nation not learn ANYTHING from that era? I would hope so. Hate the sin, not the sinner. If you are going to hammer the homosexuals, go tell fat people how sinful they are, too! God doesn't see any difference in sins. That plank isn't helping you see very well.
I was just trying to explain how people think. I don't care what people do in their own homes, even though I do find it thoroughly gross that two men would pleasure each other. Two chicks doesn't bother me nearly as much :D
judiedj

United States

#9 Jun 10, 2012
the truth wrote:
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I was just trying to explain how people think. I don't care what people do in their own homes, even though I do find it thoroughly gross that two men would pleasure each other. Two chicks doesn't bother me nearly as much :D
well there is nothing sexy about fat men slurping down a big gulp. if people worried about their own gross sin regarding the amount of food they shovel into their mouth and worry less about what their neighbors are up to we wouldnt need national health care.
But I digress. leads me to ask if i can refuse service to an obese customer or not.

Since: Sep 08

Neon City Oh.

#10 Jun 10, 2012
Hypocrites abound wrote:
The following news article says it all:
A ruling from Judge Tim L. Garcia in the New Mexico Court of Appeals says states can require Christians to violate their faith in order to do business, affirming a penalty of nearly $7,000 for a photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian “commitment” ceremony in the state where same-sex “marriage” was illegal.
Where is the sin for the photographer? How is he/she violating his/her faith? It is not a sin to photograph anyone. For the photographer to object to another's perceived sinning in fine. Object all you like. However, just recording their event on film is NOT giving your oakay-doaky to what they are doing. The photographer deserved to be fined. Does the photographer not realize that every single person he/she photographs, even at a man/woman wedding is a sinner?
Christians need to understand their faith better and quit being prejudice. Jesus would never have turned away anyone. He would have told them to stop sinning, but he would have sat down to dinner with them just as he did the tax collectors and sinners.(While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples.)
So the photographer claims that all those who had their pictures taken were living without sin?
They should fine the photographer for being an idiot.
Darwin P Crosland

United States

#11 Aug 14, 2012
My fellow Americans:

I am ar great awe of the lack of empathy, compassion, and grace is destroying a once great nation. We, not, them - in other words, there is no one ro blame but ourselves.

Allow me to explain, first, we say we can not pray in our public schools, cant bring Torah or Bible, however the Quaran is okay, along with its Jihad.Then we fast forward to today. We have mass homicides inside of schools and theaters. We now love Hunger Games, were children play to the death for entertainment, and we call it entertainment.

We love to hate, and point a finger. We love to find each others faults. Christians once upheld the freedom from religion as it did for freedom from the state's interference with religion. Athiest use ti love people, even if they didn't believe in a Creator.

We have com so far as to come full circle. The environment is rich for destruction - however, no one wins in wars.

I am a Follower of Jesus. Jesus did not accept everyone , as some have come to believe. He called people piles of shit, snakes, and asses. He would not be considered Christian by many today.

I believe the Nation neefs to grow up, grow someballs, and return to a state of mind where owners of nusinesses can refer a gsy or lesbian couple to another photographer without having judges tell them that by refusing to do business they have committed a "hate" crime.

So you realize that by criminalizing feelings we are loosing our love. He are headed for absolute disaster, death, and despair - unless more level headed judges are placed in power and less level headed judges are denied such power, such csn be said at the executive and legislative levels as well - but who decides- we the people.
Christian

Lewisburg, TN

#12 Aug 14, 2012
Please read 1 corinthians, 6:9-11.
Hypocrites abound

Lewisburg, TN

#13 Aug 15, 2012
Darwin P Crosland wrote:
My fellow Americans:
I am ar great awe of the lack of empathy, compassion, and grace is destroying a once great nation. We, not, them - in other words, there is no one ro blame but ourselves.
Allow me to explain, first, we say we can not pray in our public schools, cant bring Torah or Bible, however the Quaran is okay, along with its Jihad.Then we fast forward to today. We have mass homicides inside of schools and theaters. We now love Hunger Games, were children play to the death for entertainment, and we call it entertainment.
We love to hate, and point a finger. We love to find each others faults. Christians once upheld the freedom from religion as it did for freedom from the state's interference with religion. Athiest use ti love people, even if they didn't believe in a Creator.
We have com so far as to come full circle. The environment is rich for destruction - however, no one wins in wars.
I am a Follower of Jesus. Jesus did not accept everyone , as some have come to believe. He called people piles of shit, snakes, and asses. He would not be considered Christian by many today.
I believe the Nation neefs to grow up, grow someballs, and return to a state of mind where owners of nusinesses can refer a gsy or lesbian couple to another photographer without having judges tell them that by refusing to do business they have committed a "hate" crime.
So you realize that by criminalizing feelings we are loosing our love. He are headed for absolute disaster, death, and despair - unless more level headed judges are placed in power and less level headed judges are denied such power, such csn be said at the executive and legislative levels as well - but who decides- we the people.
I can agree with much of what you are saying, however we are talking about a photographer, not Jesus. Yes, Jesus did not accept many, but those many where the Jewish/religious teachers/leaders of the time that would not accept him. Others, such as sinners, who were open to his teachings, he was open to talking to. He also taught us to have mercy so God would have mercy on us.

As for the photographer, he had every right to refer the couple to another photographer up until the point he signed and accepted a contract. As a Christian, we are told to follow the law of the land (as long as it does not cause us to reject our own faith). Once you sign a contract, you are obliged to carry it out.
Hypocrites abound

Lewisburg, TN

#14 Aug 15, 2012
Christian wrote:
Please read 1 corinthians, 6:9-11.
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

In other words, this only applies to those not who have not accepted Jesus (been saved).

In this portion of Corinthians, Paul is discussing the lawsuits that Christians had against other Christians in secular courts. He was chastising them for not resolving the issues within the church.

So this really does not relate to my original posting.
PGD

Chicago, IL

#15 May 6, 2013
Amazing how some just glaze over the parts they do not want to see and only read what they want to hear.
Were did it say that the photographer signed anything? In light of this, the photographer has the right to direct the "couple" to someone else. And for those of you who say Jesus excepted everyone, I say to you, read the Bible again. In fact read the exact words you have written, Jesus did not accept many and accepted only those, "such as sinners, who were open to his teachings, he was open to talking to." Your very words hit it on the nail. Now listen to your own words. He only accepts us if we accept him. This means we must strive to not sin. THIS DOES NOT GIVE US PERMISSION TO SIN.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
"Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Sane

Candler, NC

#16 May 6, 2013
Are you seriously spouting this "god" nonsense in 2013? Grow up! Your bronze age hocus-pocus is tiring. You should be ashamed of yourself.
why not

United States

#17 May 6, 2013
People spouting bible verses but leave out what they want too. Read the bible and don't see what it is saying. We are all sinners from birth. My sinn is the same as yours. It doesn't matter the sin. If you live your life for Christ then know that you have got to ask forgiveness every step you take. You can not live with out sinning. The evil will point out where you fall short. All you can do as a Christian is pray for the sinners. But if you turn away from them where do they hear the word. Be with the sinners so you can spread the greatness of God's love. And in the end it will all be sorted out.
Sane

Candler, NC

#18 May 6, 2013
why not wrote:
People spouting bible verses but leave out what they want too. Read the bible and don't see what it is saying. We are all sinners from birth. My sinn is the same as yours. It doesn't matter the sin. If you live your life for Christ then know that you have got to ask forgiveness every step you take. You can not live with out sinning. The evil will point out where you fall short. All you can do as a Christian is pray for the sinners. But if you turn away from them where do they hear the word. Be with the sinners so you can spread the greatness of God's love. And in the end it will all be sorted out.
Or just carry a 4 leaf clover in your pocket.
why not

Duluth, GA

#19 May 6, 2013
Sane wrote:
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Or just carry a 4 leaf clover in your pocket.
Just because it is something you don't believe in doesn't mean you have to poke fun of it. I beat you at one point or another you are a desindent from a Christian. I did not cast a stone to what you believe. You are free to believe what ever you want. If you believe in history at all you have to believe that a man named Jesus walked the earth and preformed many great things. They are still to this day finding scrolls that have writen accounts of his teachings and miracles. If you are not a believer in God. You still can say if every one lived by his teachings it would be a better place.
cautious

Nashville, TN

#20 May 7, 2013
Does the Bible not state that we should not be conformed of this world? That we should flee from sin? That we should teach his word. The Bible has not changed with this world it has stayed the same and its teachings are the same. It states that we willl be persicuted for our beliefs. The photographer was fined for his decision reguardless of what his reasons were. He may have lost some $ but if he made his choice based on his faith and belief in God then he will be blessed 10x over. We have to believe and stand firm in our.beleifs no matter what the consequences. We show our love for him and suffer for him as he did for us and we will be well compensated.

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