KOCH Brothers and their Dirty Deeds

KOCH Brothers and their Dirty Deeds

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Since: Oct 11

Columbus, OH

#1 Jun 26, 2012
Ever wonder where the Koch Brothers get their money from to have the control that they do over our American right Wing party??? Why IRAN of course. The building of methanol plants in Iran by paying off dealers is helping them make the billions they make each year, which of course gets directly funenled to right wing candidates who support de-regulation so they can continue the deeds. Herewith, a feew highlights from some their dealings....Great PR Watch article:

KOCH INDUSTRIES EXPOSED FOR BRIBERY, SECRET IRAN SALES AND MOREby Rebekah Wilce — October 5, 2011 - 7:17am
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/10/11055/koc...

Late Sunday night, after a flurry of PR flack-directed prebuttals that had eyebrows arching and anticipation building, Bloomberg Markets Magazine released an epic exposé about Koch Industries' misdeeds during the last three decades.

Fifteen Bloomberg journalists from around the world contributed to the story.

What did they uncover?

BRIBERY

Bloomberg reports that employees of a Koch Industries unit in France called Koch-Glitsch made "improper payments to secure contracts in six countries dating back to 2002, authorized by the business director." The activity was uncovered in May 2008 by a Koch Industries compliance officer, Ludmila Egorova-Farines, who was hired to investigate allegations the French unit had been awarding improper salary increases -- not to investigate bribery.

These six years of "improper payments" were made in Algeria, Egypt, India, Morocco, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia. "The only thing that would seriously impact the profitability and continuity of Koch Industries was a compliance issue," former Koch-Glitsch managing director for the U.K., Ged Horner, told Bloomberg. To avoid a bribery scandal like that faced by Siemens AG, the company placed the responsibility on the business director of Koch-Glitsch France, Leon Mausen, and fired him in December 2008.

SALES TO IRAN

Bloomberg also reports that Koch Industries "sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism." U.S. companies have been banned from trading with Iran since 1995, but Koch made sales through its foreign subsidiaries as recently as 2007.

George Bentu, a sales engineer from 2001 to 2007 for Koch-Glitsch in Germany, was interviewed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2008 about these trades. "Every single chance they had to do business with Iran, or anyone else, they did," Bentu said.

Bentu was forced out of the company in April 2007.

According to the article, the company took "elaborate steps to ensure that its U.S.-based employees weren't involved in the sales to Iran " to avoid technically violating the law.

STEALING OIL ON INDIAN LAND
In May 1989, estranged Koch brother Bill, twin brother of David, told the Senate special committee on investigations of a scheme to steal oil on Indian land. "According to data the committee compiled, Koch took 1.95 million barrels of oil it didn't pay for from 1986 to 1988.

FBI agent Richard Elroy told the committee, "The theft is widespread and pervasive, and these people are being horribly victimized."

The Senate referred the case to the Justice Department, but no indictment followed.

However, in a December 1999 civil trial brought by Bill Koch, the jury found that "Koch Industries had made 24,587 false claims in buying oil, underpaying the U.S. government for royalties on Native American land from 1985 to 1989."

KOCH AND THE AMERICAN LEGISLATIVE EXCHANGE COUNCIL
Given the Kochs' history of environmental violations and efforts to skirt U.S. law, it is little wonder they have funded a broad array of organizations that seek to dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency, deny climate science that justifies many environmental regulations, and otherwise deregulate the economy in ways that benefit Koch Industries' bottom line.
tip

United States

#2 Jun 26, 2012
Koch addiction has become a leftwing pandemic.
As a compassionate conservative, I urge you to seek professional help.

Since: Oct 11

Columbus, OH

#3 Jun 26, 2012
Truth hurts, don't it??? We didn't make this up...
Conservative

Greenville, OH

#4 Jun 26, 2012
Shall we discuss Buffet owing a billion in back taxes or Soros conviction of insider trading in France and both etc. etc. etc.
tip

United States

#5 Jun 26, 2012
Progressive Ohioan wrote:
We didn't make this up...
No...you didn't.
But Bloomberg did.

Thoroughly debunked:

http://tinyurl.com/cxeyw5u

Please get help.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#6 Jun 26, 2012
Conservative

Greenville, OH

#7 Jun 26, 2012
tip wrote:
<quoted text>
No...you didn't.
But Bloomberg did.
Thoroughly debunked:
http://tinyurl.com/cxeyw5u
Please get help.
Liberal First Commandment:

Thou shalt not let thy facts get in thy way.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#8 Jun 26, 2012
We seem not to care so much any more about corruption. Overshadowed yesterday:

"In December 2011, the Montana Supreme Court disagreed. It found that the state's Gilded Age history of business-driven corruption was sufficient to justify the state's Corrupt Practices Act. Passed by voter referendum in 1912, the law decrees that a "corporation may not make ... an expenditure in connection with a candidate or a political party that supports or opposes a candidate or a political party."

By summarily reversing the case, American Tradition Partnership v. Bullock, the justices refused to reconcile their sweeping statement of free speech principles in Citizens United with the real-world facts -- from Montana's history to today's super PACs -- put forward by Montana and its supporters to demonstrate that independent expenditures do, indeed, corrupt or create the appearance of corruption. Instead, the 5-4 majority, in an unsigned opinion, wrote that "[t]here can be no serious doubt" that Citizens United applies to Montana's law.

"Montana's arguments in support of the judgment below either were already rejected in Citizens United, or fail to meaningfully distinguish that case," the majority wrote.

Justice Stephen Breyer, joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, wrote to dissent from the summary reversal. "Montana's experience, like considerable experience elsewhere since the Court's decision in Citizens United, casts grave doubt on the Court's supposition that independent expenditures do not corrupt or appear to do so," Breyer wrote. "Were the matter up to me, I would vote to grant the petition for certiorari in order to reconsider Citizens United or, at least, its application in this case.""
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/supr...

Since: Oct 11

Columbus, OH

#9 Jun 26, 2012
tip wrote:
<quoted text>
No...you didn't.
But Bloomberg did.
Thoroughly debunked:
http://tinyurl.com/cxeyw5u
Please get help.
Oh, right...so you're using a Koch Bros article to tell you the truth...Well, that's certainly un-biased, isn't it???

Since: Oct 11

Columbus, OH

#10 Jun 26, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zfsvS4v8ZL8XX
Good one !!!

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#11 Jun 26, 2012
Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
Liberal First Commandment:
Thou shalt not let thy facts get in thy way.
What's five or six incidents over decades, right?
tip

United States

#12 Jun 26, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
What's five or six incidents over decades, right?
Oh, I guess you meticulous readers skimmed over this part:

"...General Electric is the Obama administration’s favorite U.S. company (with the possible exception of “green” energy sinkholes like Solyndra). Yet everything Bloomberg wrote about Koch Industries could just as easily have been written about G.E. G.E.’s foreign subsidiaries have done business in Iran, and G.E., like Koch, has publicly noted that its subsidiaries’ dealings with Iran were legal. Likewise, employees of one or more G.E. companies paid bribes to obtain business in Iraq, and just last year, G.E. paid a $23.4 million fine as a result. And G.E. has had environmental problems, like–to name just a few–contaminating the Hudson and Housatonic Rivers with PCBs, along with the Coosa River Basin, and releasing dimethyl sulfate, chlorine, 1, 1, 1,-trichloroethane, ammonia, and toluene from its silicone manufacturing plant in Waterford, New York. G.E. has had product liability problems, including claims of wrongful death that were, tragically, justified. And, while Bloomberg makes a laughable price-fixing claim against Koch, G.E. was in fact a party to one of the most famous price-fixing conspiracies of all time.

So, is Bloomberg’s story titled “The Secret Sins of General Electric”? Or, in the online version,“General Electric Flouts Law With Secret Iran Sales?” Of course not. G.E. is generally identified with the Democratic Party. Does anyone seriously doubt that Bloomberg wanted to do a hit piece on Koch Industries solely because that company’s owners are prominent conservatives? Of course not."
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#13 Jun 26, 2012
Operation Board Games sound familiar?

Since: Oct 11

Columbus, OH

#14 Jun 26, 2012
Consider the sources, here, oh silly one. RedState.org has a devout conservative right-wing bias. It's stated. It's clear and apparent. What axe does Bloomberg have to grind. they've got no horse in this race.

Your pushback using a conservative biased news source is the equivalent of using Faux Noise to combat War on Terror.

Doesn't wash the stink off of Koch Brothers hands...
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#15 Jun 26, 2012
Progressive Ohioan wrote:
Consider the sources, here, oh silly one. RedState.org has a devout conservative right-wing bias. It's stated. It's clear and apparent. What axe does Bloomberg have to grind. they've got no horse in this race.
Your pushback using a conservative biased news source is the equivalent of using Faux Noise to combat War on Terror.
Doesn't wash the stink off of Koch Brothers hands...
For years, Chicago politics has been known as the dirtiest of all. Yet, you focus on your one-sided rants.

I should pay attention to you - why? Convince me you know your stuff, because all I ever see is campaign rhetoric.
tip

United States

#16 Jun 26, 2012
Progressive Ohioan wrote:
...What axe does Bloomberg have to grind. they've got no horse in this race....
LOL. More evidence of your status as an uninformed, party loyalist.

Keep us updated on your citizen's expose on GE and its prominent role within the WH, okay?
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#17 Jun 26, 2012
What, no response to my Operation Board Games comment? Did you Google it yet?

Since: Oct 11

Columbus, OH

#18 Jun 26, 2012
Wait what wrote:
What, no response to my Operation Board Games comment? Did you Google it yet?
Right, like I need to respond to a bunch of birthers and their fantasy board game conspiracy theories??? You'd impress me more if you found other sources touse besides right wing think tanks and anybody-but-Obama conspiracists....

One only need look to Bush and the War Quadrangle to see the real truest consiracy in this country and those actions have taken over 5,000 lives. Try to stay on topic thread here and let's continue discussion on the rapacious Koch Brothers.

Their hands still stink !!
Conservative

Greenville, OH

#19 Jun 26, 2012
Progressive Ohioan wrote:
Consider the sources, here, oh silly one. RedState.org has a devout conservative right-wing bias. It's stated. It's clear and apparent. What axe does Bloomberg have to grind. they've got no horse in this race.
Your pushback using a conservative biased news source is the equivalent of using Faux Noise to combat War on Terror.
Doesn't wash the stink off of Koch Brothers hands...
It doesn't matter where the info appears if it's accurate and truthful.

Your info is always from Left Wing, Liberal sites that post info that is agenda driven. It is not to inform but to further indoctrinate.
Conservative

Greenville, OH

#20 Jun 26, 2012
Progressive Ohioan wrote:
<quoted text>
Right, like I need to respond to a bunch of birthers and their fantasy board game conspiracy theories??? You'd impress me more if you found other sources touse besides right wing think tanks and anybody-but-Obama conspiracists....
One only need look to Bush and the War Quadrangle to see the real truest consiracy in this country and those actions have taken over 5,000 lives. Try to stay on topic thread here and let's continue discussion on the rapacious Koch Brothers.
Their hands still stink !!
You can't do that and say you are informing.

You have to track down opposing articles and reports that may dispel your claims with background and source for the opposing view.

If one says this and the others say, no, it's this and the other can cite the sources for their rebuttal and they are accurate, you lose.

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