Fight over flags in Levelland

Jul 2, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: KCBD-TV Lubbock

This weekend we celebrate our country, but some Levelland residents are fighting to keep flying American flags at the city's cemetery.

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American1

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Jul 13, 2009
 
Took a trip to two other states recently and noticed multiple smaller cemeteries such as the one in Levelland that had not just a few large flag poles in them but one had a large flag pole at almost every other grave site. It's America folks, and if a family wished to place a flag pole at the grave, let it be so. Make some regs that allow for proximity to the headstone and leave it alone.
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Jul 13, 2009
 
Ok just a question...don't people buy the plots where they are buried at??? Ok so if that's the fact let them put there AMERICAN flags up...hello this is AMERICA after all.
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Jul 13, 2009
 
maybe the flag rule would be the light on the flag if left up all night , so put a solar light out there Stand up to your city about this. they work for you.
levelland Citizen

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That is just a bunch of crap if you ask me! I personally hate the people in charge of the cemetary. The people who take care of it dont do jack other than mess graves up. Has anyone walked the plots lately. The mow over grave markers, break headstones (occasionally will replace them) but I personally have been to them several times about replacing the one on my fathers grave and them assholes wont get off their fat butts to do jack Other than put up that damn awning. We wanted to put a white cross on my fathers grave and they wont let us, and they take things of of graves like stuffed animals from the childrens plots cause its against regulation...WTF people these are our families there we should be able to do what we want so long as its not trashy or vandalizing...Has anyone read some of those posted rules...The citizens of Levelland need to take back thier Families resting places!
levelland Citizen

Shallowater, TX

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i say if the city passes this than we schedule a peaceful assembly...go out and pickett like you would for a job...they cant do anything to us and show the city how we feel as well as draw attention to the matter...we need to get word out to protect our right to honor our lost loved ones get people to call city hall and really let them know how we feel about all of the matters to deal with the cemetary
TruAnerican

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I for one hate the fact that the govenment is trying to take god and religion out of every asspect of our nation that's what this nation was founded on and now our own town is trying to ban this great nations symbol. I say what a crock of crap.
Proud American

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TruAnerican wrote:
I for one hate the fact that the govenment is trying to take god and religion out of every asspect of our nation that's what this nation was founded on and now our own town is trying to ban this great nations symbol. I say what a crock of crap.
No sir, it that is not what America was founded on.
Here is a link to a document from 1796:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar17...

pay special attention to article 11

ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

It was founded on freedom, dipstick. And maybe if you want to put all this crap on graves you should take over the groundskeeping, after all, it is your dirt. Or maybe you want your tax dollars go towards paying city workers to walk the graveyard picking up everyones trinkets, moving them out of the way so they can mow, and then replacing them as they were afterward instead of something we actually need. Anywhere else we would call it litter. Also, newsflash, all these people are dead, I really don't think they care.
TruAmerican

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Proud American wrote:
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No sir, it that is not what America was founded on.
Here is a link to a document from 1796:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar17...
pay special attention to article 11
ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war
or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
It was founded on freedom, dipstick. And maybe if you want to put all
this crap on graves you should take over the groundskeeping, after all, it is your dirt. Or maybe you want your tax dollars go towards paying city workers to walk the graveyard picking up everyones trinkets, moving them out of the way so they can mow, and then replacing them as they were afterward instead of something we
actually need. Anywhere else we would call it litter. Also, newsflash, all these people are dead, I really don't think they care.
You know what I'm just going to guess that you wear a rag on your head and you are the groundskeeper...well ya if it's down to the fact that I need to do it so the flags will stay then I will...now go and watch the news and see our president not put his hand on his chest for the pledge and take "in GOD we trust" of of everything...gosh it's people like you that is running AMERICA into the groung.

KEEP THE FLAGS!!!
TruAmerican

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Proud American wrote:
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No sir, it that is not what America was founded on.
Here is a link to a document from 1796:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar17...
pay special attention to article 11
ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
It was founded on freedom, dipstick. And maybe if you want to put all this crap on graves you should take over the groundskeeping, after all, it is your dirt. Or maybe you want your tax dollars go towards paying city workers to walk the graveyard picking up everyones trinkets, moving them out of the way so they can mow, and then
replacing them as they were afterward instead of something we actually need. Anywhere else we would call it litter. Also, newsflash, all these people are dead, I really don't think they care.
Ok also read what I said...it's not even the fact of God it's America.
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I am so happy to see this post. I find it extremely frustrating when Americans talk about a" Christian Nation". We really need to read some history...and it's scary that we don't know it. Thank you, thank you, thank, you for that dose of reality.
I no longer live in Levelland, but do make it several times per year and always plan a cemetary day. This issue, in my mind has nothing to do with patriotism. It has to do with debris. I feel that the city keeps the cemetary in as good a shape as possible considering the "blowing nature" of the Great Plains(and no, I don't wear a rag on my head, whatever that means). It's hard to keep an area free of debris from the graves of those who, I suppose think the dead will come out and pick up unsesecured items. I went to the cemetary in April following a sandstorm. My family plot did have some debris from other graves on it. I personally feel that tattered,faded personal flags stuck on toothpicks did no honor to my father, a WW11 veteran.
In my little Hill Country community the VFW puts flags on graves of veterans for national holidays, picks them up, and uses them again. Wouldn't this be a better idea? I am always amazed when people say they don't want government, including municipal government, to interfere in their lives, but won't volunteer and expect the government to do everything their way.
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I believe that the flag deserves the upmost respect. It should not be left in one place for years. It should be lit or taken down every night.
Proud American

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Jul 15, 2009
 
TruAmerican wrote:
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You know what I'm just going to guess that you wear a rag on your head and you are the groundskeeper...well ya if it's down to the fact that I need to do it so the flags will stay then I will...now go and watch the news and see our president not put his hand on his chest for the pledge and take "in GOD we trust" of of everything...gosh it's people like you that is running AMERICA into the groung.
KEEP THE FLAGS!!!
No sir, it would be ignorant Americans who don't learn the history of their own country that run America into the ground. If immigrants (Legal ones, mind you) have to learn it, why don't you? By the way, I am not a "raghead" as you so eloquently put it. I was a resident of Levelland for the past twenty four years, and am a blonde haired, blue eyed recent expatriate (of Levelland, not America). I have also never worked for the city. I just understand what the issue is, and don't get angry anytime someone mentions taking down a flag. Both my grandfathers fought in WWII, and neither of them fought for a flag, they fought for your freedom and protection.

As for all this religious stuff, you cannot have freedom of religion when the Christian God is stuffed down everyones throat from the getgo, that is why god does not belong on anything from the government. I could care less what you believe, that is your business, But stop trying to force it on others.

In God we trust was not on "everything" to begin with.

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/...

And really, you are going to judge a man because he doesn't put his hand over his heart once? I slept through it once in middle school, do you want to tar and feather me?

As for the pledge, the Under God thing wasn't in the original pledge of allegiance, it was added in 1954, here is a link for your perusal:

http://restorethepledge.org/

There is no excuse for being ignorant of your nations history. They have a couple good classes up at SPC, i suggest you take them. You still won't be getting the whole picture there, but maybe it will open your mind enough to get you searching for yourself.
Proud American

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Jul 15, 2009
 
TruAmerican wrote:
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Ok also read what I said...it's not even the fact of God it's America.
and heres your previous quote,

TruAnerican wrote:
"I for one hate the fact that the govenment is trying to take god and religion out of every asspect of our nation that's what this nation was founded on and now our own town is trying to ban this great nations symbol. I say what a crock of crap. "

I don't really understand what you were trying to get at, but I'm going to go out on a limb. Levelland is not banning the flag, it is trying to clean up the cemetary. Every time I am in town, I still see all the flags waiving (even the tattered ones that I am assuming are of grave disrespect to you, flag lover that you are) from peoples homes, business, and government buildings. What is the big deal here?
Proud American

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Jul 15, 2009
 
Levelland Native wrote:
I am so happy to see this post. I find it extremely frustrating when Americans talk about a" Christian Nation". We really need to read some history...and it's scary that we don't know it. Thank you, thank you, thank, you for that dose of reality.
I no longer live in Levelland, but do make it several times per year and always plan a cemetary day. This issue, in my mind has nothing to do with patriotism. It has to do with debris. I feel that the city keeps the cemetary in as good a shape as possible considering the "blowing nature" of the Great Plains(and no, I don't wear a rag on my head, whatever that means). It's hard to keep an area free of debris from the graves of those who, I suppose think the dead will come out and pick up unsesecured items. I went to the cemetary in April following a sandstorm. My family plot did have some debris from other graves on it. I personally feel that tattered,faded personal flags stuck on toothpicks did no honor to my father, a WW11 veteran.
In my little Hill Country community the VFW puts flags on graves of veterans for national holidays, picks them up, and uses them again. Wouldn't this be a better idea? I am always amazed when people say they don't want government, including municipal government, to interfere in their lives, but won't volunteer and expect the government to do everything their way.
I'm glad to know someone else feels the same and understands. Also, fantastic idea about putting the flags out and removing them the same day. People still get to have their flags, and tax money is not wasted on groundskeepers doing unnecessary work.
VeteransDaughter

Levelland, TX

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Jul 20, 2009
 
Tonight is the meeting for a decision on keeping the flags in the cemetery. Please if anyone is interested please show up at City Hall tonight at 7:00p. A show of support would really be encouraging to those of us who are standing up not for a piece of material, but the meaning of the flag.
Levelland Dirt

Levelland, TX

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Sep 8, 2009
 
Proud American wrote:
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No sir, it that is not what America was founded on.
Here is a link to a document from 1796:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar17...
pay special attention to article 11
ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
It was founded on freedom, dipstick. And maybe if you want to put all this crap on graves you should take over the groundskeeping, after all, it is your dirt. Or maybe you want your tax dollars go towards paying city workers to walk the graveyard picking up everyones trinkets, moving them out of the way so they can mow, and then replacing them as they were afterward instead of something we actually need. Anywhere else we would call it litter. Also, newsflash, all these people are dead, I really don't think they care.
Yes these people are dead, but out of respect for our dead what is wrong with putting a flag out there, do you remember MANY years ago we had a nicce cemetery and park. The workers cared about their jobs, and now it is hurry up so we can play cards. I have personally seen the workers running over markers and headstones. What is wrong in taking pride in your job. I have seen Levelland go to pot in the last 30 years and it is sad as I was born and raised here. Our county commissioners won't do anything unless it is for their buddies, what would be wrong with the prisoners at the jail doing some cleaning up around our town, I know for a fact they do it in Oklahoma and other states, We have the laziest, county in the state. I personally would like to see a change.
Levelland Native

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Sep 9, 2009
 
I don't think we can compare the cemetary of 30 years ago to the one today. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I visit the cemetary fairly often, and think that it is well cared for. The biggest change in the last 30 years is the debris from a fairly new trend of leaving memorabilia unsecured at gravesites. This makes cleanup almost impossible. All perpetual care involves some mowing over gravestones, to mow around each and everyone would require more employees than any county could afford. I have had business dealings with the cemetary business in the San Antonio area for many years, and can tell you that the really nicely manicured ones have mowers that mow over gravesites and markers, and do not allow unsecured memoribilia. The most well kept cemetaries anywhere are private cemetaries that are church sponsored or community sponsored. Perhaps the key is to keep our own families grave sites in the shape we want them, leaving the general care to the county. On the windy plains any cemetary that allows lightweight materials to be placed on gravesites unsecured is going to have difficulty with maintenance.
VeteransDaughter

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Sep 9, 2009
 
We do take care of the flag that is above my dad's grave, and we do have the utmost respect for the caretakers out there. They do a wonderful job. The flags were allowed to continue to fly and if it offends someone I am sorry. We tried to compromise in every way for the lighting situation and it met less than enthusiastic ears. It is now the responsibility of all of us which have flags out there to take care of them and that should be the end of it. One might think, if it is so offensive to fly flags over our veterans graves is so appauling to some, why are flags on shirts etc. not equally as appauling? Sometimes you just have to choose your battles! Do you not think it is time to just move on?

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Sep 12, 2009
 
VeteransDaughter wrote:
We do take care of the flag that is above my dad's grave, and we do have the utmost respect for the caretakers out there. They do a wonderful job. The flags were allowed to continue to fly and if it offends someone I am sorry. We tried to compromise in every way for the lighting situation and it met less than enthusiastic ears. It is now the responsibility of all of us which have flags out there to take care of them and that should be the end of it. One might think, if it is so offensive to fly flags over our veterans graves is so appauling to some, why are flags on shirts etc. not equally as appauling? Sometimes you just have to choose your battles! Do you not think it is time to just move on?
AMEN sister!!!

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