Local parents opposed to bill

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Ashburnham resident Jacqueline Greenough, 58, said a bill that seeks to make spanking illegal intrudes on a parent's rights.
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debra g alie

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Nov 29, 2007
 
Spanking a child is simply physical abuse.It teaches a child to deal with negative events in the future in the workplace,socially,and within the family with physical and/or emotional abuse.There are other methods to end negative behaviour.Parents and child-care providers need to be educated on positive disciplining of a childs inappropriate behaviour.Perhaps with a mandatory course in high school.
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Nov 29, 2007
 
I don't thinks it's appropriate for other people to tell me how to discipline my children. I have two in their 20's and I now have two under the age of ten. I've never abused my children and always try the time out method. What bother's me is what happened to the freedom in this country? We all grew up just fine and our parents used spankings. You wonder why today kids have no respect for their teachers, parent, neighbors, etc. They know there's nothing that can be done about bad behavior because all it takes is a phone call to DSS whether the compliant is true or not. Kids are shooting each other, joining gangs, beating and robbing the elderly. Where are all these victims rights? There's a big difference between discipline and abuse. Someone has got to draw the line and stop this nonsense now.
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Nov 29, 2007
 
Wake up voters!!! When Mr. Kaufman, the legislator who sponsored the bill, when asked if he had ever spanked his own children, repsonded 'NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!'

The only way to part with these politicians and their elite attitudes is to vote them out!
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Nov 29, 2007
 
why stop at spanking,,, next it'll be we can't say no to a child. No wonder America is falling. Govt isn't just in our lives anymore, it wants in our homes.
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#5
Nov 29, 2007
 
just like a politician, what they do is none of our business but they can't keep their opinions out of our business. Being above the law has its good points if you're in public office. No man in his right mind would run for public office, if he did what the people wanted, he'd be blackballed.
gov cant change this

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Nov 29, 2007
 
Spank Beat Abuse; they'll learn from your example as they grow up; when the time comes for them to use what you've taught them, they'll use it; like at the end of the Fitchburg/Shrewsbury playoff game the other night. The teams squared off at the 50 yd line "brawling", because they thought this is how you deal with anger, disappointment, and frustration. Why? Because this is how their parents deal with it; Spank Beat and Abuse is a learned behavior! So is trash talking and marking up your body with tattoos and et al; it is cultural. They learn this stuff from their parents and surroundings. It will take more than government to fix it; it starts at home! look in the mirror!
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Nov 29, 2007
 
common sense wrote:
Wake up voters!!! When Mr. Kaufman, the legislator who sponsored the bill, when asked if he had ever spanked his own children, repsonded 'NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!'
The only way to part with these politicians and their elite attitudes is to vote them out!
In the original story about this, he was covered (at least in the article) by the words, "brought on behalf of a constituent" so, claiming it's not his idea.
Hawk

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Nov 29, 2007
 
"Kaufman filed the bill for Kathleen Wolf, a registered nurse and mother of two from Arlington"
BDN

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Nov 29, 2007
 
Keep intruding in peoples personal life, take over the child rearing from the parents, what more will these clowns do? Half the reason there are so many little punks on the street today is they already know that if a parent lays a hand on them they can call the cops and have them charged with domestic abuse. The inmates are running the asylum, so to speak , in this lunatic commonwealth! Time for the voters in this state to wake up and change a few things around the hog wallow in Boston.
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Nov 29, 2007
 
debra g alie wrote:
Spanking a child is simply physical abuse.It teaches a child to deal with negative events in the future in the workplace,socially,and within the family with physical and/or emotional abuse.There are other methods to end negative behaviour.Parents and child-care providers need to be educated on positive disciplining of a childs inappropriate behaviour.Perhaps with a mandatory course in high school.
THAT IS BULL CRAP ! I am 25 years old and I was spanked as a child ! I am not violent , angry or even think my parents ABUSED me! I respect my elders, have you looked at all these punks out on the street ? Maybe if they got a pop on the butt they might not be out robbing,stealing,doing drugs, getting arrested and god knows what else they are doing! There is a difference between spanking your child and abusing your child! I occasionally spank my daughter, government needs to stay out of peoples home lives and worry about more important matters!

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Nov 29, 2007
 
debra g alie wrote:
Spanking a child is simply physical abuse.It teaches a child to deal with negative events in the future in the workplace,socially,and within the family with physical and/or emotional abuse.There are other methods to end negative behaviour.Parents and child-care providers need to be educated on positive disciplining of a childs inappropriate behaviour.Perhaps with a mandatory course in high school.
What's abusive is to have the state dictate 'normalcy' to your children. Normalcy these days means that the state expects you to be having sex at age 12, exploring your homosexual tendencies, experiment with drugs and to look to the state to solve all of your problems. Thus if a parent dare intervene with their 'neanderthal' value systems, like discipline, or church or Bible teaching, that's considered a crime and should be punished. That's the psychotic thinking of the government and their mandated government controlled education camps otherwise known as public education.

We have a lot of teachers in our extended family and they are taught to sniff out unwanted thought crimes among childrens parents. It's already true that if you spank your child and your child tells your teacher about it you could well receive a visit from the gestapo, DSS. One poor parent told his childs teacher that he spanked her and forced her to read Bible verses. He still doesn't know where the state has placed his child. No doubt she's with a sex offender or something released by a typical MA judge.
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Nov 29, 2007
 
SevenThunders wrote:
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What's abusive is to have the state dictate 'normalcy' to your children. Normalcy these days means that the state expects you to be having sex at age 12, exploring your homosexual tendencies, experiment with drugs and to look to the state to solve all of your problems. Thus if a parent dare intervene with their 'neanderthal' value systems, like discipline, or church or Bible teaching, that's considered a crime and should be punished. That's the psychotic thinking of the government and their mandated government controlled education camps otherwise known as public education.
We have a lot of teachers in our extended family and they are taught to sniff out unwanted thought crimes among childrens parents. It's already true that if you spank your child and your child tells your teacher about it you could well receive a visit from the gestapo, DSS. One poor parent told his childs teacher that he spanked her and forced her to read Bible verses. He still doesn't know where the state has placed his child. No doubt she's with a sex offender or something released by a typical MA judge.
Seven Thunders: Hey if you think that is bad, come to Portland, Maine where the school committee allows a Middle School to dispense birth control pills to students. Memory serves me right that means 9-14 yr olds would be able to get birth control pills.

Also you say that teachers are out to "sniff out" the unwanted thought crimes. Memory serves me right in Townsend a few years past, a female special needs teacher was found on a back road with a kid feeding him liquor about ready to have sex with him. Doesn't sound like that system works too well, and yet the kid wound up with a sex offender. Most damning about that...the school district tried to cover it up.

In short, this bill is brought about by a bunch of legislators, some of which probably live on the South Shore, who don't need a job, and were brought up with a silver spoon in their mouths, but yet are quick to tell people in Central Massachusetts who have to work two jobs, how to take care of their kids.

If government can cover up a case of female teacher trying to have sex with a student, then government shouldn't be telling parents how to raise their kids. Simple as that!
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Nov 30, 2007
 
Unbelievable! What a ridiculous Bill. Laws are already in place that protect children from child abuse. It seems like the politicians and judges in this state are always looking for a way to get national media attention. Holding a hearing on this is nothing but a waist of time and taxpayer money.
What next, a ban on spanking the monkey?
Shannon

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Nov 30, 2007
 
And this country wonders why all these kids are getting into so much trouble. I was raised with a "slap to the ass" so to speak and it has done me nothing but good. I always doubted my parents when they said "One day you will thank me for this", well I do today. People should m ind their own business and actually pay attention to matters that are more important, like illegal immigration, welfare fraud and the dropping economy. Wake up and pull your head free from your ass!
Daisy

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Nov 30, 2007
 
I agree there is a line between spanking discipline and straight out abuse. Most of us babyboomers were raised with spanking. I think we turned out pretty well adjusted. I actually used the time out method for my children. It seems too much is being focused on these issues including to say Merry Christmas or not, prayers in school, etc. If you choose not to do something that is your given right but do not look to change the rest of us. This country is about freedom and choices. You as an individual have choices each and everyday.
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Nov 30, 2007
 
gov cant change this wrote:
Spank Beat Abuse; they'll learn from your example as they grow up; when the time comes for them to use what you've taught them, they'll use it; like at the end of the Fitchburg/Shrewsbury playoff game the other night. The teams squared off at the 50 yd line "brawling", because they thought this is how you deal with anger, disappointment, and frustration. Why? Because this is how their parents deal with it; Spank Beat and Abuse is a learned behavior! So is trash talking and marking up your body with tattoos and et al; it is cultural. They learn this stuff from their parents and surroundings. It will take more than government to fix it; it starts at home! look in the mirror!
I think you have issues, not all kids learn from what they see, they are taught right from wrong and to be their own person. I have tattoos, you have a problem with that, and no one in my family has any. I also smoke, and NO ONE in my family does that either. I also am married, own a house and have a well paying job and I got SPANKED and the occassional backhand across the mouth when I was a child and it did me nothing but good, I knew my boundaries and was never in trouble with the law. I continue to do the same thing with my children and they respect me and have no negative behaavior as a result.
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Nov 30, 2007
 
Daisy wrote:
I agree there is a line between spanking discipline and straight out abuse. Most of us babyboomers were raised with spanking. I think we turned out pretty well adjusted. I actually used the time out method for my children. It seems too much is being focused on these issues including to say Merry Christmas or not, prayers in school, etc. If you choose not to do something that is your given right but do not look to change the rest of us. This country is about freedom and choices. You as an individual have choices each and everyday.
"MERRY CHRISTMAS" and "GOD BLESS AMERICA"
What does anyone have to say about that, did I offend you.....if so then get out.

I totally agree that too much time is being spent on the "piddily" stuff, imagine what this state would be if the important topics were actually brought up....something to think about.
Shannon

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Nov 30, 2007
 
Daisy, you meaning anyone, not you in general....I am agreeing with you. You go girl!
RIA C

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Nov 30, 2007
 
I AGREE 100 PERCENT AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BEATING'S AND SPANKING. PRETTY SOON PARENT'S ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY RIGHT AT ALL. FIRST THERE TELLING US HOW TO EAT NOW THERE TELLING US HOW TO RAISE ARE CHILDREN.
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Nov 30, 2007
 
debra g alie wrote:
Spanking a child is simply physical abuse.It teaches a child to deal with negative events in the future in the workplace,socially,and within the family with physical and/or emotional abuse.There are other methods to end negative behaviour.Parents and child-care providers need to be educated on positive disciplining of a childs inappropriate behaviour.Perhaps with a mandatory course in high school.
No truth in this what so ever! I come from a family where my Mon and Dad hit us, myself and brothers. Sometimes mom would use a stick or her shoe because is she used her hand she would hurt her hand.My aunts and uncles did as well. None of the us grew up to abuse our children or have become violent. On the contrary. We all grew into respectable adults and love our parents dearly. I for one am greatful for the discipline my parents No truth in this what so ever! I come from a family where my Mon and Dad hit us, myself and brothers. Sometimes mom would use a stick or her shoe because is she used her hand she would hurt her hand.My aunts and uncles did as well. None of the us grew up to abuse our children or have become violent. On the contrary. We all grew into respectable adults and love our parents dearly. I for one am greatful for the discipline my parents bestowed on us. If it were no for this I would be in jail or dead by now.
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