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Gardner, MA

#22 Mar 6, 2013
"bigger and bigger government taking over more and more of our lives"
You do realize, the single biggest of Big Government expansions in the country's history is HOMELAND SECURITY don't you?
Oh no that's right you don't because you live in the bubble, the one where the workd began on JAn. 9 2009 and nothing that came before that everr happened right!!!!!!
Just Facts

United States

#23 Mar 6, 2013
and your point is???

Bush didn't start his own little army under the guise of providing helthcare for all, Obama did. Explain how or why FEMA needs to buy millions and millions of rounds of ammunition...you are such a gun limiting advocate...try that one.

Answer...Obama is arming his own little army, answerable only to him, authorized to be under FEMA.

So go ahead and spread your "Bush's fault" BS like usual.
Just Facts

United States

#24 Mar 6, 2013
Of course the folks managing various government departments have been told to make sure the pain is as high as it can be, Obama has always been good at never letting a crisis go to waste, and if he can increase the pain, it will certainly meet his objectives...he is a bad man and is dangerous for our country.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/06/le...
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Gardner, MA

#25 Mar 6, 2013
" the pain is as high as it can be,"

Not quite what the reality reflects, this is Faux Snews wording, all the e-mail said was do what we prepared everyone was going to happen.

Try a valid source of information once, get outside the spin bubble loser.
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Gardner, MA

#26 Mar 6, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
and your point is???
Bush didn't start his own little army under the guise of providing helthcare for all, Obama did. Explain how or why FEMA needs to buy millions and millions of rounds of ammunition...you are such a gun limiting advocate...try that one.
Answer...Obama is arming his own little army, answerable only to him, authorized to be under FEMA.
So go ahead and spread your "Bush's fault" BS like usual.
Let me see if I get this right pinhead?

FEMA, who we might ask to go in and secure a major US city from looting and destruction after a natural disaster ARE THE ONLY ONES YOU THINK SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to have GUNS AND AMMO but you're perfectly fine with the looters having this access?????????

This is the point where your BS comes around full circle and slaos you right in the face numbnuts!
Pierre McGillicuddy

Framingham, MA

#27 Mar 6, 2013
Wow, youse guys is really smart.
Just Facts

United States

#28 Mar 6, 2013
No dumbass, we have the national guard and other agencies UNDER THE CONTROL OF CONGRESS that can manage and be brought in for those situations...Obama doesn't need his own private police force answerable only to him...if you fail to see something wrong with that, you are more far gone than I thought.
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Gardner, MA

#29 Mar 6, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
No dumbass, we have the national guard and other agencies UNDER THE CONTROL OF CONGRESS that can manage and be brought in for those situations...Obama doesn't need his own private police force answerable only to him...if you fail to see something wrong with that, you are more far gone than I thought.
Just how does FEMA become Obama's "own private police force answerable only to him"? FEMA answers to US, it is a PUBLIC AGENCY. Giess it's that Faux Snews dialog again, try getting outside the bubble pinhead!!
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Gardner, MA

#30 Mar 6, 2013
Let's give numbnuts what he wants shall we? Let's give him the answer to Mass SHOOTINGS is, armed guards at every school, kindergarten, pre-school, day care.

If the goal is to arm guard everywhere children gather we'll be needing armed guards at every bus stop, PTS meeting, Library, Movie Theatre, every Mall, every store in the Mall, every train terminal, playground, Park, every dance, after school sport, everywhere kids go.

What about seniors? Oops, every senior center, every old folks home, coffee shop, restaraunt, on and on.

Who's going to pay for all that genius? We the people? Much much higher taxes for all public places, every small business owner would be willing to pay for that? What is the makeup of this armed guard agency? Who trains them Steven Seagal!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/actor-steven-seagal-tra...

You're a lunatic Factless, arguing on behalf of the NRA which btw, actual Gun owner members know by now, the NRA does not support them or what they want for the last 20 years but instead have become the lobbying arm of GUN MANUFACTURERS! That's where the NRA real money comes from now, not yearly dues of caring gun owners, that's why their are by large % supporting background checks and other means of ensuring the wrong people don't have access to guns. Many are disgusted with Wayne's comments after Newtown!

Tell us gebius, how all the details of your plan come together and exaclty WHO WILL BE PAYING for all those armed guards. Who are they, Police force? Military? There's a little something in our constitution about OUR Military being used ON THE CITIZENRY so, do your homework before you spout your next pile o' bile!!
Rollstone

Forestdale, MA

#31 Mar 6, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
No dumbass, we have the national guard and other agencies UNDER THE CONTROL OF CONGRESS that can manage and be brought in for those situations...Obama doesn't need his own private police force answerable only to him...if you fail to see something wrong with that, you are more far gone than I thought.
The National Guard, being "the organized militia of the several states territories and possessions" under Title 10, is under the control of the state and territorial governors, as are the state and territorial guards.

They are not, and never have been, under the control of congress. They can be brought under federal control in time of war and are then under the control of the President in his capacity as commander in chief.

They are not relevant to this discussion.
Just Facts

United States

#32 Mar 6, 2013
Rollstone,

Although there are some aspects of the guards that are still under control of the states, your response isn't entirely correct...

Though originally state entities, the Constitutional "Militia of the Several States" were not entirely independent, however, because they could be federalized. According to Article I, Section 8; Clause 14, the United States Congress is given the power to pass laws for "calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions." Congress is also empowered to come up with the guidelines "for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress" (clause 16). The President of the United States is the commander-in-chief of the state militias "when called into the actual Service of the United States".(Article II, Section 2).

The National Guard CAN be called up for appropriate actions by congress...
thanks for playing...have a nice day!!
Say what

Leominster, MA

#34 Mar 6, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
and your point is???
Bush didn't start his own little army under the guise of providing helthcare for all, Obama did. Explain how or why FEMA needs to buy millions and millions of rounds of ammunition...you are such a gun limiting advocate...try that one.
Answer...Obama is arming his own little army, answerable only to him, authorized to be under FEMA.
So go ahead and spread your "Bush's fault" BS like usual.
I disagree. Fema should be well armed. Didn't you see all the looting and crime every time there is a storm? People breaking into stores and homes and walking out with flat screen tv's and computers. If anything FEMA needs people with better aim.
Rollstone

Forestdale, MA

#35 Mar 6, 2013
Read the cite carefully and remember the separation of powers.

Congress can indeed enact legislation regulating the air and army guard. The legislation is then enforced by the National Guard Bureau, which provides guidance to and oversight of the state adjutants general.

Congress can also enact legislation that specifies how the guard can be called up. They cannot federalize the guard themselves.

Only the president can federalize the guard and when he does, they, as all the uniformed services, report to him. Historically, this has only been done in a few instances; 1861, 1917 and 1940 among them. There have been partial mobilizations in 1898, 1916, 1950 and, since 1991, rotational call ups of guard units on a rotational basis.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#36 Mar 6, 2013
Say what wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. Fema should be well armed. Didn't you see all the looting and crime every time there is a storm? People breaking into stores and homes and walking out with flat screen tv's and computers. If anything FEMA needs people with better aim.
No! People need to be armed to protect themselves from looters.If you are not at least apprehensive about our current government, then you clearly have not been paying attention. And there are enough reasons out there to be fearful for those that are really paying attention.
It is an indisputable fact that the main purpose of the Second Amendment is to afford the citizenry arms to protect themselves against a tyrannical government.--Self-defense, recreational hunting and collecting, although important rights in and of themselves, all take a back seat to the main purpose of the Second Amendment. We have a Bill of Rights, not a bill of needs.

When we have a Government arming Mexican drug gangs (at taxpayer expense) with "assault" weapons that have killed an American Border Patrol Agent, along with hundreds if not thousands of innocent Mexican civilians, we Americans, NEED "assault" weapons.
When we have a Government giving (at taxpayer expense) fully automatic weapons, grenades, missiles, rockets, tanks, mines, artillery, and all other weapons of war to foreign CIVILIANS in Libya and Syria to resist and overthrow their own tyrannical governments, we Americans NEED "fully automatic" weapons.

Last question, would you like to buy a gun?
If not, then shut up, if so, then educate yourself and buy one.
Just Facts

United States

#37 Mar 7, 2013
Rollstone wrote:
Read the cite carefully and remember the separation of powers.
Congress can indeed enact legislation regulating the air and army guard. The legislation is then enforced by the National Guard Bureau, which provides guidance to and oversight of the state adjutants general.
Congress can also enact legislation that specifies how the guard can be called up. They cannot federalize the guard themselves.
Only the president can federalize the guard and when he does, they, as all the uniformed services, report to him. Historically, this has only been done in a few instances; 1861, 1917 and 1940 among them. There have been partial mobilizations in 1898, 1916, 1950 and, since 1991, rotational call ups of guard units on a rotational basis.
Rollstone,

Thank You for the details and I agree...my original point in attempting to discuss something with our forum moron was that Obama has worked into the health Insurance takeover plan, a section that provides funding for hi own private little army under the guise of a youth volunteer organization. He already has a military and doesn't need a domestic nationalized police force, unless he has improper motives. People should be very concerned about this, but like other things that have happened with Obama, people ignore it until its too late.
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Gardner, MA

#38 Mar 7, 2013
Dear dipshit:

Yes, you are wrong, your original point was wrong, your subsequent dodge, again wrong, your fantasies about "hi own private little army under the guise of a youth volunteer organization" ridiculous and contrived.

You're a liar, a posuer, an asshole and you're wrong all the time.

And Stamos' summation of the second amendment is laughable at best!!!!!

The clown circus is rolling on!
Say what

Leominster, MA

#39 Mar 7, 2013
Notice wrote:
Dear dipshit:
Yes, you are wrong, your original point was wrong, your subsequent dodge, again wrong, your fantasies about "hi own private little army under the guise of a youth volunteer organization" ridiculous and contrived.
You're a liar, a posuer, an asshole and you're wrong all the time.
And Stamos' summation of the second amendment is laughable at best!!!!!
The clown circus is rolling on!
I'm starting to change my stance on abortion. Sadly you missed the 'cut'.
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Gardner, MA

#40 Mar 7, 2013
POK fine, a cursory check unvails...

"A few readers sent us this email, which dresses up conspiracy theories with unrelated photographs and selected snippets from a government press release.

The gist of the email is that the federal government is stockpiling bullets, instituting martial law and arming youths in President Barack Obama’s army of “Brown Shirts”— none of which is true.

The email attributes the source of the information to an article on www.itmakessenseblog.com . The site’s “We Believe” page claims that “Left wing progressives have infiltrated both the Democrat and Republican Party.” It also says:“modern liberalism and progressivism may still both support many of the same Socialistic, Communistic or Maoist policies.”

The email’s link to the article is broken. And the site no longer carries the article. But the blog has published other pieces that similarly warn of Obama’s ”‘brown shirt’ brigades” or “civilian national security force.”

This email is the most recent incarnation of a claim we debunked in 2008 and 2010. The conspiracy theory stems from a 2008 speech that then-candidate Obama gave in Colorado. He talked about building up “a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as our military force.

But the doomsayers leave out the context: Obama was proposing strengthening civilian programs such as the State Department’s foreign service, the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps. Not surprisingly, this latest claim describes FEMA Corps, a new unit of AmeriCorps, as an “army.”

‘Army of Government Youth’?

The email says the Department of Homeland Security created a “paid, full time, standing army of government youth.” And the email quotes — correctly — from a DHS press release announcing FEMA Corps’ first graduating class. But that’s about all the email gets right.

It contains a photo of young persons dressed in blue uniforms and holding air-soft guns, replicas that fire plastic pellets and are identifiable by their federally required orange tips. That’s the first sign this is no “standing army.”

And the photo comes not from DHS — as the email claims — but from a 2009 New York Times article. The story is about a law enforcement education program that is affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America and has nothing to do with FEMA Corps.

http://factcheck.org/2012/11/did-fema-create-...

THIS is now Factless' focus having not been able to answer one simple f-ing direct question!!!!

A Gun entring circulation begins at point of sale. IF there is no background check performed, how does the seller know they are not selling a Gun to a known criminal?

Very simple question, no not FEMA, no not, they can get them otherwise, not any other mis-direction BS, exactly how does a seller know they have not sold to a known criminal without a background check.

Very simple and easy direct question, try and answer it without resorting to your usual negative narrative of fabricated Fox Snews BS calling anything Obama does as Tyranny!!!!!!!!
Just Facts

United States

#41 Mar 7, 2013
For anyone that has an open mind and is actually paying attention:


http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2012/03/...
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/1...

Just a few pieces of information out there on things happening with very little being said about it...governments don't work at this sort of stuff out in the open, they hide these things by naming them with innocuous names.

We have already seen Obama do things that should make a lot of people wonder what he's up to...when will some of you pay attention?

He is now even being questioned by some in the mass media on why he tried to inflate the sequestration issues...he loves to create division among people so we are focusing on that instead of what he's doing in the background.
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Gardner, MA

#42 Mar 7, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
For anyone that has an open mind and is actually paying attention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =jAT-BbmqdXEXX
http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2012/03/...
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/1...
Just a few pieces of information out there on things happening with very little being said about it...governments don't work at this sort of stuff out in the open, they hide these things by naming them with innocuous names.
We have already seen Obama do things that should make a lot of people wonder what he's up to...when will some of you pay attention?
He is now even being questioned by some in the mass media on why he tried to inflate the sequestration issues...he loves to create division among people so we are focusing on that instead of what he's doing in the background.
OMG, really Factless! It's all hidden so we should all believe your fabricated scare tactics?

"He is also a member of Oath Keepers and various other local and national Conservative Patriotic groups"

Read all about these guys and their conspiracies.

Amazing, what planet do you live on numbnuts, you're getting crazier by the minute!!!!!

"when will some of you pay attention?"

NEVER, never you f-ing bozo! NEVER will we begin to believe your delusional BS fantasies!!!!!!

F-ING NEVER!!!!!!!!

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