Lenoir City Council What Ever Happen to Seperation From Church to State ?

[Citizen]

The recent Lenoir City Council race all members for years are members of the First Babtist Church in Lenoir. And another member of the church was voted in do you think that a local city should be control in that manner? Note only on T.J. Rhor is not a member of the FBC.

[John Rabb]

Citizen wrote:

The recent Lenoir City Council race all members for years are members of the First Babtist Church in Lenoir. And another member of the church was voted in do you think that a local city should be control in that manner? Note only on T.J. Rhor is not a member of the FBC.

Most of the City Board Members are connected to the church.

[The Dude]

so i guess that all the people who voted them in are part of this conspiracy?

[DookieFan]

That IS the largest church in Lenoir. DOH!

[Josh]

That sounds better then having a queer, negro or a damn mexican running the town. Be thankful!!!!

[Sick of it]

While I think it's highly unusual for people from the same church to be voted into a council, the citizens of Lenoir did vote them in.

Do people who go to church with each other NOT have the right to run for office? If they were prohibited from running for office because of their church affiliation, that wouldn't be separation of church and state... it would be the unconstitutional infringement of their freedom OF religion.

You might not like that the people on the board are Christian. If not, vote against them when they run next.. but your issue here has nothing to do with separation of church and state.

[Thomas]

Sick of it wrote:

While I think it's highly unusual for people from the same church to be voted into a council, the citizens of Lenoir did vote them in.
Do people who go to church with each other NOT have the right to run for office? If they were prohibited from running for office because of their church affiliation, that wouldn't be separation of church and state... it would be the unconstitutional infringement of their freedom OF religion.
You might not like that the people on the board are Christian. If not, vote against them when they run next.. but your issue here has nothing to do with separation of church and state.

If not about being Christian but the church is tne main control of Lenoir City Government. They can do as thet want.?

[Ken]

Thomas wrote:

<quoted text>If not about being Christian but the church is tne main control of Lenoir City Government. They can do as thet want.?

Your right they can, no church or one group should control the city this is why Lenoir the way it is and lack of voter turnout you have this one church to control the outcome they are a 501-c.

[Sick of it]

Thomas wrote:

<quoted text>If not about being Christian but the church is tne main control of Lenoir City Government. They can do as thet want.?

They can do what they want, yes. ANY political body, when controlled by a vast majority of like thinkers can do that.. which is exactly what we are seeing in Congress now. Watch them. Keep track of the decisions they make. If they vote for the good of the city and abide by the will of the people they represent, good. If not, campaign against them next election.

As long as we still have the right to vote, all politicians are accountable to the citizens who can (and MUST) vote them out if they go against the will of the people.

This is exactly what I am hopeful about concerning the marxists who now have unlimited power in the federal government.

[Sick of it]

Ken wrote:

<quoted text>Your right they can, no church or one group should control the city this is why Lenoir the way it is and lack of voter turnout you have this one church to control the outcome they are a 501-c.

NO. Lenoir is like it is because of the will of the majority of people who vote. Want it to change? Get out and campaign for people to vote.

Mad at one church because you claim the people who go there vote and participate in the governmental process? Thinking they control the outcome of votes? You're spewing sour grapes because candidates you do not like won.. that's all. Campaign for your candidate next time, and if he/she has merit, the people will have an opportunity to vote them in. That's the way it works.

That 501-c statement is just a little dramatic. No. If you weren't being sarcastic, it was BIG drama.

People have a right to vote for who they want! Evidently you do not like who won. But, if you're going to persecute them by claiming they should not be allowed to serve because they claim Christianity as their religion, YOU are the one with the problem.

[Interesting]

Thomas wrote:

<quoted text>If not about being Christian but the church is tne main control of Lenoir City Government. They can do as thet want.?

This I think would be the only case of a council being ruled by the same church members in the state, maybe country. Unless their population is under 100 people. I think that some of the local news groups would be interested in this story, I know I am. Not just your local paper or radio, the council can determine whether they stay or leave town. Why is there such a lack of voters in this city? Is every voter a member of this church? Does no one encourage people to vote to stop this. This is perfectly a legit election, only the city can't be governed in a fair way. Any court would rule against the way this council is set up if it can be proven they aren't governing for the entire city and just mainly for the church. I would watch them very closely. Don't ever think they can't be challenged, and lose. I have never heard of such. This not Rome and the Catholic Church, but then again maybe it is after seeing these comments.

[Sick of it]

Interesting wrote:

<quoted text>This I think would be the only case of a council being ruled by the same church members in the state, maybe country. Unless their population is under 100 people. I think that some of the local news groups would be interested in this story, I know I am. Not just your local paper or radio, the council can determine whether they stay or leave town. Why is there such a lack of voters in this city? Is every voter a member of this church? Does no one encourage people to vote to stop this. This is perfectly a legit election, only the city can't be governed in a fair way. Any court would rule against the way this council is set up if it can be proven they aren't governing for the entire city and just mainly for the church. I would watch them very closely. Don't ever think they can't be challenged, and lose. I have never heard of such. This not Rome and the Catholic Church, but then again maybe it is after seeing these comments.

It is a council the CITY voted in. If the citizens do not like this particular council, perhaps this serves as a little lesson: Get out and actually vote yourself! Don't blame the council because the people you don't like were voted in. Blame the voters. The council members have done nothing wrong.

Labeling the board as sinister because they are a certain religion is WRONG. The council members may practice any religion they wish and attend any church they wish. The CITIZENS of the city voted them in. Labeling their religion as something negative IS, however, a typical sore loser mentality.

[Sick of it]

People upset on the losing side:

Watch what they do. Watch how they vote. Note how they govern. THEN campaign on the ISSUES and FACTS of how they govern, not their religion. That's how it works.

Otherwise, you're wanting to infringe on their Constitutional right to worship where they choose.. which is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

[Interesting]

Labeling the board as sinister because they are a certain religion is WRONG. The council members may practice any religion they wish and attend any church they wish. The CITIZENS of the city voted them in. Labeling their religion as something negative IS, however, a typical sore loser mentality.


People upset on the losing side:

Watch what they do. Watch how they vote. Note how they govern. THEN campaign on the ISSUES and FACTS of how they govern, not their religion. That's how it works.

Otherwise, you're wanting to infringe on their Constitutional right to worship where they choose.. which is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Interesting to Sick of IT
The Constitutional rights are every ones business whether one lives in the town or not. I've done nothing that you have accused me of, if you were. I've not accused a denomination, just its people. You are exactly right, watch them and judge them the next election which by the way will do no good, they will still have the majority of votes. How many seats will be voted on next time. After seeing how the people of Lenoir have been trained to follow over the years and by their history have done so diligently I can see why almost anyone bothers to vote, they actually think they have no say. Lenoir is a town of a few proud, puffed people that has a town of completely nothing except themselves. I'm not from there except to visit. Most of the city is nasty looking and looks deserted except where the high noses hang out. If one is satisfied with the little town such as this (no way in the city category) they have lived in very few places, in which I think is the case.

[Big Beautiful Girl]

John Rabb wrote:

<quoted text>Most of the City Board Members are connected to the church.

Hey, JR, how you doing? FBC is a large and powerful church with lots of connections. They know how to do things politically and most of them have a very good education. I'm sure the Church members do get out and vote because they know people who are apart of the people running for office. Another thing, most of the people from the Church are apart of the downtown area by either owning a business, working in Lenoir, or else they grew up there and have remained involved in what's going on downtown.

[Turner]

Big Beautiful Girl wrote:

<quoted text> Hey, JR, how you doing? FBC is a large and powerful church with lots of connections. They know how to do things politically and most of them have a very good education. I'm sure the Church members do get out and vote because they know people who are apart of the people running for office. Another thing, most of the people from the Church are apart of the downtown area by either owning a business, working in Lenoir, or else they grew up there and have remained involved in what's going on downtown.

To Powerful.!

[Libby]

Citizen wrote:

The recent Lenoir City Council race all members for years are members of the First Babtist Church in Lenoir. And another member of the church was voted in do you think that a local city should be control in that manner? Note only on T.J. Rhor is not a member of the FBC.

I already heard some church members comments about Rhor they want him out of there and Rhor know it.

[Big Beautiful Girl]

Libby wrote:

<quoted text>I already heard some church members comments about Rhor they want him out of there and Rhor know it.

Rhor is a good man. Anyone should welcome his input to any cause he puts his efforts into. I can't see why anyone would oppose him.

[Interesting]

This will stretch the imagination of some, some will think it's foolish and silly, and some definitely will not, but it will work. I've saw it create changes in a hurry...... Make a video and commentary of your entire city, every single street and community, all homes, empty business buildings, everything, wealthy and poor if possible, and all and different persons that live in Lenoir and how they live from day to day, good, average or bad and how they provide money for themselves and families and where. Most of the average people will give the info freely, the city officials will most likely not but there are records that are public on peoples public and private lives. Kinds of vehicles, home worth, businesses and land owned, taxes paid and past legal transactions all public records. Keep every persons face off camera unless a waiver is signed. The professors at App. State will draw the appropriate papers in a minute. Get plans for the future of your city and county on paper, do not take any persons word only that is in office or on a board involving decisions for the town you live in, and no one else unless it is fact and can be proven.(DO NOT INVOLVE ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES< THEY DO THE BEST WITH WHAT THEY ARE GIVEN by the governing bodies.) Do not video only the small street party's and entertainment when they congregate on main street. But be fair and honest. Show the closed plants and choices of work in our area. There are plenty of App.students(that are not from Lenoir) that will take on this project in a second for class grades while working towards a journalist degree. They also won't be biased. They have to tell facts and have proof to do well on their project. This will take time but do it as professionally as possible. This will show who your town caters to. Tell who governs your town and how they are affiliated with one another and other board members. Show how all the city lives everyday, not just on the weekend. Give the percentage of voters and it's population. Give the average wages of the part and full time worker. As I stress again, be fair and strictly honest. Keep copies of everything. Send it to the News agencies, T.V. and papers out of town. The people in office in your town of Lenoir will smirk at this post and tell everyone to take it as a grain of salt or joke but in reality they know what such a story will look like to other people beyond the city of Lenoir. Stranger stories have went far unexpectedly. It's just if the fire is set by the correct means and way. I'll guarantee this story will gather interest from places you haven't dreamed if the right people are contacted. This will let and warn other towns what can happen very silently without the peoples knowledge if some people are not kept in check. This very thing is what will draw interest from the outside in many places. Don't send it locally, it will not be told accurate and probably not at all. The process of a legal and accurate election is not the point of this discussion at all, but the intentions and goals of a council are very important if all members are intertwined from the same church as one on every issue. Why not just have and elect one council member each year and let them tell Lenoir what is going to be done concerning the decisions for the town of Lenoir. It would save Lenoir masses of tax dollars spent by the council. After all that's what the people of Lenoir are living with now, the only difference this way it can be called legal.

[Sick of it]

Interesting wrote:

Labeling the board as sinister because they are a certain religion is WRONG. The council members may practice any religion they wish and attend any church they wish. The CITIZENS of the city voted them in. Labeling their religion as something negative IS, however, a typical sore loser mentality.
People upset on the losing side:
Watch what they do. Watch how they vote. Note how they govern. THEN campaign on the ISSUES and FACTS of how they govern, not their religion. That's how it works.
Otherwise, you're wanting to infringe on their Constitutional right to worship where they choose.. which is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Interesting to Sick of IT
The Constitutional rights are every ones business whether one lives in the town or not. I've done nothing that you have accused me of, if you were. I've not accused a denomination, just its people. You are exactly right, watch them and judge them the next election which by the way will do no good, they will still have the majority of votes. How many seats will be voted on next time. After seeing how the people of Lenoir have been trained to follow over the years and by their history have done so diligently I can see why almost anyone bothers to vote, they actually think they have no say. Lenoir is a town of a few proud, puffed people that has a town of completely nothing except themselves. I'm not from there except to visit. Most of the city is nasty looking and looks deserted except where the high noses hang out. If one is satisfied with the little town such as this (no way in the city category) they have lived in very few places, in which I think is the case.

I didn't accuse YOU of anything.

Get a life and stop hating the people who were elected just because they go to church. Judge them on what they DO.