churches should stay oout of elections

churches should stay oout of elections

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Little D

Stanley, NC

#1 Oct 29, 2012
Any Church that passes out material about who to vote for should lose their tax status . One in the county has pass out papers telling people who to vote for and they shoud be stopped at once.
People can make up there own minds and this church in the Gamewell community shousl stay out of it and should take a good look at their leaders if they are dong these kind of things
when

Ellenboro, NC

#2 Oct 29, 2012
Little D wrote:
Any Church that passes out material about who to vote for should lose their tax status . One in the county has pass out papers telling people who to vote for and they shoud be stopped at once.
People can make up there own minds and this church in the Gamewell community shousl stay out of it and should take a good look at their leaders if they are dong these kind of things
you must be a democrat...get over it
Mike K

United States

#3 Oct 29, 2012
Church and state is 2 different entities and should be separate.
when

Ellenboro, NC

#4 Oct 29, 2012
Mike K wrote:
Church and state is 2 different entities and should be separate.
never has never will.The naacp are always in churchs preaching obama.
nobody

Morganton, NC

#5 Oct 29, 2012
when wrote:
<quoted text>never has never will.The naacp are always in churchs preaching obama.
you hit the nail on the head!
Pike Bishop

United States

#6 Oct 29, 2012
It seems that some churches such as NAACP ones get a pass on the political stuff and the others get threatened with penalty.
Most do not realize the threat to loss of tax exempt status only began in the 1960's under Lyndon Johnson.
I say let everyone execise free speech with no limits be it a NAACP or white right church.
Free speech is free speech no matter the color, race or religion. No limits for anyone.
really

Sharon, SC

#7 Oct 29, 2012
Pike Bishop wrote:
It seems that some churches such as NAACP ones get a pass on the political stuff and the others get threatened with penalty.
Most do not realize the threat to loss of tax exempt status only began in the 1960's under Lyndon Johnson.
I say let everyone execise free speech with no limits be it a NAACP or white right church.
Free speech is free speech no matter the color, race or religion. No limits for anyone.
You are correct but in today's world sadly free speech does not exist unless it is "politically correct free speech" and does not offend some hyper sensitive group .
Pike Bishop

United States

#8 Oct 29, 2012
Almost anyone can be offended by anything.
When people start shuttting up and keeping quiet because of the thought police then that group wins.
The hypersensitive need to grow up and live with the fact there are many who disagree and that is the way it is going to be.
Nobody under the consitution is obliged to be stifled, and that includes the people that disagree with me, and there are a lot of those.

Since: Apr 11

Morganton, NC

#9 Oct 29, 2012
churches should lose their tax exempt status whether they're political or not.
Mitt Romney

United States

#10 Oct 29, 2012
I hate all you poor white trash and the negroes too and those Mexican can cross the border while I'm firing M-16's at them. I can't wait to fool you dumb people. I worship money not god I hope you vote for me so I can take your trailers away with a bulldozer.
and

Lenoir, NC

#11 Oct 30, 2012
there is no such thing as seperation of church and state constitutionally or in any amendment.
really

Sharon, SC

#12 Oct 30, 2012
paint it black wrote:
churches should lose their tax exempt status whether they're political or not.
Exactly. Churches are no more than a business now. No longer are churches generally based on helping local communities, but rather now, more centered on being social and political powers. Look at all the major building projects taking place at many local churches. You would think, in economic times like these, the churches would invest in helping communities more and worry less about expanding their oversized buildings, family centers and fellowship halls.
soldout

Cary, NC

#13 Oct 30, 2012
My church of Oxford Baprist in claremont did the same. Any preacher that supports the LDS church should be banned from preaching. If you don't like Obama thats fine and I don't either but to say Romney is Christian don't work. If you vote republican thats great but if your preacher supports it then you better take a look at him. 1 John 2:22 says it all about the LDS belief. you can't change what the Bible says its black and white.

Since: Apr 11

Morganton, NC

#14 Oct 30, 2012
and wrote:
there is no such thing as seperation of church and state constitutionally or in any amendment.
"Separation of church and state" (sometimes "wall of separation between church and state") is a phrase used by Thomas Jefferson (in his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists) and others expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The phrase has since been repeatedly cited by the Supreme Court of the United States.

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." The modern concept of a wholly secular government is sometimes credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" in this context is generally traced to a January 1, 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Echoing the language of the founder of the first Baptist church in America, Roger Williams—who had written in 1644 of "[A] hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world"— Jefferson wrote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."[1]
really

Lexington, SC

#15 Oct 30, 2012
paint it black wrote:
<quoted text>"Separation of church and state" (sometimes "wall of separation between church and state") is a phrase used by Thomas Jefferson (in his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists) and others expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. The phrase has since been repeatedly cited by the Supreme Court of the United States.

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." The modern concept of a wholly secular government is sometimes credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" in this context is generally traced to a January 1, 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Echoing the language of the founder of the first Baptist church in America, Roger Williams—who had written in 1644 of "[A] hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world"— Jefferson wrote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."[1]
People do not realize many of our founding fathers in including Jefferson were not religious men.

Since: Apr 11

Morganton, NC

#16 Oct 31, 2012
really wrote:
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People do not realize many of our founding fathers in including Jefferson were not religious men.
Exactly.

I'm still amazed at all the people who are not aware that "one nation, under god," and "in god we trust," were only added to the pledge and currency in the 1950s because people were afraid of "godless commies."

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Vote Romney

Hickory, NC

#17 Oct 31, 2012
Separation of Church and State is about keeping the Government out of religion not the other way around.

In the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus prayed,“Not my will but Thy will be done.” What do we ask God every time we pray the Lord’s Prayer?“Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”

So what is it that will help to realize God’s rule here on earth?
Electing the candidate that is more closely operating by God’s values and priorities!
The candidate that can best be trusted to keep their word and act in the best interests of all Americans!

Yes! Romney is a Mormon but he is pro-life and he is against Homosexual Marriage.
The Mormon religion requires high moral standards that Romney espouses to follow.
Compare that to Obama who appears to have little or no moral values what-so-ever.

You decide!
Vote Romney

Hickory, NC

#18 Oct 31, 2012
Churches are made up of people that believe the same things when it comes to life style and religion. The Pastor/Reverend whatever you wish to call him is the spiritual leader of the church. He sets the direction of the church and the moral values that a church espouses to follow. While a Pastor may not indorse a candidate he can and does influence his church as too the type of person the church should vote for.
Too say a Church should stay out of politics is absolutely ridiculous.
You cannot separate the values you wish for this country from your religious values.
VOTE THE BIBLE! VOTE ROMNEY!

Since: Apr 11

Morganton, NC

#19 Oct 31, 2012
Vote Romney wrote:
Separation of Church and State is about keeping the Government out of religion not the other way around.
In the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus prayed,“Not my will but Thy will be done.” What do we ask God every time we pray the Lord’s Prayer?“Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”
So what is it that will help to realize God’s rule here on earth?
Electing the candidate that is more closely operating by God’s values and priorities!
The candidate that can best be trusted to keep their word and act in the best interests of all Americans!
Yes! Romney is a Mormon but he is pro-life and he is against Homosexual Marriage.
The Mormon religion requires high moral standards that Romney espouses to follow.
Compare that to Obama who appears to have little or no moral values what-so-ever.
You decide!
Your reply is so full of misinformation, that I'm not even sure it's worth the effort to reply.

Opinions are not facts.

Separation of church and state is about keeping government out of religion, AND keeping religion out of government. It's a two-way street. If "god's rule" belongs in politics, then which god? Only christians believe that their god is the right one, just like every other religion. This is NOT a christian nation full of only christians to be governed. How about we let the muslims in this country run the government and carry out the will of allah? Yeah, I doubt you'd stand for that. It's best that religion stay personal.

Romney can't be trusted to keep his word any more than anyone else. He's already changed his position on several issues more than once. How can we trust him not to change his mind if he's elected?

And what evidence do you have that Obama has no morals? If simply being mormon means that Romney lives up to it's high moral standards, what does that say about christianity? Obama is a christian, and, according to you, he has no morals. Simply belonging to a religion does not make one more trustworthy or moral by default. Just look at child molesting priests, westboro baptist church, and Hitler. All christians, all despicable.(This is where you say, "they weren't REAL christians!" as if you have divine knowledge and the final say on other people's beliefs. But you don't.)

An individual's opinion, political and religious alike, is solely determined by what that individual CHOOSES to believe. Apparently, you choose to believe what the conservative right media has told you. You choose to believe what christianity has told you. Just like liberals choose to believe what they've seen and heard.

When it comes down to it, no one is right, and everyone is wrong. It all depends on where you're standing. Everyone's truth is different. No one knows what is really going on, only what they want to believe.
Slick Willie Romney

United States

#20 Oct 31, 2012
Vote Romney wrote:
Churches are made up of people that believe the same things when it comes to life style and religion. The Pastor/Reverend whatever you wish to call him is the spiritual leader of the church. He sets the direction of the church and the moral values that a church espouses to follow. While a Pastor may not indorse a candidate he can and does influence his church as too the type of person the church should vote for.

Too say a Church should stay out of politics is absolutely ridiculous.
You cannot separate the values you wish for this country from your religious values.
VOTE THE BIBLE! VOTE ROMNEY!
Romney don't believe in the bible he believes in the Book of Mormon! You Moron

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