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#629 Apr 4, 2011
Borneherehowboutu wrote:
<quoted text>Objection, leading readers by deception. You are so full of 5hit. If your going to post what you have given as facts, please study further and post the real facts, not just bits that sound good to you.
Born,

I like this professional response style. It is much better than the "Kiss my "blank" which is too frequently used. One possible addition for you to consider. Can you post retorts with your objections so we have some firm evidence to consider?

Objecting is easy. Objecting with corroborating evidence gives credibility.
gimme some truth

Black Mountain, NC

#630 Apr 4, 2011
gave you some truth wrote:
In reference to your bullship about Republican "wars"......
Presidents and wars they started or participated in.... NOTICE A PATTERN??
(D) Woodrow Wilson - WWI.......
(D) Franklin Roosevelt(D)Harry Truman - WWII......
(D) Harry S. Truman - Korean War.....
(D) John F. Kennedy - Vietnam....
(D) Lyndon Johnson - Vietnam escalation....
(D) Jimmy Carter - riled middle east...
(R) George Bush - middle east...
(D) Barrack Obama - escalation in middle east and world.....
your info sucks
you moron i was talking of the two we're in now.And Libya is more like Kosovo,where Clinton destroyed Milosevic without loss of ground troops..Reagan went to Grenada,a real tough guy.More US soldiers were killed by friendly fire than by the Cubans,that was a good military exercise.At least Carter was trying to do something.Carter also got the Egyptians and Israelis to stop their constant wars (1948,1956,1967,1973);never had trouble since and he won Nobel Prize too.Reagan lost Marines in Lebanon in their sleep;guarded by a sentry with an unloaded rifle.Great leadership there.. HW to Panama but only after the GOP was exposed and needed Noriega no more for their illegal drug and arm sales to Iran(our sworn enemy by the way).Those are all facts you dolt.HW does deserve credit for maintaining a balance of power in the region,by having the WISDOM(seldom exhibited by any of our leaders)to NOT remove Saddam.There has been unnecessary turmoil since Mar 2003.LIES LIES LIES.The troubles Carter had in Iran were related to the CIA overthrown and subsequent installation of the Shah under Eisenhower(a republicanwho also actually started involvement in Vietnam with the CIA).Reagan (who also and did NOTHING when the Marines were murdered in the barracks) was the first president to pay for a hostage held by terrorists(who then grabbed two more,after all Reagan gave value into kidnapping).Reagan also made an illegal deal with then Iranians BEFORE he was president...treasonous.Dubya was the first world leader EVER to out on their own spies,Plame.And all the wasted time collecting bad info thru torture.Dark days in American history. And proof exists that Dubya was warned pre-9/11..Funny and ironic how nothing has been done the Gaddafi until now, even though he admitted to bringing down the Lockerbie airliner and paid restitution ,too.Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and Dubya sacrificed thousands of brave young soldiers for a series of lies..Yeah Reagan And HWBush and Dubya and Nixon real tough hombres.Nixon's AG Mitchell had National Guard shoot American student protesters. Reagan thought he was playing cowboys and injuns.. Nixon even illegally bombed Cambodia.And let me get this straight...You give credit to Roosevelt for WW2.Who are you Neville Chamberlain? Hitler and Hirohito started that shit and a bunch of republicans and democrats and boys not even old enough to vote kicked their asses and lost their lives doing so.Get p'ed off all you want, you idiot and while in the john read a history book.Seriously, you need to read.Just make sure you wipe cause even your posts stink.
gimme some truth

Black Mountain, NC

#631 Apr 4, 2011
Borneherehowboutu wrote:
<quoted text>Objection, leading readers by deception. You are so full of 5hit. If your going to post what you have given as facts, please study further and post the real facts, not just bits that sound good to you.
A pissed off teatard!! Imagine that.What ever happened to "If you don't like America, get the hell out"???
gimme some truth

Black Mountain, NC

#632 Apr 4, 2011
HGR1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything you stated was either askew or just a plain ol' lie. Blaming bush is old and worn out. Two wrongs still don't make a right. The TEA party folks are your MIDDLE class., I know... I am one.....YOUR JUST AN IGNORANT LIAR! Yeah, I said it punk! You say that "truth" doesn't recognize the "facts"... "the facts"? According to whom? you? Give me a break.. you are a lousy fact checker, you have printed NO tangible proof about anything you've said and you morons are the first ones to point fingers and yell "Racist, homophobe, bigot,tea bagger" yadda yadda freaking yadda. I didn't like bush, I hate O and I'm not real fond of you propaganda spouting morons on here either. You all talk, talk, talk, and do absolutely nothing to help anything out. And yes moron, if your not with someone then your against them. There is no grey area. You people are pathetic and think only between your chin and your nose. ALL FU**ING TALK! Shut, get up, put the pipe down and go make something happen instead of being a keyboard commando hippie. No one EVER gets it right according to you two, and I'm sick of reading your bullsh*t. You can't prove a single word of ANYTHING you've stated but you act like it's gospel... oh, sorry.. you retards don't believe in God or gospel. What's the answer smart guys??? What is the point of your babbling and incoherent rants other than to show your ignorance of the real world??? WHAT IS YOUR POINT??? Just idle talk and bullsh*t.... that's exactly what you are good for. You are truly an enemy to this republic and shall be treated as such. F**k off..... both of you.
Whitman didn't lose?She didn't run EBAY? She did spend over 120 million of her own money? Fiorina didn't lose?She didn't spend 100 mill of her own. She didn't run IBM? O'donnell didn't lose? She didn't say "we won?"Christie didn't pad hotel expense and admit it?Bachman didn't take a earmark? Kyl didn't take an earmark?Can you even read or is truth on your ward and reading to you? You're an idiot and anyone with the intellect to read and recognize the facts knows it.You're only fooling your own kind.All the demographics support my claims,tea party support is faltering..Wall street Journal CNN, left wing polls ,right wing polls, Mother Jones etc., Newsmax uses the faltering polls to garner right wing support and rally the trolls.I subscribe to the right wing sites,not to the left.The truth is easy,it is the lies that are hard to understand.Denial is not a crick up the hollar.
gimme some truth

Black Mountain, NC

#633 Apr 4, 2011
HGR1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything you stated was either askew or just a plain ol' lie. Blaming bush is old and worn out. Two wrongs still don't make a right. The TEA party folks are your MIDDLE class., I know... I am one.....YOUR JUST AN IGNORANT LIAR! Yeah, I said it punk! You say that "truth" doesn't recognize the "facts"... "the facts"? According to whom? you? Give me a break.. you are a lousy fact checker, you have printed NO tangible proof about anything you've said and you morons are the first ones to point fingers and yell "Racist, homophobe, bigot,tea bagger" yadda yadda freaking yadda. I didn't like bush, I hate O and I'm not real fond of you propaganda spouting morons on here either. You all talk, talk, talk, and do absolutely nothing to help anything out. And yes moron, if your not with someone then your against them. There is no grey area. You people are pathetic and think only between your chin and your nose. ALL FU**ING TALK! Shut, get up, put the pipe down and go make something happen instead of being a keyboard commando hippie. No one EVER gets it right according to you two, and I'm sick of reading your bullsh*t. You can't prove a single word of ANYTHING you've stated but you act like it's gospel... oh, sorry.. you retards don't believe in God or gospel. What's the answer smart guys??? What is the point of your babbling and incoherent rants other than to show your ignorance of the real world??? WHAT IS YOUR POINT??? Just idle talk and bullsh*t.... that's exactly what you are good for. You are truly an enemy to this republic and shall be treated as such. F**k off..... both of you.
Prove what I said is wrong .read, check,and search but you'll find those are well known facts.You disagree but present no contrary evidence?Are you lazy or stupid or a liar? Perhaps all three.
tea slurping fool

Four Oaks, NC

#634 Apr 4, 2011
"Blaming bush is old and worn out." I agree because after hearing it repeated by republicans for 8 years, we all know it was Clinton's fault.
"Making fun of everything decent" kind of reminds me of republican Larry Craig railing for years against gays and then getting himself arrested in the airport men's room foot tapping for gay sex. No thanks to that kind of conservative family values.
The republican war on working people, their war on the elderly and AARP, the war on working people's unions while giving tax breaks to the rich and bonus to bankers and their newest war on handicapped will pay off in 2012. Even the Teatards will come to see the truth as this power trip continues.
As stated earlier, I do not question the tea sniffers STATED objectives, I question their sanity.
Borneherehowbout u

Lenoir, NC

#635 Apr 4, 2011
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't it funny how one NEVER hears the term, "Liberal Family Values"?
Made you think for once, didn't it?
Told you I'm no liberal but I'm also no sheep. You wouldn't be hearing the conservative family values chant if Karl Rove hadn't used every church and pastor to lie against the dems and used the slogan on the weak to win, no steal the election. Then damned if the Teapers started running with the slogan. Every single thing the Teapers do has or is thought of and accepted or denied by Republicans, to suit their needs at the time. The only chance the Teapers have is to stalk in the shadows of the GOP. This bunch of republicans are right, nothing was or is Bushes fault. He actually never was a legal president anyway. Do you have a place picked to crawl under when a TP member gets caught for foot tapping? It will come in time and you know it. About Iraq, are troops still there? Bush said we won and declared victory. Now that's strange, no that's another lie.
Borneherehowbout u

Lenoir, NC

#636 Apr 4, 2011
Concerning my objection, we'll start with Vietnam first.

November 1, 1955 — President Eisenhower deployed the Military Assistance Advisory Group to train the ARVN (South Vietnamese Army). This marked the official beginning of American involvement in the war as recognized by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.......... Oops, Somebody is misleading folks accusing Kennedy of getting the US involved in Vietnam simply because of party affiliation. The buck was passed to Kennedy just as it was Obama. Eisenhower was republican wasn't he? Yea, I'm sure he was. This is the real fact to whomever. Corroborating enough so far? See you guys tomorrow with more corroborating evidence concerning my objection or if you choose in country boy speak, the REAL true facts. Goodnite.
The Truth

Russellville, TN

#637 Apr 5, 2011
Borneherehowboutu wrote:
Concerning my objection, we'll start with Vietnam first.
November 1, 1955 — President Eisenhower deployed the Military Assistance Advisory Group to train the ARVN (South Vietnamese Army). This marked the official beginning of American involvement in the war as recognized by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.......... Oops, Somebody is misleading folks accusing Kennedy of getting the US involved in Vietnam simply because of party affiliation. The buck was passed to Kennedy just as it was Obama. Eisenhower was republican wasn't he? Yea, I'm sure he was. This is the real fact to whomever. Corroborating enough so far? See you guys tomorrow with more corroborating evidence concerning my objection or if you choose in country boy speak, the REAL true facts. Goodnite.
Born,

That is the way to respond to someone. Not being a jerk, just presenting the facts. Now your opponent can respond with his retorts and there can be a meaningful dialogue.
The Truth

Russellville, TN

#638 Apr 5, 2011
Borneherehowboutu wrote:
<quoted text>Told you I'm no liberal but I'm also no sheep. You wouldn't be hearing the conservative family values chant if Karl Rove hadn't used every church and pastor to lie against the dems and used the slogan on the weak to win, no steal the election. Then damned if the Teapers started running with the slogan. Every single thing the Teapers do has or is thought of and accepted or denied by Republicans, to suit their needs at the time. The only chance the Teapers have is to stalk in the shadows of the GOP. This bunch of republicans are right, nothing was or is Bushes fault. He actually never was a legal president anyway. Do you have a place picked to crawl under when a TP member gets caught for foot tapping? It will come in time and you know it. About Iraq, are troops still there? Bush said we won and declared victory. Now that's strange, no that's another lie.
Regardless of who started the "CFV" phrase, even today the other side of that phrase, "Liberal Family Values", would get no traction. Further, people would laugh and scoff at the phrase.

There is no value in late term abortions. I still cannot understand how people can honestly support that heinous act.
The Truth

Russellville, TN

#639 Apr 5, 2011
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/ta...

Will someone please explain what Obama is doing with this action?
gimme some truth

Black Mountain, NC

#640 Apr 5, 2011
There is no shortage of dumbasses on the liberal democrat side nor on the conservative /GOP side either. Geithner should never have been hired,Bernanke should have been dismissed too.Clinton's secretary,Rubin was a Goldman Sachs exec as was Paulson.Neither should've had those jobs in the first place.Obvious conflict that give credence to the accusation that there is little difference in the two major parties.Larry Summers could very well be evil. Micheal Moore even went so far as to say Bubba was the greatest GOP president ever,considering his preferential treatment of corporations.However the Tea Party common man constituency believes much different that the Tea Party heads believe. It is obvious their leaders prefer to give even more benefits to the rich corporate interests the the other parties favor.They're lying as much as the Dems and the GOP.Nafta was wrong, China free trade was wrong and so was Dubya's Central American agreement.Three consecutive Presidents screwing us ; the TP is no better.Rand Paul idea to limit lobbyist access is brilliant but as long as corruption flows,his proposals will never be heeded.The money opposing Obama's Health Care is spent to benefit the Insurance industry.We seriously need something done on health care,but I do not like to be required to buy anything.And the immoral imbalance is irresponsible.The Dems lie, the GOP lies and the tea party lies virtually each time one of their officials opens their mouth.There is nothing wrong with change but we must adhere to the constitution.But no one has ever proven wring one single criticism I've posted about the Tea Party.They're no better that the other alternatives and it is obvious if one looks objectively.I tirelessly search for facts and use multiple sources.They do say and do the things I've relayed.Our entire country deserves more efficient government than we have received.Not just segments of elitists.DUH. But don't throw the baby out with the water.Tea Party is so clearly pro big business and deceptive,so sad everyone doesn't realize it.Scott walker's behavior, the Kochs' involvement,the candidates they present are wealthy opportunists (IBM head and Ebay head etc) who'd rather purchase an office than kiss a baby.Bachman lies, Kyl lies.Clinton lied,Dubya, lied, his daddy lied, Nixon lied. Obama hasn't done enough to stem corporate abuse,merely wagging a finger at them. And I'll say it here again.Dubya should have been impeached for the Iraqi War and refusal to go to congress. And though there is a huge difference in Libya and Iraq,Obama should've went to congress too.There are situations that could hypothetically arise where time is essential and preventing murder is always the honorable thing to do. But if a dime is spent or an American soldier is put in harm's way,the Constitution DEMANDS Congressional oversight.I just don't see the TP being any different.They apparently support the war,in contradiction of the libertarian principles they claim to possess.They are opportunists seeking election and not righteousness.They won't even separate from the GOP they apparently hold in contempt.Ron Paul got the ball rolling and left as soon as the corporatist hijacked them.We need a much better alternative. The is no sin being lied to,however blindly accepting and tolerating and spreading those lies is grossly irresponsible.To shallowly blame only the liberals is grotesque misbehavior and a lie.Like sentencing the wrong man for a crime and letting the guilty go free.And I have not made one statement on this forum that cannot be validated ever,and I post more raw data than anyone here.Show where I've ever been PROVEN wrong.They're not my facts,I do not possess nor own the truth.I only possess a willingness to search for it.They are there for the world to see.
tea slurping fool

Four Oaks, NC

#641 Apr 5, 2011
The budget dog and pony show presented by republicans and democrats as well as the proposals presented by the TP republican branch is within itself a complete lie. Each claims to have the solution to our budget woes in that their cuts are the best ones. The reality is that if the government shut down Friday and never spends another dime for a year, the national debt will remain just about where it is today. The reason is that the interest on the money already owed equals all income taxes collected.
tea slurping fool

Four Oaks, NC

#642 Apr 5, 2011
Drastic cuts are necessary. Americans can handle it if it is a shared sacrifice, but not if we make cuts to the elderly and poor while continuing obscene welfare to the rich. As pointed out earlier,if we cut ALL spending, we will remain in serious debt because interest on the present debt uses up all income taxes collected . Obviously, we must generate more income as well as making cuts. One way is to require the oil companies to pay the US government market value for OUR oil that we have been giving them so far. Also, we should be charging market value for minerals taken and timber cut off federal lands rather than selling it at a loss, as is is the case now.
We must return to competitive bidding for military logistics and other federal expenditures. No bid contracts cannot continue. The mismanagement and corruption of the past cannot continue. We can force a correction or we can continue to fall for the partisan lies, denials and blame fixation diversions while we descend into financial oblivion.
gimme some truth

Black Mountain, NC

#643 Apr 5, 2011
tea slurping fool wrote:
Drastic cuts are necessary. Americans can handle it if it is a shared sacrifice, but not if we make cuts to the elderly and poor while continuing obscene welfare to the rich. As pointed out earlier,if we cut ALL spending, we will remain in serious debt because interest on the present debt uses up all income taxes collected . Obviously, we must generate more income as well as making cuts. One way is to require the oil companies to pay the US government market value for OUR oil that we have been giving them so far. Also, we should be charging market value for minerals taken and timber cut off federal lands rather than selling it at a loss, as is is the case now.
We must return to competitive bidding for military logistics and other federal expenditures. No bid contracts cannot continue. The mismanagement and corruption of the past cannot continue. We can force a correction or we can continue to fall for the partisan lies, denials and blame fixation diversions while we descend into financial oblivion.
during the eighties,David Koch was sued by his twin brother William for stealing oil from government and Native American Reservation land. David lost and had to pay $25 million dollars(Wm received 1/3 of settlement).Also David Koch admitted to releasing benzene,a known cancer causing agent into environment,paid twenty million dollars fine and had eighty eight charges dropped related to illegal disposal by Dubya's Ashcroft.And tea party darling Paul Ryan today suggests defunding the EPA.Oh yeah the Tea Party is against big business,what a joke .And considering defunding Health Care for the less fortunate.Oh yeah they're really concerned with the regular guy.As long as the regular guy makes more than 50 grand per year, is white, married and a registered republican.And Koch is trying to buy the tea party.Evidently freedom is for sale if you're white,married and make more than fifty thousand a year and stupid enough to fall for lies.His twin knows what we're dealing with."Steal a little and they throw you in jail ,steal a lot and they make you a king"..Bob Dylan....or name a highway or post office after you..
The Truth

Russellville, TN

#644 Apr 5, 2011
tea slurping fool wrote:
Drastic cuts are necessary. Americans can handle it if it is a shared sacrifice, but not if we make cuts to the elderly and poor while continuing obscene welfare to the rich. As pointed out earlier,if we cut ALL spending, we will remain in serious debt because interest on the present debt uses up all income taxes collected . Obviously, we must generate more income as well as making cuts. One way is to require the oil companies to pay the US government market value for OUR oil that we have been giving them so far. Also, we should be charging market value for minerals taken and timber cut off federal lands rather than selling it at a loss, as is is the case now.
We must return to competitive bidding for military logistics and other federal expenditures. No bid contracts cannot continue. The mismanagement and corruption of the past cannot continue. We can force a correction or we can continue to fall for the partisan lies, denials and blame fixation diversions while we descend into financial oblivion.
Much of this makes good sense. The only problem with charging the market value of oil would be the massive production risks and costs of finding the oil. I would certainly like to see the oil companies paying some amount for the oil. If you sit down and think about what you said logically, no one would drill for any oil if they had to pay $100 per barrel to "buy" it and they could only sell it for that same amount.

I would think it would be prudent to make them pay at least a percentage of market value. 40%..50%...? There is some amount where they could still be profitable and we could receive a just amount for the oil.

As you are well aware, Obama and his cronies are as deep in Big Oil's pocket as were the Bushes.
gimme some truth

Black Mountain, NC

#645 Apr 5, 2011
Prosser in primary defeated Kloppenberg in a four candidate race 55% to 25%.Tonight in actual election,with 23 % votes in,kloppenberg and prosser are even,50-50.And it is hard to beat an incimbent(Prosser). The republican Prosser may win,but it definitely reveals a trend of the tide is turning at least a bit. Boehner's collapse is indicative of an unwillingness by the Tea Party to competently govern.The gov of Michigan,Rick Snyder also has targeted any state university professors e mail if the word "Maddow" is referenced;an openly shallow and biased tactic against possible liberals.And their emails to be read. Now that is obviously wrong on many levels, even constitution guarantees of privacy.And Paul Ryan ,the tea party darling,has proposed to drastically cut corporate taxes and rates for the wealthy to unprecedented low rates...25%....lowest ever .Reagan was 45% and some corporations pay zero already.A cut even further than Bush tax debacle(35%) that at least contibuted to the collapse and bailout of '08. And Black Monday crash in the fall of '87,the worst stock crash since 1929,also followed Reagan's corporate and wealthy tax cuts.It has never worked. Reagan's deregulation led to the Saving and Loan scandal of the 80's, that led to 1000 bankers doing prison time.The Tea Party politicians are already going against the desires of their constituents,(by benefiting corporations,hardly pro- working man)if "truth"'s post are really an indicator.Every day another tealie.
gimme some truth

Black Mountain, NC

#646 Apr 5, 2011
If corporate tax reduction leads to job creation,why do we not have jobs now. The corporate taxes are the lowest,with Bush's cut,in over 60 years.It did not work under Reagan,it hasn't worked with Bush and if we reduce it again,the corporations will go on vacation,pass out bonuses or invest it overseas.The government even gives oil companies subsidies but Ryan prefers to cut farm subsidies and Pell grants and health care and veteran benefits and boost military spending.Really clear who he really serves.
gimme some truth

Black Mountain, NC

#647 Apr 5, 2011
Bachmann speaks of a "rug of freedom", further evidence that the Tea Party tramples on freedoms in spite of their claims to the contrary.Another freudian slip???I bet her "welcome" mat actually says "freedom".

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Engelhard NC

#648 Apr 5, 2011
Borneherehowboutu wrote:
<quoted text>Objection, leading readers by deception. You are so full of 5hit. If your going to post what you have given as facts, please study further and post the real facts, not just bits that sound good to you.
Objection overruled....... what facts would you like? The true facts are as they were stated in that individuals post. How do you figure they aren't correct? Anyone can google it and see that it IS correct. Are you really that ignorant or what?? I don't get it unless you truly are mentally retarded. In what way would you like the facts twisted to serve you better? OK, Every Republican started ALL wars... Bzzzzzzzzz, wrong answer......... Heres you some facts.... the KKK was founded by the DEMOCRAPS, every piece of civil rights legislation ever introduced was opposed by the DEMOCRAPS, All socialist and communist are DEMOCRAPS....In 2004 who lied about Fannie mae and Freddie and caused the housing bubble burst that lead to this recession? Democraps in a DEMOCRAP controlled congress. Who just got thrown out on their asses for being incompetent and treasonous in November? DEMOCRAPS.
What party will never be trusted again? DEMOCRAPS. Your a waste of air and my time Richard noggin.. Go back down in your mom's basement and come back to talk to us when the stupidity wears off.

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