The Zahra Baker Trial

The Italian police's overheated interpretation of Knox's behaviour was a particularly pungent manifestation of a universal trait, one that frequently leads criminal investigators and juries astray: overconfidence in our ability to read someone else's state of mind simply by looking at them. This is not a uniquely modern error, born of pop psychology books. Sixty-nine investigators were played video-recorded versions of a rape victim's statement, with the role of victim played by an actress. The wording of the statement in each version was exactly the same, but the actress delivered it with varying degrees of emotion. The investigators, who prided themselves on their objectivity, turned out to be heavily influenced in their judgments by assumptions about the victim's demeanour: she was judged most credible when crying or showing despair.

In reality, rape victims react in the immediate aftermath of the event in a variety of ways: some are visibly upset; others are subdued and undemonstrative. There is, unsurprisingly, no universal reaction to being raped. The detectives were relying on their instincts, and their instincts turned out to be constructed from inherited and unreliable notions about women in distress.

Professional interrogators remain stubbornly convinced of their ability to tell if a person is being truthful simply by observing them. The lawyer and fraud expert Robert Hunter has termed this misapprehension "the demeanour assumption". He points out that it underpins the notions of oral evidence and jury trials; those who watch witnesses give evidence are assumed to be best placed to judge whether they are telling the truth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/08/a...

Lots of people JUDGED Adam Baker(and Karen), in THIS way.....
WRONG!

~cont~
It is astonishing how quick we are to draw conclusions about how a person ought to look or behave in circumstances we haven't ourselves even come close to experiencing. How many of us have returned to our home after a night away to discover that our flatmate has been brutally murdered? How many of us can know what it feels like to be at the sharp end of a punishing interrogation, in a foreign country, carried out by men in uniform who seem absolutely convinced that they know what happened, who are as certain as we are confused, fearful and exhausted? None of us. And yet we feel free to blithely pronounce, from a great distance, on whether someone in this situation is "acting weird" or not.

amazed wrote:

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And just what would be the point of leaving this 'fake trail'? Why implicate that you were from PA and traveled to Ireland? It makes no sense at all....imo
Plus, no one linked to it or anything until YOU did!

I agree with you, Amazed. But apparently we are just not "smart" enough to understand. LMAO

amazed wrote:

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And just what would be the point of leaving this 'fake trail'? Why implicate that you were from PA and traveled to Ireland? It makes no sense at all....imo
Plus, no one linked to it or anything until YOU did!

Just like the whole BitTorrent/child porn deal.
That discussion took place at least 7 months ago.
Djs51 acts like this bothers it so much - SO why did it bring it back up? Makes no sense.
Then decides I'm a dangerous stalker when I reply to it.

Djs51 wrote:

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YOU wouldn't 'understand'....IF I told you :)

In other words, you have no answers so you are just going to resort to your normal M.O. Insults and diversion. I understand. Typical behavior for you.

Curious wrote:

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I agree with you, Amazed. But apparently we are just not "smart" enough to understand. LMAO

Yeah...LOL

King George wrote:

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Just like the whole BitTorrent/child porn deal.
That discussion took place at least 7 months ago.
Djs51 acts like this bothers it so much - SO why did it bring it back up? Makes no sense.
Then decides I'm a dangerous stalker when I reply to it.

Shes done this time and time again. Claims something is so upsetting or derogatory towards her yet she posts it here over and over...even if it came from FB or where ever. Makes no sense at all!

Curious wrote:

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I agree with you, Amazed. But apparently we are just not "smart" enough to understand. LMAO

TFMs are NOT "smart" enuf to.
YOU said iT:)

King George wrote:

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Just like the whole BitTorrent/child porn deal.
That discussion took place at least 7 months ago.
Djs51 acts like this bothers it so much - SO why did it bring it back up? Makes no sense.
Then decides I'm a dangerous stalker when I reply to it.

"I" didn't SAY you were a 'dangerous stalker'.......
Hee Hee DID....ha ha
...and WE'VE TOLD you, TFMs, we are NOT....the same people!

Hee Hee
Weaverville, NC
Reply »|Report Abuse|Judge it!|#3971 5 hrs ago

Deb, KG is a stalker that for some reason is obsessed with you. Talk about 24/7 on line and that statement appears to fit her!!! Stalkers are dangerous!
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I MOST definitely AGREED with HER tho.....
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Djs51
Danville, KY
Reply »|Report Abuse|Judge it!|#3973 5 hrs ago

Seems that way...doesn't it....H
Someone is trying to 'discredit me' or 'set' me up....it seems...
**********

TAKE iT....OR....leave iT.....
Makes me....NO Difference.......

It will "clear it UP"....on this 'board'
for the ones......... who DO "understand ;-)

There ARE 'some' :)

Djs51 wrote:

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TFMs are NOT "smart" enuf to.
YOU said iT:)

I actually feel very sorry for you. You are like a neglected child seeking attention. To you even negative attention is better than no attention at all. I think that is why you bring up negative posts about you from where ever they may be from. You know if you do that someone will comment back to you. I feel bad that your self esteem is so low that you feel the need to do that. It's very sad and I hope that your life gets better. And for the record, I do not think that you had anything to do with Zahra's death, or that you are in any way connected to AB. JMO

Curious wrote:

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I actually feel very sorry for you. You are like a neglected child seeking attention. To you even negative attention is better than no attention at all. I think that is why you bring up negative posts about you from where ever they may be from. You know if you do that someone will comment back to you. I feel bad that your self esteem is so low that you feel the need to do that. It's very sad and I hope that your life gets better. And for the record, I do not think that you had anything to do with Zahra's death, or that you are in any way connected to AB. JMO

Do YOU "honestly think"....this IS the "ONLY PLACE I GO".....
on the Internet???????:-D

YOU "better" think again.......numbNuTz

I've "HAD" enuf "attention"....to
"Last a LifeTime"...... Thank you :)

If a person with multiple personalities......
as YOU....TFMs HAVE Said...."I" have.....
....threatens "suicide".....

......is that considered a "hostage" situation?:-D

You may not have accused her of having child porn but you said she may be associated with it. I don't know about any of the rest of you, but if someone said I was associated with child porn, they would be drinking their dinner through a straw for a month!

Please watch this commercial Budweiser did after 9/11. They only aired it once so as not to benefit financially from it - they just wanted to acknowledge the tragic event ......

Thanks for this beautiful tribute.

&fe ature=related

lumbergh wrote:

You may not have accused her of having child porn but you said she may be associated with it. I don't know about any of the rest of you, but if someone said I was associated with child porn, they would be drinking their dinner through a straw for a month!

Thank you <3
I wanted to SAY that......
just not in that... "kind way" :)

There is a program coming on about.....
"Bullying"
on CNN.......@ 8PM

Those of you who continue to argue with DJS51 and her aliases are no better than she is. Get a grip! She makes you all look stupid.

Do something constructive with your time.

Djs51 wrote:

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Do YOU "honestly think"....this IS the "ONLY PLACE I GO".....
on the Internet???????:-D
YOU "better" think again.......numbNuTz
I've "HAD" enuf "attention"....to
"Last a LifeTime"...... Thank you :)

That's good. I hope that you are truely happy and that I am misreading your posts. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Hope your weather has been as beautiful as mine.

Smarterthanyou wrote:

Those of you who continue to argue with DJS51 and her aliases are no better than she is. Get a grip! She makes you all look stupid.
Do something constructive with your time.

Heyyyyyy......I agree with THIS part.....

"Get a grip! She makes you all look stupid," said Smarterthanyou :)

B
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T

NOT this.....
"Those of you who continue to argue with DJS51 and her aliases are no better than she is," said Smarterthanyou.

I do NOT use ANY aliases any MORE!
When I do, and SEE iT....I say it IS mine........

Sooooo iT seems.....THEY, TFMs are no "Dumberthanyou"..... .

Sorry 'bout ya luck ;-)