Fatal shooting at LDS church

Fatal shooting at LDS church

There are 24 comments on the www.abc4.com story from Jan 6, 2008, titled Fatal shooting at LDS church. In it, www.abc4.com reports that:

Police in Utah County are investigating a fatal shooting at a meetinghouse of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

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No Problem

Winnemucca, NV

#1 Jan 6, 2008
Shame.
No Problem

Winnemucca, NV

#2 Jan 6, 2008
Will they still spend "time and eternity" with each other though?
I miss Mohan

United States

#3 Jan 20, 2008
Maybe this was a blessing in disguise. Maybe the children will leave the church (Once they are adults of course. It is a given that the family will still indoctrinate and brainwash the children as their guardians.) after they see what the church has done to the father.
tex

Duarte, CA

#4 May 9, 2008
Protective orders don't work. Are women allowed to carry weapons in that religion?
NoDeal

Spring, TX

#5 Jul 26, 2008
Deal or no deal?
chris sovine

Columbia, MO

#6 Jul 29, 2008
i'm a mormon and live in pleasant grove utah. and on a mission. am i gonna be brain washed when i get home by my church and family. and made start dating a girl as soon as i get home and marry her and have a baby in 9 months. thats the way the chuch wants it . read the missionaries rules. what if i don't want to get married for a yar or two. and don't want to get married in a temple. i'll get married when i get ready not when the church wants me to. on my time not there's. let me get to find the right girl for me christopher ivan sovine
Brad

Englewood, CO

#7 Aug 11, 2008
Chris, If you actually are a missionary (I was one) you'll find that at the end of your mission, your mission President will interview you & make it clear that the church has no timetable for you to get married. If you have concerns ask your President now & he'll set your mind at ease. Don't listen to the anti's.

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#8 Aug 11, 2008
chris sovine wrote:
i'm a mormon and live in pleasant grove utah. and on a mission. am i gonna be brain washed when i get home by my church and family. and made start dating a girl as soon as i get home and marry her and have a baby in 9 months. thats the way the chuch wants it . read the missionaries rules. what if i don't want to get married for a yar or two. and don't want to get married in a temple. i'll get married when i get ready not when the church wants me to. on my time not there's. let me get to find the right girl for me christopher ivan sovine
pardon me for asking but are you truly a missionary? I would think it against the rules for you to be posting on topix. furthermore I will agree with Brad, if you are a missionary and this is a concern for you, you should speak with your mission president. You don't have to get married right away. many missionaries who have finished their mission return to college once they are released, not get married.

“"LDS Christian"”

Since: Nov 07

Orem, UT

#9 Aug 11, 2008
chris sovine wrote:
i'm a mormon and live in pleasant grove utah. and on a mission. am i gonna be brain washed when i get home by my church and family. and made start dating a girl as soon as i get home and marry her and have a baby in 9 months. thats the way the chuch wants it . read the missionaries rules. what if i don't want to get married for a yar or two. and don't want to get married in a temple. i'll get married when i get ready not when the church wants me to. on my time not there's. let me get to find the right girl for me christopher ivan sovine
Don't know where you got your information? Doesn't jive with what my son was told after his mission but each Mission President is different and maybe you just misunderstood him just a little bit. Many are concerned about courtships that last too long and then many fall to morality issues. So no long engagements are good advice. But there is no time table to finding the right one. My one son has been home for 2 years now and he has still not found Miss Right...he has lots of schooling ahead of him and he has been dating but he'll know the one when the time and person are right. Everyone is different and marriage is a serious commitment
not to be entered into lightly.
And what kind of mission are you on that you can be on Topix????

Since: Jan 08

Draper, UT

#10 Aug 11, 2008
I don't believe you're on a mission.
pgut

United States

#11 Aug 12, 2008
chris sovine wrote:
i'm a mormon and live in pleasant grove utah. and on a mission. am i gonna be brain washed when i get home by my church and family. and made start dating a girl as soon as i get home and marry her and have a baby in 9 months. thats the way the chuch wants it . read the missionaries rules. what if i don't want to get married for a yar or two. and don't want to get married in a temple. i'll get married when i get ready not when the church wants me to. on my time not there's. let me get to find the right girl for me christopher ivan sovine
i grew up in pg, ut in the same ward as chris sovine and he is on a mission in oklahoma city. from what i hear from your mom chris, you are getting lost in the work and doing a great job as a missionary. you know that you dont have to get home as soon as you get married. i dont know who told you that but never once in a sacrament or sunday school class that ive had with you since we were kids did anybody say that missionaries have to get married as soon as they are back from serving.
Colby PG ut

Columbus, NE

#12 Aug 19, 2008
Chris...if you truly are serving a mission then you won't have to worry about girls, dating, family, etc. All you have to worry about is teaching the only true gospel on this earth. like pgut says, your mom says you got lost in the work. Obviously you haven't! I am from P.G. 1340N. 340E. I have never heard from any bishop, stake president, etc, etc. that you HAVE to do anything. The gospel is set up for people to be happy, our gospel is not a gospel of tying someone down to something. The Church does not say, "You have to serve 2 years of your life when you are 19". You make that choice, your church leaders, your parents, etc. may have encouraged you because its the right thing to do but it is yoru choice. You have your agency, and I know God will bless you if you use it to do righteous things. I have been blessed because of rigteous decisions made, I have been hurt by unrigteous decisions I have made...good luck, I hope you find someone in time that will make you happy and give you a life of eternal joy.
a true christian

Canada

#13 Sep 10, 2008
God is the only way, there is only one GOD.You have a man in your church in Eagle Mountain with an assualt charge against him, he committed adultery and he sexually assaulted his sister yet he's allowed to teach Sunday school. Freaky. What sort of people do you let into your church?
The man

Canada

#14 Sep 10, 2008
chris sovine wrote:
i'm a mormon and live in pleasant grove utah. and on a mission. am i gonna be brain washed when i get home by my church and family. and made start dating a girl as soon as i get home and marry her and have a baby in 9 months. thats the way the chuch wants it . read the missionaries rules. what if i don't want to get married for a yar or two. and don't want to get married in a temple. i'll get married when i get ready not when the church wants me to. on my time not there's. let me get to find the right girl for me christopher ivan sovine
So sorry to hear but you're already brainwashed. mormonism is a cult not a religion. No religion should tell you when to get married, have kids, or control you the way the lds church does. Been there done that and won't go back. GET OUT!
wade

Columbia, MO

#15 Nov 15, 2008
this kid needs to know that its up to him who he marries. not his church or his parents. marry the girl he wants. even if she's not mormon. let him be happy
Anonymous

North Salt Lake, UT

#16 Nov 17, 2008
I grew up as a Mormon, lived as one as a young man, and finally got out in my 20's. I used to be a "temple going pious mormon" which translates as a brain-washed bigot that viewed non-mormons as being little more than satan's right hand man.

The 'religion' is so divorced from Christianity and human compassion, it is little wonder that we keep hearing about crimes occurring in the church.

Mormonism believes that the main motivation of most people is family, and they play on the fears of the loss of one's relationship, the feeling of being needed, belonging and anything else related to it. The young Mormons are first broken down as not being good enough, until they first become a new man or compliant servant of the church, then bring more people into the church, and then, they are made to appear as Gods in the eyes of the young women. They poison everyone's mind with anticipation of loss and guilt of being then offer a temple marriage to solve the problem, and it just keeps repeating.

And then, there is the topic of taking 10% of your money, under threat of being burned alive when the second coming happens, if you haven't keep up on it, which I won't even go into here.

I left when I started my education and ran across several bishops and stake presidents taking a neuro-linguistic programming workshop I was currently attending. I asked one of them why he was there, and he coldly said "How else are we supposed to keep them in line?" Another said he based his Sunday talks on conveying the message "If you do not act like me, then you are not good enough." Probably the only truths that has ever come out of their mouths.

I left and had my name removed from church records, and my life improved ever since.

Look up the church denounced films on youtube of mormon doctrine, that is exactly what they taught us in priesthood.

They focus on obedience, humbleness, service and all of the other attributes which have been traditionally associated with slaves since the dawn of history, while giving the members a healthy dose of self-righteous ego. It took me years to get back to a normal state of mind in which I started thinking of people as simply people, not higher or lower, better or evil.

We were taught that anyone who does not follow church teachings is unhappy, and if they appeared to still be happy, that "they wouldn't be later," yet after I left, I have felt far better than I ever did inside. I realize that back then... I was living on fear. All mormons are.

There are a few nice mormons but even so, they are still living in a delusion.

My heart goes out to this poor Chris fellow who is out spreading the lies to more victims. I do not expect him to be able to leave, but may he find the strength within himself to get out and life his own life.
wade

Columbia, MO

#17 Nov 18, 2008
chris when you go home. if your still in the church. be wise don't get married for a few years go to school and get a good job. don't let a mormon girl be the only one you see. there's other girls who you can date who are just as nice and good as a mormon girl. date girls other than just mormons and see if you can be happy that way too.
wade

Columbia, MO

#18 Nov 19, 2008
the only reason mormon boys rush to marry is because they need a woman to have sex with. and thats why they marry the first girl they see. and there parents don't care as long as they do what the church and there parents want. i'm telling chris don't do it. just wait and find the right girl. marry someone who will make you happy not the church or your parents
wade

Columbia, MO

#19 Nov 21, 2008
i learned the mormon marriage just a bunch of words said between a man and a woman. there on there knees in front of a bench holding hands with very few family members there. and theres a roll of mirrors with the couples reflexsions in it supposed to be there past family in heaven but its not its only there reflexsion in the mirror. so that parts fake.the temple marriage is all fake my friend was married there thats how i know
dissapointed

Salt Lake City, UT

#20 Dec 28, 2008
This was a sad and scary story. I remember the day that it happend. I live right by that church.

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