Military hotel bill is rammed through - The Park Record

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Development of hundreds of hotel rooms and a film studio at Quinn's Junction was possibly fast-tracked by a bill the Utah Legislature passed Wednesday, which would allow landowners to team with the U.S. Air ... Full Story
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Kimball Junction Family

American Fork, UT

#1 Mar 15, 2009
Why has the Summit County Council wasted our tax payer money to hire a lobbyist to fight something that would benefit our service members? Mayor Williams statement, "This is about profit for the developer" is laughable. What project funded by tax payers in Park City wasn't about developer profit? Look at the tens of millions spent on additions at PCHS.

The close proximity of Quinns Junction to the National Ability Center as well as the soon to be completed Hospital, make it a great choice for the Service Hotel. What better location for our service members to enjoy some rest and relaxation in a beautiful setting, all with world class recreation at their door step. Imagine the benefit of letting our injured service members stay across the street from the National Ability Center. Not to mention the opportunity for other service members and their families to relax, play and unwind in one of the most beautiful spots in the world. We constantly hear about people that want to give back in this community. How about giving something back to those that already gave alot more than the rest of us.
Tired of Illiterates

Clearfield, UT

#2 Mar 15, 2009
Kimball Junction Family wrote:
Why has the Summit County Council wasted our tax payer money to hire a lobbyist to fight something that would benefit our service members? Mayor Williams statement, "This is about profit for the developer" is laughable. What project funded by tax payers in Park City wasn't about developer profit? Look at the tens of millions spent on additions at PCHS.
The close proximity of Quinns Junction to the National Ability Center as well as the soon to be completed Hospital, make it a great choice for the Service Hotel. What better location for our service members to enjoy some rest and relaxation in a beautiful setting, all with world class recreation at their door step. Imagine the benefit of letting our injured service members stay across the street from the National Ability Center. Not to mention the opportunity for other service members and their families to relax, play and unwind in one of the most beautiful spots in the world. We constantly hear about people that want to give back in this community. How about giving something back to those that already gave alot more than the rest of us.
Read the fine print, KJF. This bill is not about providing recreational facilities for members of the military; it is about circumventing current laws so as to exclude local communities from having any input on this development, or any development in which the military has any involvement, no matter how small. The military would not be doing the development, and military members would just get a "travel discount" to stay at one of the 800 room - that's right, bigger than Treasure Mountain, The Montage, The Ritz Carlton. And rooms/condos not used by the military can be SOLD by the developer to anyone they want. No benefit to military members there. The proposed movie studio would have no benefit to the military; its proponents want to use it to support the LDS movie industry. If this were REALLY about helping the military, then the plan would include a REASONABLE number of units, with the remaining property used for recreational facilities: swimming pools, tennis courts, playgrounds, a golf course. But that's NOT what it is about. The developers are using the military as a cover for violating zoning laws and the rights of people in this community to decide how the area should be developed.
Illiterate

Lehi, UT

#3 Mar 15, 2009
I'm not sure of what Tied of Illiterates is trying to say. I suggest he/she read the fine print of the bill. I have.

1. It does not say anything about the size of the hotel.
2. It does not say anything about the LDS Film Industry. That is absured. The LDS do not run the film business nor will they be running any film business in Utah. Ever!

Consider this. Park City government is corrupt and impossible to deal with. Ask anyone who has had to build something in Park City in the past 20 years who was not a part of the good old boy network. This network has been running the Air Force around for 12 years. They have run IHC around for years. They extorted 7 million dollars (for low income housing to be built WAY out of town for Park City domestic help) and a wind mill from IHC in order to build a much needed hospital, driving the cost of the facility through the roof.

Why should this corruption go on and on and on? Finally a bill that sheds some light on all of this and Park City goes ballistic because the corrupt good old boy network is finally getting exposed for what it is.
Corruption

Clearfield, UT

#4 Mar 15, 2009
I couldn't agree more with 'Illiterate.' If the mayor doesn't call the shots and get the facility built at the Canyons, then he doesn't get paid by Talisker (owns Canyons). We all know that Talisker runs this town. Corruption goes on and on because money greases the wheels. Ask Patrick Putt, who paved the way for Talisker's Empire Pass development when he worked for the City. He now works for Talisker.(Same thing, really). If you want the news in this town read these blogs, because the Park Record won't cover the real deal. Dana was right: "This is about profit for the developer." He just wants the profits going to his hand-picked developer, and to Talisker. Rock his boat and he'll cry like a little girl.
PC Hates Military

United States

#5 Mar 15, 2009
I am ashamed of Park City and Summit County's behavior towards the military. For years, PC/SC have promised to get clear title for The Canyons' LV4 and LV9 - knowing full well it was never, ever a possibility.

It was only a tactic to bring to pass Dana William's quote to pass "buzz cuts will never walk the streets of our town."

And Summit County has designated private land owner's property as "open space" only to drive up personal friend's property values.

Dave Thomas and Sally Elliot should not only be ashamed of themselves, but should be investigated by the Attorney Generals office, if not the FBI as well.
literate

Orem, UT

#6 Mar 15, 2009
I'm not quite sure what is meant by "rammed through." Park City and Summit County knew about the bill all along. Mayor Williams and the council pulled out all the stops and have been out twisting arms on the hill. They are the ones that set the stage for the bill.

Perhaps it is time for the Park Record to get an independent reporter on the staff to investigate the real Park City story. Once that door is open, the purging of the purification of corruption built up behind it will shed new light on Park City and Summit County government.
Knows too much

Pleasant Grove, UT

#7 Mar 15, 2009
"Tired of Illiterates"...you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...none...at all. You are wrong, and I mean absolutely wrong, on nearly every point you have made. I could write a 10 page paper about the bull crap that Summit County and Park City have put the US DOD and the Air Force through for the past 12+ years. If you knew the real, inside stories, you would delete your comment and be embarrassed that you supported them at all. I am proud of the Utah State law makers for seeing through the lies that Summit county was slinging at the capital. I don't know how they sleep at night...oh well, karma will have her turn soon enough.
Tired of Illiterates

Clearfield, UT

#8 Mar 16, 2009
Knows too much wrote:
"Tired of Illiterates"...you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...none...at all. You are wrong, and I mean absolutely wrong, on nearly every point you have made. I could write a 10 page paper about the bull crap that Summit County and Park City have put the US DOD and the Air Force through for the past 12+ years. If you knew the real, inside stories, you would delete your comment and be embarrassed that you supported them at all. I am proud of the Utah State law makers for seeing through the lies that Summit county was slinging at the capital. I don't know how they sleep at night...oh well, karma will have her turn soon enough.
I know exactly what I am talking about. The military DID have a facility near Snow Basin, which is the most luxurious ski resort in Utah. If that is not enough, there are many places in the state MUCH closer to Hill AFB that would be appropriate. This bill was clearly intended to get around Summit County zoning laws - as you yourself admit - and it is being promoted most strongly by the private developers who will benefit financially, not by the military. Instead of building an 800-room monstrosity, how about giving 50% lodging discounts in Park City to military families? Will the Utah lawmakers of whom you are so proud foot the bill for that? Or do they just want to force Summit County to swallow it all?
Illiterate 2

Orem, UT

#9 Mar 16, 2009
Knows too much is right on the money. Tired of Illiterates is simply attempting twist things to make it sound like the US Military and the Utah Legislature is trying punish Park City for wanting to build a facility that will benefit both Park City and Utah.
I'm wondering what qualifies Tired be such an expert on what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. Additionally, this project is supported by a much larger and forward thinking group than just one property owner.
Tired does not bring up the fact that the history of Park City and Summit County government is shrouded in mystery, confusion and corruption that makes it impossible for anyone outside the "good ole boy" network to get anything of value accomplished. Case is point is the IHC hospital extortion Illiterate #1 mentions.
The military group involved here are gracious, trustworthy and good citizens. That is the type of organization we should welcome into our communities with open arms. By holding such a group up to ridicule as Park City and Tired of Illiterates is doing, it sheds a very bad light on the Park City Mayor and City Council. Perhaps it is time for Park City to dust off the peace pipe out and work with this group instead of going to war with it.
Mentally Deficient

United States

#10 Mar 16, 2009
Tired of Illiterates wrote:
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I know exactly what I am talking about. The military DID have a facility near Snow Basin, which is the most luxurious ski resort in Utah. If that is not enough, there are many places in the state MUCH closer to Hill AFB that would be appropriate. This bill was clearly intended to get around Summit County zoning laws - as you yourself admit - and it is being promoted most strongly by the private developers who will benefit financially, not by the military. Instead of building an 800-room monstrosity, how about giving 50% lodging discounts in Park City to military families? Will the Utah lawmakers of whom you are so proud foot the bill for that? Or do they just want to force Summit County to swallow it all?
I hope this idiots aren't getting to you - they just like to act tough because they have a shroud of anonymity to hide behind. It's pathetic and ironic to see a a bunch of losers who've been burned by the city scream about corruption when it's corruption by the developers and state legislators that created this situation.

My absolute favorite was the comment about Dana being in the pocket of Talisker, that one made my day and the poster needs to eliminate him/herself from the genepool immediately.

Bring on the slanderous responses! I won't be returning to this board so have fun slamming me.
Tired of Illiterates

Clearfield, UT

#11 Mar 16, 2009
Blah blah...good ole boy network...blah blah...corruption, mystery...blah blah...What makes this project NOT APPROPRIATE is that the citizens of this area don't want it here. We keep re-electing Dana, and elected the current Council, because they act in our interest - in this case, keeping this monstrosity out. Communities generally have the right to give input in local development and zoning; this bill deprives us of this right. Whatever the motivations of the Utah legislature, they do not have the moral right to void our local community's control over land use in our area.
Totally Uninformed

Lake Worth, FL

#12 Mar 16, 2009
Tired of Illiterates wrote:
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Instead of building an 800-room monstrosity, how about giving 50% lodging discounts in Park City to military families?
Good point. Near as I can tell there's a fair amount of lodging capacity that went begging this year.
PC Hates Military

Pasadena, CA

#13 Mar 16, 2009
Dave Thomas and Sally Elliot should be behind bars.

They have designated enemy land-owners' lands as open-space while driving up friendly land-owners' land values. They have create backroom hand-shake deals to pad their own pockets and the pockets of their real estate good ol' boys' networks.

I'm guessing that the Quinn's Junction land owner would not buckle under Dave Thomas and Sally Elliot and, if I were to do a search, and has been in court for the last few years.

How is it that the FBI is not investigating these two - as well as the Mayor?

I imagine that the military would not go along with that illegal going on's, which fed Park City's fire to keep the GI's off of their streets.

Extorting a hospital?

And don't think this is not coming back around. Park City is running out of water. Plain and simple. And the only way they can bring water into the city is to now go through the environmentally destroyed Snyderville Basin's hot polluted-soil (which I'm sure will cost tens of millions of tax payer dollars) AND go through the imposed designated open-space - owned by none other than THE LAND OWNERS THEY ILLEGALY TOOK FROM!!!

God Bless Texas.
Tired of Illiterates

Clearfield, UT

#14 Mar 16, 2009
PC Hates Military wrote:
Dave Thomas and Sally Elliot should be behind bars.
They have designated enemy land-owners' lands as open-space while driving up friendly land-owners' land values. They have create backroom hand-shake deals to pad their own pockets and the pockets of their real estate good ol' boys' networks.
I'm guessing that the Quinn's Junction land owner would not buckle under Dave Thomas and Sally Elliot and, if I were to do a search, and has been in court for the last few years.
How is it that the FBI is not investigating these two - as well as the Mayor?
I imagine that the military would not go along with that illegal going on's, which fed Park City's fire to keep the GI's off of their streets.
Extorting a hospital?
And don't think this is not coming back around. Park City is running out of water. Plain and simple. And the only way they can bring water into the city is to now go through the environmentally destroyed Snyderville Basin's hot polluted-soil (which I'm sure will cost tens of millions of tax payer dollars) AND go through the imposed designated open-space - owned by none other than THE LAND OWNERS THEY ILLEGALY TOOK FROM!!!
God Bless Texas.
OY!!! My head is hurting already from this garbage! You're in Texas, you"re in California - everywhere but HERE!! Show me your Summit County voter card. Show me your local tax bill. Show me your deed to a home in Park City, your children's report cards from a local school. If you don't have any of those then STFU. Your opinion has no value.
Illiterate 1

Lehi, UT

#15 Mar 16, 2009
Tired of Illiterates, I think you hit on something here. The facility is not being built in Park City but Summit County. Let's hear from Oakley, Kamas and Coalville on this issue.
Compassionata

Hilton Head Island, SC

#16 Mar 17, 2009
I'm dumbfounded people actually believe what's promised is a military hotel built solely for returning troops so they can relax and injured soldiers may heal. I felt my heartstrings tug when I read that one! I can't wait for my nephew,(Air Force -first Irag War, Stealth Bomber detail,) to try and book a reservation. Ha! Like that'll ever happen! Which General got the only room
remaining as available?
Shirin Spangenberg

Salt Lake City, UT

#17 Mar 17, 2009
In my opinion local government is where residents are effected most. For the state to take away the local power of zoning is inappropriate. We elected these officials to look out for our best interest and it seems that the representatives for the rest of the state want to take away those interests. It doesn't make sense. Contact the Governor today.
Tired of Illiterates

Clearfield, UT

#18 Mar 17, 2009
Thanks, Illiterate 1 and Shirin - maybe we can get the residents in the rest of Summit County to get involved. This is not a Park City NIMBY issue - it affects us all. The junction is important to the whole county, and its use should be determined by residents of the county - not be people in Orem and Provo. I am sure there are many uses to which that land could be put that would benefit the people who pay taxes in Summit County.
Totally Uninformed

Lake Worth, FL

#19 Mar 17, 2009
I'm trying to figure just who would benefit from this. The developer/builder? A builder would for sure... it's work, which isn't easy to come by these days. Who would the "developer" be? Would they be condos that would be resold? I don't get that impression, but somebody suggested it here.

Having 800 rooms full of people who wouldn't have been able to afford to come to the area otherwise seems like a plus. They'd be spending $ on skiing, restaurants, shops, etc. If it's just adding 800 rooms available to the general public competing with stuff that's already sitting empty a lot then not so good.

An 800 room hotel in that area sounds pretty fugly though.

Isn't the whole state like 90% federal land anyway?
Tired of Illiterates

Clearfield, UT

#20 Mar 17, 2009
From " skyscraperpage.com ":
Park City developer Brent Ferrin is also partnering with Wadman on the Air Force project. This particular development, according to the developers, is the first hotel of its kind to use a partnership between private developers and the military. Together, they developed a conceptual plan that Covieo with the Air Force said originally envisioned about 155 condominiums at Red Maple, most with a "lock-out" design so that they could be divided and used at times as two separate units.Ferrin said, however, that plans have grown to 300 to 600 units a size he figures is needed for development partners to make a reasonable profit and provide discounts for the military. The plan envisions selling condominiums to owners who would agree that when they are not using their units, they would be rented as hotel rooms. The development would carry the name of a national hotel brand, such as a Marriott, Sheraton, etc. Members of the military would have the first opportunity to rent available hotel rooms at significantly reduced rates. But rooms not used by the military would be made available to the public...
So basically this will be a huge development of condos for sale to the general public, with the understanding that when unit owners are not using the condos they can be rented either to the general public at market rates or, on a priority basis, to members of the military at discount rates. Who will benefit? The developer first, the condo owners second, and the military third. And Summit County not at all.

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