Civil Service Board Appointments

Civil Service Board Appointments

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Since: Jan 11

Leesville, LA

#1 Jan 23, 2011
I figured I'd start a discussion on the seating of the present Civil Service Board. I know I have lots of questions about the way things have been done and I am sure there are other as curious as me.

Does anyone have any information on the removal of Col. Howerton from the Board? Was his term really up?
bembh

Lake Charles, LA

#2 Jan 23, 2011
According to a story published in LDL on Jan. 17, the terms had expired:

The Leesville city council passed a resolution to seat three appointees to its civil service board Monday evening at its regularly scheduled meeting. The terms of the three positions had expired.

It had been reported earlier on this board that Col. Howerton had just started a new term in June, one month before Robert Rose was elected. But the LDL says his term had expired, and if you read it in the LDL, it must be true!

BTW, LDL website has just posted a new story about the investigation into Bobby Hickman.
Transplant4u wrote:
I figured I'd start a discussion on the seating of the present Civil Service Board. I know I have lots of questions about the way things have been done and I am sure there are other as curious as me.
Does anyone have any information on the removal of Col. Howerton from the Board? Was his term really up?
007icu

Houston, TX

#3 Jan 24, 2011
The board is made up of five members, a police officer and a firefighter, each elected from his or her own ranks and then appointed by the mayor; one appointed outright by the mayor; and two others recommended from the community by the president of the nearest university, in this case, Randall Webb, president of Northwestern State University in Natchitoches. Board members cannot be removed except by just cause, stated Banks.

Now how many of you believe that Dr Webb from NSU actually knew these 2? From talking to the 2 previous mayors I am told typically the mayor supplies a list of names to NSU and they usually go right along with it. Can you legally ask for Freedom of Information from NSU to see the communications between he and the mayor? So did Rose load up the board for his desicions to me carried out?

Since: Jan 11

Leesville, LA

#4 Jan 24, 2011
So Howerton just started a new term one month before Rose took office...hmmmm that's pretty interesting. I think I would take the word of someone posting on this board before I took the word of the LDL!

Thanks for telling me about the new article at LDL on Hickman. I must have overlooked it because of the hot news story right above it..." Chemical signals in women's tears a turnoff for men". Now that's what I call news!
bembh wrote:
According to a story published in LDL on Jan. 17, the terms had expired:
The Leesville city council passed a resolution to seat three appointees to its civil service board Monday evening at its regularly scheduled meeting. The terms of the three positions had expired.
It had been reported earlier on this board that Col. Howerton had just started a new term in June, one month before Robert Rose was elected. But the LDL says his term had expired, and if you read it in the LDL, it must be true!
BTW, LDL website has just posted a new story about the investigation into Bobby Hickman.
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Since: Jan 11

Leesville, LA

#5 Jan 24, 2011
I, for one, do not believe Dr. Webb from NSU actually knew these people. Another case of stacking the deck as far as I'm concerned.
I would assume that since there is supposed to be a "transparency of government" that you would be able to see the communications between Dr. Webb and Rose. But there is a sad lacking of transparency lately, more like smoke and mirrors. That would be a question I think our resident fact-finder bembh might be able to answer.
007icu wrote:
The board is made up of five members, a police officer and a firefighter, each elected from his or her own ranks and then appointed by the mayor; one appointed outright by the mayor; and two others recommended from the community by the president of the nearest university, in this case, Randall Webb, president of Northwestern State University in Natchitoches. Board members cannot be removed except by just cause, stated Banks.
Now how many of you believe that Dr Webb from NSU actually knew these 2? From talking to the 2 previous mayors I am told typically the mayor supplies a list of names to NSU and they usually go right along with it. Can you legally ask for Freedom of Information from NSU to see the communications between he and the mayor? So did Rose load up the board for his desicions to me carried out?

“WAKE THE "F" UP”

Since: May 10

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#6 Jan 24, 2011
Transplant4u wrote:
<quoted text>So Howerton just started a new term one month before Rose took office...hmmmm that's pretty interesting. I think I would take the word of someone posting on this board before I took the word of the LDL!

Thanks for telling me about the new article at LDL on Hickman. I must have overlooked it because of the hot news story right above it..." Chemical signals in women's tears a turnoff for men". Now that's what I call news!
Lol you had me at tears !!
bembh

Lake Charles, LA

#7 Jan 24, 2011
And have you noticed how much NSU news the LDL reports? I mean, let some little old lady from Plain Dealing LA make a donation of $75 to the nursing school, and the LDL thinks that's front-page Leesville news. Meanwhile, they report nothing from City Hall.
Transplant4u wrote:
So Howerton just started a new term one month before Rose took office...hmmmm that's pretty interesting. I think I would take the word of someone posting on this board before I took the word of the LDL!
Thanks for telling me about the new article at LDL on Hickman. I must have overlooked it because of the hot news story right above it..." Chemical signals in women's tears a turnoff for men". Now that's what I call news!
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bembh

Lake Charles, LA

#8 Jan 24, 2011
Sorry, forgot which board I was on. Didn't mean to go off-topic. :-(
bembh

Lake Charles, LA

#9 Jan 24, 2011
I'll have to do a little digging, but my gut feeling is that the Freedom of Information Act does not apply here. Although NSU is part of the state university system, I don't think it can be considered a part of the "government," and therefore would be exempt from FOIA.
Transplant4u wrote:
I, for one, do not believe Dr. Webb from NSU actually knew these people. Another case of stacking the deck as far as I'm concerned.
I would assume that since there is supposed to be a "transparency of government" that you would be able to see the communications between Dr. Webb and Rose. But there is a sad lacking of transparency lately, more like smoke and mirrors. That would be a question I think our resident fact-finder bembh might be able to answer.
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bembh

Lake Charles, LA

#10 Jan 24, 2011
There's no way Dr. Webb could know everyone he appoints. The law states that two members shall be appointed by the president of the nearest institution of higher learning. That means Webb would appoint two members in Leesville, two in Natchitoches, two in Winnfield, two in Many, two in Mansfield, two in Coushatta, etc. etc. etc. Actually, I'd love to know how the legislature came up with this brilliant idea. Dr. Webb gets to appoint 40 percent of the Civil Service Board members for nearly every small town in northern Louisiana. And that's a LOT of power! But since he's acting on information he gets from the mayors of each town, I imagine every mayor in the state has, with the help of the president of the nearest college, stacked every CSB in the state! Do you think the president of LSU knows the people he appointed in Krotz Springs, Opelousas, Zachary, St. Francisville, etc.? Of course not.
Transplant4u wrote:
I, for one, do not believe Dr. Webb from NSU actually knew these people. Another case of stacking the deck as far as I'm concerned.
<quoted text>

“WAKE THE "F" UP”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#11 Jan 24, 2011
bembh wrote:
<quoted text>I'll have to do a little digging, but my gut feeling is that the Freedom of Information Act does not apply here. Although NSU is part of the state university system, I don't think it can be considered a part of the "government," and therefore would be exempt from FOIA.
I would think they were covered if they had a hand at making a decision for a city, state or even feds as it would go with who is really making the decisions for us who put the government officials in office.
Princess

Leesville, LA

#12 Jan 24, 2011
bembh wrote:
There's no way Dr. Webb could know everyone he appoints. The law states that two members shall be appointed by the president of the nearest institution of higher learning. That means Webb would appoint two members in Leesville, two in Natchitoches, two in Winnfield, two in Many, two in Mansfield, two in Coushatta, etc. etc. etc. Actually, I'd love to know how the legislature came up with this brilliant idea. Dr. Webb gets to appoint 40 percent of the Civil Service Board members for nearly every small town in northern Louisiana. And that's a LOT of power! But since he's acting on information he gets from the mayors of each town, I imagine every mayor in the state has, with the help of the president of the nearest college, stacked every CSB in the state! Do you think the president of LSU knows the people he appointed in Krotz Springs, Opelousas, Zachary, St. Francisville, etc.? Of course not.
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I have a hard time believing heís even HEARD of the people he appoints, let alone any familiarity with their background or qualifications! I would be more comfortable with the remaining board members or the city council submitting to Dr. Webb their suggestions of possible candidates. But appointments made on just the mayorís suggestion? That seems rife with potential conflicts of interest.

Iíll repeat this from an earlier post; I still say that in the interest of propriety, that Dr. Lord should have recused herself when the issue of impropriety arose regarding her husbandís and Mayor Roseís relationship. Mr. Roseís assertion that there is no conflict of interest because the board is an unpaid position is ludicrous. II have to question the integrity of both.

Since: Jan 11

Leesville, LA

#14 Jan 24, 2011
LOL its hard not to go off topic with all this stuff, maybe one longggg thread is better. But actually I didn't consider it off topic, you were talking about NSU. Well..maybe it would be considered LDL bashing? LOL j/k with you.
bembh wrote:
Sorry, forgot which board I was on. Didn't mean to go off-topic.:-(

Since: Jan 11

Leesville, LA

#15 Jan 24, 2011
Yes I have noticed this and have thought it was odd.
bembh wrote:
And have you noticed how much NSU news the LDL reports? I mean, let some little old lady from Plain Dealing LA make a donation of $75 to the nursing school, and the LDL thinks that's front-page Leesville news. Meanwhile, they report nothing from City Hall.
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Since: Jan 11

Leesville, LA

#16 Jan 24, 2011
Yes, but if its government mandated that this is the way it has to be done, I would think it would apply. If it doesn't it dang well should. This gives that Rose wayyy too much power.
bembh wrote:
I'll have to do a little digging, but my gut feeling is that the Freedom of Information Act does not apply here. Although NSU is part of the state university system, I don't think it can be considered a part of the "government," and therefore would be exempt from FOIA.
<quoted text>

Since: Jan 11

Leesville, LA

#17 Jan 24, 2011
Well, heck no I don't think Dr. Webb knows a tenth of the people he's appointed. You're right, that a lot of power for him. What could they have been thinking when they made this law?
bembh wrote:
There's no way Dr. Webb could know everyone he appoints. The law states that two members shall be appointed by the president of the nearest institution of higher learning. That means Webb would appoint two members in Leesville, two in Natchitoches, two in Winnfield, two in Many, two in Mansfield, two in Coushatta, etc. etc. etc. Actually, I'd love to know how the legislature came up with this brilliant idea. Dr. Webb gets to appoint 40 percent of the Civil Service Board members for nearly every small town in northern Louisiana. And that's a LOT of power! But since he's acting on information he gets from the mayors of each town, I imagine every mayor in the state has, with the help of the president of the nearest college, stacked every CSB in the state! Do you think the president of LSU knows the people he appointed in Krotz Springs, Opelousas, Zachary, St. Francisville, etc.? Of course not.
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Since: Jan 11

Leesville, LA

#18 Jan 24, 2011
I agree that Dr. Lord should have recused herself. Wait, which name does she go by Dr. Lord or Dr. Smith?

In the City Council minutes of the meeting on 10/11/10 "Christie Smith and Mike Hennessee, representing Vernon Hospitality, requested a special event alcohol permit for the business to sell alcohol between Oct. 21-23, 2010, for a single series of events conducted internally for the purposes of private Homecoming events. The Mayor, cited a personal interest in this property, asked to recuse himself from participation in the voting process".It passed with a vote of 6-0.

Vernon Hospitality is comprised of Booker-Lewis House and others so I guess Rose does have a personal interest. Christie Smith on representing Vernon Hospitality? My, what a tangled web we weave.
And on top of that, as has been discussed before on this forum, this property is located between 2 churches and shouldn't be allowed to sell alcohol. Are they allowed a free pass? The minutes reflected no discussion of this matter, just voted.
Princess wrote:
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I have a hard time believing heís even HEARD of the people he appoints, let alone any familiarity with their background or qualifications! I would be more comfortable with the remaining board members or the city council submitting to Dr. Webb their suggestions of possible candidates. But appointments made on just the mayorís suggestion? That seems rife with potential conflicts of interest.
Iíll repeat this from an earlier post; I still say that in the interest of propriety, that Dr. Lord should have recused herself when the issue of impropriety arose regarding her husbandís and Mayor Roseís relationship. Mr. Roseís assertion that there is no conflict of interest because the board is an unpaid position is ludicrous. II have to question the integrity of both.
bembh

Lake Charles, LA

#19 Jan 24, 2011
I don't know. This, IMO, is one of the most ridiculous laws on the books. The president of a college has absolutely no insight as to how each little town near the college is run, or what its needs are, or who its people are. To me, it would have made more sense to have two members appointed by the local District Attorney, or by the District Judge. Why the president of the nearest college?
Transplant4u wrote:
Well, heck no I don't think Dr. Webb knows a tenth of the people he's appointed. You're right, that a lot of power for him. What could they have been thinking when they made this law?
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bembh

Lake Charles, LA

#20 Jan 24, 2011
And as I have mentioned before, the proximity to churches is not only a violation of the City Charter, it is a violation of Louisiana state law. I can see His Royal Highness ignoring city law, but how did this get around the state law?
Transplant4u wrote:
And on top of that, as has been discussed before on this forum, this property is located between 2 churches and shouldn't be allowed to sell alcohol. Are they allowed a free pass? The minutes reflected no discussion of this matter, just voted.
<quoted text>

Since: Jan 11

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#21 Jan 24, 2011
Transplant4u wrote:
I agree that Dr. Lord should have recused herself. Wait, which name does she go by Dr. Lord or Dr. Smith?
In the City Council minutes of the meeting on 10/11/10 "Christie Smith and Mike Hennessee, representing Vernon Hospitality, requested a special event alcohol permit for the business to sell alcohol between Oct. 21-23, 2010, for a single series of events conducted internally for the purposes of private Homecoming events. The Mayor, cited a personal interest in this property, asked to recuse himself from participation in the voting process".It passed with a vote of 6-0.
Vernon Hospitality is comprised of Booker-Lewis House and others so I guess Rose does have a personal interest. Christie Smith on representing Vernon Hospitality? My, what a tangled web we weave.
And on top of that, as has been discussed before on this forum, this property is located between 2 churches and shouldn't be allowed to sell alcohol. Are they allowed a free pass? The minutes reflected no discussion of this matter, just voted.
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Just FYI Christie Smith is a man, Local Attorney, and Christina Lord is a female, Doctor. 2 different people, but both buried up Rose's hind end. I could see where that would be confusing.

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