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#1 Mar 27, 2012
at the risk of starting an all out topix riot, no way ever even in the most liberal court does zimmerman get found guilty. why?
no specific intent!! maybe manslaughter, and a probated sentence.

next-- why does everything have to be about race. what happened is unfortunate, but it's not a white/black war. people like jackson, sharpton,and the black panthers make it that way.

if the kkk showed up at voting booths, like the panthers did, jackson and sharpton would be raising all kinds of hell, and be marching even in the smallest towns.

next what church is jackson a preacher at?
Who Dat

Birmingham, AL

#2 Mar 27, 2012
He is a preacher in the temple of bull$hit. He needs his a$$ whipped like the thieving piece of trash that he is. Whats funny is all the followers he draws. He makes money off of these idiots that think is the best thing since sliced bread. And he is using them and they dont even see it!!! Kinda like Jim Baker par say.
Gary P

Leesville, LA

#3 Mar 27, 2012
They both don't preach or even work in a church. They're not really reverends and are just saying that as if they are Holy.
If I were you I wouldn't listen to their talk show so they dont get ratings and get canceled.
confused

Lake Charles, LA

#4 Mar 28, 2012
From ABC News:

By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC)
March 28, 2012
A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who says he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.
Sick and tired

United States

#5 Mar 28, 2012
confused wrote:
From ABC News:
By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC)
March 28, 2012
A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who says he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.
Well first off I would not trust any of the main stream media outlets on anything. Second it takes time for bruises to develop and it was raining at the time so blood may have been washed off. Third, An eye witness saw trayvon on top of Zimmerman just before he went into his house and called 911, then heard the gunshot. Fourthly(?) you don't have to have visible injuries to prove battery
confused

Lake Charles, LA

#6 Mar 28, 2012
Watch the video. It's posted on CNN and ABC News. Not raining. Not a scratch on Zimmerman's bald head. Police aren't acting like they've got a person with a broken nose or who needs any kind of medical attention. You may not trust the mainstream media. Do you trust the surveillance videos? Do you trust what your own eyes are seeing? Or do you trust the word of an unknown "eyewitness" over a video? And Trayvon Martin can't defend himself on any battery charges because HE'S DEAD!
Sick and tired wrote:
<quoted text>Well first off I would not trust any of the main stream media outlets on anything. Second it takes time for bruises to develop and it was raining at the time so blood may have been washed off. Third, An eye witness saw trayvon on top of Zimmerman just before he went into his house and called 911, then heard the gunshot. Fourthly(?) you don't have to have visible injuries to prove battery
Wait and See

Kissimmee, FL

#7 Mar 28, 2012
Here is the public version of the police report. Witness names and addresses are blacked out, but it does have the officer's narratives listed. It is enlightning as one officer said he overheard Zimmerman telling the paramedic that was cleaning him up (hence no blood in the police video when he arrived at the station) that Trayvon approached him from behind, knocked George down with the first punch, then jumped on him smashing his head into the ground several times. The FD's paramedic's cleaned Zimmerman up at the scene so it is expected that there wouldn't be blood on his face. And swelling does normally take some time. Until ALL the evidence comes out, I don't see why so many accusations by the media and the family of Trayvon have been allowed to escalate to the level it is at. It is absurd for the black community to be trying to incite so much hatred and violence over a situation where nobody that is demonstrating truely knows the facts. But just like so many other cases from the past, start riots first and find out the truth later. There is so much black on black crime but that is brushed under the rug by the supposed Rev. Sharpton, supposed Rev Jackson, the new black panthers, ect. If they would just take their anger and hatred to the black community and make it their mission to stop the racial tensions and hatred among themselves.....maybe, just maybe, they could tackle stopping the public perception and judgements that surround crimes like these. If George Zimmerman had been a black man that shot Trayvon, there would never have been this public outcry among the black population. The outcry only happened because the suspect was not of the black race. Isn't that kind of a double standard? Black on black is ok, but white on black or hispanic on black is not ok? The racism and hatred has came from the black community and no one else. Until America bands together as AMERICANS and not by race, we'll never have a great nation. American's should not be refered to as "African American, Mexican American" ect,....You are either an American or you are an immigrant (and those should be broken up into legal or not legal). I am tried of all the racial divides. A police chief should not have to leave office because he is the wrong color and in order to appease the public you need to substitute your police chief with one that is "politically correct". That is an injustice in itself. Race should have no bearing on the Martin/Zimmerman Case, yet it does. A 17 year old young man died and a 28 year old man survived. Whether murder, manslaughter, or self defense....that will come out at a later date. Nobody in the public has all the evidence at this point. Anyway, I am done with my rant... Here is the copy of the police report courtesy of CNN.

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/...
Wait and See

Kissimmee, FL

#8 Mar 28, 2012
Notice also, it states in the police report that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head when police arrived. It was also noted that Zimmerman had grass stains on the back side of his shirt and the back side was wet. Now that backs up the theory that he was on his back getting his butt beat. It also states that Martin was 6'0 and 160 lbs. All the news reports I have saw says Martin was 6'3....So that makes me wonder if they didn't use driver's license info on Martin...which leaves me to wonder one other thing. If Martin was 6'0 and 160 lbs when that information was given, how much did martin weigh at 6'3? Again, I believe this info will come out at a later date, but for now, that is just speculation.

Notice there are numerous witnesses listed in the police report, now most of them supposedly didn't see the altercation, but they heard yelling/crying then gunshots. Supposedly, there is only one witness, John, that saw Martin and Zimmerman struggling. He was interviewed by Fox Orlando. He says that he saw Zimmerman on his back with Trayvon on top repeatedly beating Zimmerman. He claims that Zimmerman was screaming for help so he yelled for the fighting to stop and said that he was calling 911. He was in front of his house when he said that. He ran upstairs to get the phone and he heard a single gunshot as he climbed the stairs. He said that he looked out his upstairs window and then saw Trayvon laying face down in the grass and Zimmerman standing up. His account is the most detailed account from what I understand as I understand him to be the only eye witness to actually see the whole thing unfold. Everyone else just heard yelling and a single shot, then they came outside to see what had happened.

“Sneaking up on you”

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#9 Mar 28, 2012
ok saw the video, and why was the cop looking at the back of his head ?
maybe he was seeing if he started bleeding again! and he was treated at the scene by emt's then transported to the lockup.

It does not matter how bad he bleed if the attack was done by this kid he followed the law by pulling out his gun and putting one in his chest.

Don't you think if he was doing this out of hate that he would have fired more then one round ?

I know if I was mad and in that state of mind of being hateful in wanting to kill a black man I would not stop firing.

This was a man who was attacked by an unknown male in the rain, and after being pushed to the ground, and then the subject sitting on top of the victim, who then attempted to take his gun was shot.

So be it case close end of a thug, if you don't like the way the law was writen, move there and become a voter and get it changed !!

This kid did not have to attack this man he too could have walked away, back from where he was visiting and called 911, but no he attacked the victim and then was shot!!

What don't you get ? why is it so hard to see that the law was followed, it may be a bad law but it is law and the victim followed it.

Since: Mar 12

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#10 Mar 29, 2012
Ghostsniper389 wrote:
ok saw the video, and why was the cop looking at the back of his head ?
maybe he was seeing if he started bleeding again! and he was treated at the scene by emt's then transported to the lockup.
It does not matter how bad he bleed if the attack was done by this kid he followed the law by pulling out his gun and putting one in his chest.
Don't you think if he was doing this out of hate that he would have fired more then one round ?
I know if I was mad and in that state of mind of being hateful in wanting to kill a black man I would not stop firing.
This was a man who was attacked by an unknown male in the rain, and after being pushed to the ground, and then the subject sitting on top of the victim, who then attempted to take his gun was shot.
So be it case close end of a thug, if you don't like the way the law was writen, move there and become a voter and get it changed !!
This kid did not have to attack this man he too could have walked away, back from where he was visiting and called 911, but no he attacked the victim and then was shot!!
What don't you get ? why is it so hard to see that the law was followed, it may be a bad law but it is law and the victim followed it.
I can’t tell by the video quality if there are bruises and can’t see any blood, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t there. Quite frankly the difference to me is if there are no signs of struggle Zimmerman should be looking at murder charges instead of manslaughter (which I think manslaughter is the appropriate charge). You say “it doesn’t matter how bad he is bleeding if the attack was done by the kid he followed the law by pulling his gun out….” First off, he chased the kid which negates any self defense claims i.e. he could have avoided the potential conflict from the beginning. Second, the police first told him NOT to follow the kid, that is wasn’t necessary for Zimmerman to follow him. SO he ignored DIRECT orders from the law.
I don’t think this was a hate crime. I think Treyvon was profiled because he was black and wearing a hoodie, but I don’t believe Zimmerman killed the kid because he was black. I’m willing to bet that if it was a white man walking Zimmerman wouldn’t have thought twice about it—but that is just speculation.
You also say “This kid did not have to attack this man he too could have walked away, back from where he was visiting and called 911, but no he attacked the victim and then was shot!!” He was getting away, hence the running away from Zimmerman. I don’t know where he was running, but it was obviously in the opposite direction of Zimmerman. But Zimmerman chose to follow the kid and RUN after him. What don’t you get? You refuse to put blame on Zimmerman for following the kid to begin with and using piss-poor judgment. This entire situation could have been avoided if Zimmerman wasn’t trying to be the neighborhood “hero”.

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#11 Mar 29, 2012
For those supporting Zimmerman, I hope you pass this "great wisdom" to your children. When a man starts following and chasing you, your first reaction should be to let the man catch up to you to see what's the matter. What could possibly go wrong?

Who knows, maybe the man just has too much candy and wants to share it with the neighborhood kids? I bet he has an XBOX kinect too... sweet, I'll be over right after I get my homework done!!
Wait and See

Kissimmee, FL

#12 Mar 29, 2012
VP_Resident.....According to the information gathered by police through their investigation, the evidence they have uncovered is.

1. Yes, George initially got out of his vehicle to see which way Trayvon had went so he could pass the info on.

2. There had been 8 previous break ins/thefts commited by young men matching Trayvon's description in the previous months that had always gotten away by the time police had got there.

3. There was never a "lawful" order given by a police officer not to follow Trayvon. Dispatchers in Florida are not police officers. In Louisiana, sometimes the dispatcher is a police officer because they have to step up to the plate and help their dispatchers out on occassion, but that does not happen in Florida. Also, police dispatchers in Leesville are corrections officers (they have been to a correctional officer academy), but in Florida, the dispatchers are neither police officers nor corrections officers. Also, the dispatcher didn't say to "stop". He said, "we don't need you to do that"....which is the dispatcher's opinion that he should not continue following the young man, but again is not a lawful order from a police officer.

4. According to the police, upon arrival, crime scene was by George's vehicle which again lends credit to George's testimony that he was returning to his vehicle when he was approached from behind by Trayvon. Most mainstream media is only playing a portion of the 911 call. The end of the 911 call has George telling the dispatcher just seconds after the dispatcher told him they didn't need him to follow the guy that he had lost sight of the individual and he was returning to his vehicle. In Florida, everything is public information regarding if you contact someone in the government. If you even email a concern in, your email address is now public record. So towards the end of the tape when George didn't want to give his home address and he tells the dispatcher to please have the cops call him when they got there. I understand why. I would not want my home address listed on a 911 tape either considering anyone that gets arrested will get that info played out in their court case...then guess what, your home address just got posted to everyone at the court case (including disgruntled family members of the person who was arrested)....So it makes perfect sense to me why you wouldn't want that information put out on a public 911 tape.
Wait and See

Kissimmee, FL

#13 Mar 29, 2012
5. Another thing you have to take into account, is this is not small town Leesville. This is a big city where crime is EVERYWHERE. This is the outskirts of Orlando. There are murders DAILY. There are kids being hit by cars and reports of attempted kidnappings of kids walking to and from school every single week (kids who live within 2 miles of the school are not provided bus pickup--they either walk or the parents have to take them to school and a lot of parents work). In a city where everyone lives on little quarter acre lots, this is a lot of kids walking. There are robberies and senseless beatings daily. It is actually really depressing to turn on the news and see that the only thing on is MORE crime. There is such a housing/economic crisis that on trash night, we have looked out our window to see people going through our trash ripping open our trash bags and rifling through them to "see" what was inside. I think of identity theft, the indviduals claimed they was looking for recyclable items that they could turn in to pay their rent (however, here in Florida, we have a seperate bin to put in to be recycled in) so I don't buy that. Empty houses have windows busted out by kids who have nothing better to do. Outside air conditioning units have to have a cage installed over them so they can't be stolen. Recycling companies have to have proof of where the item came from before they will accept the item (specifically copper) due to the large amounts of thefts. Things are a lot different in a big city and there is a lot of kids in the city who will get in your face a lot quicker than a country kid will. There is not as much respect of the kids and the kids do not have the respect for the adults either.

So you have to understand, things are not always as they seem and things are much different in the city than the country.

“Hang in there”

Since: Apr 11

Hicks

#14 Mar 29, 2012
Great read Wait and See. I have been wanting to put something like that together but havnt found the time. Thanks for doing it

Since: Mar 12

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#15 Mar 29, 2012
1.Great reporting

2.I don’t care if Treyvon was jaywalking, screaming “F--- Whitey, smoking a joint, and flashing 100,000 in cash, it doesn’t give ANYONE other than police officers the right to chase another person without accepting unintended consequences. Think of the precedent this sets up for future cases. Defendant:“Well judge, the man looked suspicious so I decided to follow him to investigate for myself if he was a threat, I called the police but you know how they can be.” Judge:“Why did you bring a gun?” Defendant:“Oh the gun, that was just to make sure I had complete control of the situation, what could possibly have gone wrong?”

3.There wasn’t a “lawful” order because it is not against the law to follow someone. There is common sense, which suggests that if a representative of the police says “you don’t need to do that” you don’t do it. If a police officer (or representative) says you shouldn’t do something I know I wouldn’t do it. There is a reason why they gave that opinion, like, someone bad might occur if you chase after him.

4.I am well aware of Florida’s Sunshine Law. I lived in Tallahassee for about 5 years and worked for the Dept. of Community Affairs and the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. I don’t know what that has to do with this case. But let’s think about this, if the police record Zimmerman’s house address on an official report it becomes public information. Whether you speak it on the phone or it goes on the report sheet, it is still available for the public.

5.Small town Leesville has a higher crime ratio than Orlando FL does. In 2010 Leesville had a crime ratio of 542 and Orlando had a rating 504 (Sanford has a rating of 559- so slightly higher). That doesn’t include the type of crime, but the aggregate rate is higher in Leesville than in Orlando and comparable to Sanford. If you know crime is an issue and murders occur every day, why would you follow a potential murderer unless you had the intention on apprehending him? If you know that kids don’t respect adults why would an adult try to chase a kid—or anyone? If there is the potential threat that the person you are going after could harm you, you don’t chase them, unless you accept the responsibility that a conflict might occur. That is ridiculous, and the more “points” you bring up about how unsafe the neighborhood is, the more it leads me to believe that Zimmerman is a moron and shouldn’t have chased after a suspicious looking person.

And yes, you are right, kids that live 2 miles from school are not required to have school bus services (it depends on the school district). I know in Tallahassee kids rode the city bus at a reduced rate (like 25 cents per trip). Don’t you think that is a larger problem with the state? Maybe there should be more emphasis on public education instead of development? How many vacant homes do you have over in Florida these days anyways? When I left it was about 17%. I’m glad the public values building more empty buildings more than a good public education system.

“Sneaking up on you”

Since: Mar 12

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#16 Mar 29, 2012
VP_Resident
Did you read the police report at all?

the shooter did not give chase .

the dead kid followed him back to his car and attacked.

And your right I would make sure that if I had kids, I would make sure that if they had to do this, they follow what the law is writen.

Your not a gun owner are you, I bet you may hunt but you whould never use a gun to protect your self.

You don't have a sence of what a gun owner thinks about when it comes to owning a gun for protection.

I would even say your sicken with the mind set that others would use a gun.

This is not about race but for sure its about the left and media blowing this out of the park.

When the truth does come out and it will this is going to be good on the side of Zimmerman.

Since: Mar 12

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#17 Mar 29, 2012
The kid followed him back to his car and attacked? That inherently implies that Zimmerman followed him at some point. Which like I have said many times before, that negates any self defense claims. If he called from his car, stayed there, or went home and the kid attacked him I would say Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong.

My wife is a gun owner and has a concealed weapon permit. Everyone in my family (Mother, brother, and father) has one. I fully support people owning guns and using them if need be. I don't have a license because I cannot shoot well at all. I would probably do more harm than good, so it's probably good I don't own one.

I do know what it means for gun owners, and that is, if you need to bring a gun for protection, you probably shouldn't be there. If the hazard comes to you then you have every right to protect yourself.

I have never said this was about race. Quite frankly I could care less if it was about race. Only one person knows if it is about race.

Since: Mar 12

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#18 Mar 29, 2012
Besides, the killing occurred in someone's backyard, not on the street. I don't know where the report of he was near his car came through. Unless Zimmerman parked his car in this lady's backyard...
Who Dat

Leesville, LA

#19 Mar 29, 2012
Herman Cain denounces the black panther bounty. Why dont the dann president denounce it? Or "mr civil rights" Jesse Jackson? Or wanna be "reverand" Al Sharpton? Oh i know..wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...show whitey who the boss is!
Just like when the black panthers were harassing white voters in the city of brotherly love. What happend to that investigation mr obama? Oh you shut it down? How fitting.
Too lazy To Sign In

Lake Charles, LA

#20 Mar 29, 2012
Everyone is wasting their time
It doesnt matter if he was following him or not. The point of this whole story is that T was on top of Z and Z was defending himself CASE CLOSED
What I cant stand is how black panthers and T's parents are creating more hate then they are complaining about. Their all hypocrits!
Im so sick and tired of ''poor poor black me'' what about the story of those black guys raping and murdering those two white couple and burning the husbands body after raping him and raping the girl for a couple days then chopping her body up. It never made news because they feared it would cause an up roar with the KKK.
Yet its ok to put this all over the news?

Oh and for your information I had nothing to do with slavery so leave me out of it. I am part indian and you dont hear me bit*ing about my generations ponies being stolen now do you?

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