Lee Center Fire Department....
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Since: Sep 07
#1 Sep 28, 2007
The news has the town in an uproar...So what do we do....Personally as a tax-payer I repect the Bakers and the rest of the volunteers int eh department... I can recall on numerous occasions they have responded to a fire call at my house or someone close to me... I also know as a former member of the department I learned alot from the Bakers in the short time that I was a member.. My brother and my father are member as well.. So support the fire department and come to the town board meeting this monday night at the Town Hall....
#2 Oct 2, 2007
If Ken and Joe Baker had resigned, the town would still have a fire department. Period.
How selfish could they be?
Did they really think that they could get away with ignoring the mandates that they were given?
Did they really think that by basically telling the bosses to go to hell, that they wouldn't be fired?
They have no one to blame but themselves.
If they had worked as hard on meeting the requirements given to them as they did in fighting this thing, they would have had a better trained vol fire department and probably would have been left in command.
Instead they have nothing.
Lets hope the rest of the fireman are dedicated to serving the community and join the new department.
#3 Oct 2, 2007
AMAZING YOU ARE IGNORANT TO THE REAL PROBLEM.
1 THE BOARD HAS NOT AND CAN NOT PROVE A SINGLE MEMBER DOES NOT MEET NEW YORK STATE STANDARDS.
2 THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR A VOL DEPT ARE UNREASONABLE FOR THE WORKING MEMBERS.
3 THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE MORE THEN THE CITY OF ROME AND MOST OTHER PAID DEPARTMENTS REQUIRE.
SO TO ALL IN LEE CENTER NY COME ELECTION DAY GET YOUR HEADS RIGHT DO NOT REELECT THESE FOOLS. YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO ALLOW THE CIRCUS TO CONTINUE.
YOU MADE MISTAKES LIKE WELL NAME ANY CURRENT BOARD MEMBER. NO LEARN AND FIGHT FOR YOUR FIREFIGHTERS. DO NOT ALLOW LAKE DELTA OR ANY OTHER DEPT. TO MOVE IN REMEMBER WHAT TOOK 5-7 MINS. RESPONSE WILL NOW TAKE A LOT MORE (15-25 MINS.)
#4 Oct 2, 2007
"1 THE BOARD HAS NOT AND CAN NOT PROVE A SINGLE MEMBER DOES NOT MEET NEW YORK STATE STANDARDS."
The board does not have to prove that any member does not meet NYS standards. It is the other way around. The member (actually through his superiors) has to prove to the Board of Fire Commissioners that the firefighter has met the minimum required standards. They continually failed to do so.
"2 THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR A VOL DEPT ARE UNREASONABLE FOR THE WORKING MEMBERS."
The requirements are mandated by OSHA.
"3 THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE MORE THEN THE CITY OF ROME AND MOST OTHER PAID DEPARTMENTS REQUIRE."
That is a bald face lie. Rome firefighters are required to go through rigorous training beyond minimum requirements before becoming active members. Don't insult them that they have anything less.
NO LEARN AND FIGHT FOR YOUR FIREFIGHTERS. DO NOT ALLOW LAKE DELTA OR ANY OTHER DEPT. TO MOVE IN REMEMBER WHAT TOOK 5-7 MINS. RESPONSE WILL NOW TAKE A LOT MORE (15-25 MINS.)
It is too late to fight for a department that is no longer in existence. They had their chance (well over a year) to correct their problems and blew it. A result of poor leadership and direction.
Response time will return to the same levels when the new fire department is activated and trained. In the meantime, response time increases will be minimal. Lake Delta is just as fast as Lee Center when it comes to response time. Only distance will cause the difference, which may be 5 minutes at most. Amcare still provides EMS services. You have greatly exaggerated your numbers to instill fear in the community. That is wrong.
#5 Oct 2, 2007
lets hope you you learn to look in to the facts before you shoot your muoth off any one of lee centers fire men have more training than any two at taberg or new london and wait it wasnt lee centers chief on the radio crying for hepl the might patti smith died in her house because none of his crew showed up oh wait it was tabergs chief dont i feel safe
#6 Oct 2, 2007
Good for our men in being one step ahead of those educated commissioners for acting fast last night in getting their stuff.Now they'll be wanting the town folks to contribute for new ha!!! Also look at your taxes it says for the Lee fire district so since that does't exist they better be correcting it.It's too bad that for a town as populated as Lee with many educated residents that this backwoods you know what has to exist.But most of all were playing with lives.
#7 Oct 3, 2007
First of all who are you to say that Ken Baker and Joe should have resigned from the department. Your not even from around here, so why the comments.
Maybe if you didn't beleive everything you read or the gossip you would know the whole story.
The only member on the board of fire commissioners with any fire experiance is Fred Lapman. And everyone in this town knows he has an issue with the Bakers.
When your family puts the time and effort in that the Bakers have then maybe your opinion would matter.
And for your information the LCFD firemen have more training under their belts then most fire departments.
They have met all state guidelines for training. The Board of fire commissioners want the firemen to get training thats not eve being offered by the state..
#8 Oct 3, 2007
"3. THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE MORE THEN THE CITY OF ROME AND MOST OTHER PAID DEPARTMENTS REQUIRE."
Really RITCOMMAND? Do you really believe what you wrote there. So you went through 2 months of training 5 days a week, without going home to see your family until the weekends?
Like Amazing said "Don't insult them (Rome) that they have anything less."
#9 Oct 3, 2007
People People People the issues here is that the town of Lee is not being protected as it could be. Along with this the departments being used for mutal aid are taking away from their own communities.
#10 Oct 3, 2007
From the members of Lee Center Volunteer Fire Department
Thank you for the kind words.
For those of you that do not quite have a understanding to the situation here are some facts.
The members have provided training records to the Board. They have all the records. As stated by the NYS OFPC Mike Miles who helps develop training programs, said afterward that Lee Center is "not better or worse" than other local departments, and described them as "competent for this area."
"2 THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR A VOL DEPT ARE UNREASONABLE FOR THE WORKING MEMBERS."
Those who have seen the additional reqiurements know the truth. They are to long to list here.
"The requirements are mandated by OSHA."
There are no true mandates for Volunteer Fire Departments. As printed in the same News article as the quote above by Mr Miles
Clouding the training question is a lack of formal mandates that would set the same requirements for all volunteer departments. While national standards are universally accepted as the "law of the land," they are not mandated.
"It is too late to fight for a department that is no longer in existence. They had their chance (well over a year) to correct their problems and blew it. A result of poor leadership and direction."
Well it is never to late. As of 1:30pm today the Lee Center Fire Department is back in service via a Order by the Supreme Court over turning the Comm. descion to shut us down. I am sure that if the comm's claims held any water then the Judge would not have placed a order to allow the department to reopen since he is impartial and looks at the Facts and not the personal opinions of others.
But most of importantly is this #1 fact that all the supporters of the comm's are missing.
It is not Ken and Joey who are refusing to sucumb to the comm's demands to leave thier positions. It is the members of the Department (all of them BTW) who continue on a monthly basis to vote to keep them in that office. If we did not want them there then they would willingly step down. Kenny and Joey have never refused to leave if it's the members who didn't want them there. It is Kenny and Joey who are standing up to the Board by saying,
It is our members who should have a right to decide who they feel comfortable with leading them.
They are sticking up for thier members right to CHOOSE who they want to lead them and not allowing the comm's to dictate to them who is going to lead them. Its called democracy which the commisioneers do not believe in. Just go to any monthly meeting and you will see they have no reguard for not only how the members feel but also how the community feels. They do not even allow the public to voice thier opinions.
So in the end I say Thank You Joey and Kenny for standing up for my right to be able to choose who I feel is the person that has the ability to make prompt and safe judgements that could effect not only my saftey but the safety of my brothers around me. Keep up the good work.
And befor you say I am a supporter of the Baker's let me state this last fact.
I support my community and fire department and I will support what I feel is right and by the Baker's taking a stand against a dictatorship
and support thier members, well that is just plain out RIGHT in my eyes.
#11 Oct 3, 2007
Please let us not critisize other departments, especially making comments about people dying. I have had the experince of arriving on a scene where someone had passed away and for days it bothered me because all I keep asking was What if I had just gotten there a bit sooner. Would that person still be alive.
So as far as the comments about Taberg above they are totally out of line. I know that the officers in charge that night did everything in thier power to save everyone in that fire since I was there. But they have to also concider the safety of the people they are commanding and I myself would have made the same decisions.
Let's not use this forum to bash other departments. Taberg is a damn good company that has always supported Lee Center and has always responded to the call when we needed assistance. I would stand beside the fire with those fellow brothers anytime.
#12 Oct 4, 2007
Good point. Knocking another Department doesn't make yours look better. All Departments, no matter how good they are, could be better.
I think the real question here is: "Is the Board working for the Chief or does the Chief work for the Board?
I can't help but wonder why those who could, didn't do something before the matter got to this point. Looks to me like just a couple of stubborn points of view who aren't willing to reach a solution. And the previous poster made a good point that perhaps a couple of resignations could have solved the problem and would have been the obvious solution if the real interest of the Citizens were of major concern.
What ever came of the audit the State was doing?
#13 Oct 4, 2007
They are stilldoing the Audit, They will be there for quite sometime
#14 Oct 7, 2007
Thank you, Lee Center Fire Department! Your bravery and dedication is truly respectable. But why would you fight the Commissioners over training? If a disaster or emergency were to strike my family or neighbors, I would want nothing but the best, most well-trained men and women to respond. The trainings are paid for by tax dollars and ensure the safety of our firefighters and the victims of fire, why are you resisting them? I just don't understand why the Fire Department wouldn't want as much training as possible to respond to real emergencies and disaster, for their own safety and for the safety of victims.
#15 Oct 8, 2007
QUESTION ISN'T THOMPSON THE CHAIRMAN OR OLD FREDDIE?
IT WAS STRANGE TO SEE A MAN SIT THERE WITHOUT PAPER IN FRONT OF HIM AND READ WORD FOR WORD WHAT THOMPSON WAS READING. I'VE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE NEWS REPORT AGAIN, AND IT SHOCKED ME. HOW LONG AGO DID HE STEP DOWN AS CHAIR? LAST I SAW HIM HE WAS SPENDING ABOUT 6 MONTHS A YEAR OUT OF STATE.
RIT COMMAND WAS RIGHT I HAVE SEEN THE STANDARDS. CITY OF ROME DAMN GOOD FIREFIGHTERS WELL TRAINED BUT ARE THEY REQUIRED TO BE AT FEDERAL STANDARD ABOVE FIRE FIGHTER 2? THE LEE CENTER BOARD OF COMMISSIONER STANDARDS APPEAR TO SHOW HIGHER JUST BE INTERIOR NOT EVEN AN OFFICER. LEE CENTER FIRE FIGHTERS IS THIS TRUE?
AFTER 25 YEARS AS CHIEF IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM FROM THE STATE THE STATE WOULD COME DOWN ON THE BAKERS. THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT!
AND LASTLY AMAZING ARE YOU EVEN FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA OBVOIUSLY NOT. YOU GET INTO THE HILLS AROUND THERE IT TAKES THE FINE FIRE FIGHTERS OF LEE CENTER THAT KNOW THEIR DISTRICT TO MAKE A GOOD RESPONSE TIME. SO PLEASE DON'T MAKE TIME JUDGEMENTS WITHOUT KNOWING.
AS FOR THE FOLKS OF LCFD CONGRATS YOU DESERVE IT. IF I WASN'T ALMOST 65 I'D FIGHT FIRE NEXT TO YOU ANY DAY.
#16 Oct 8, 2007
Why is Taberg different? They are no different than Lake Delta. We all know this.
#17 Oct 9, 2007
The Judge’s decision is a temporary stay until an unbinding mediation of state-wide legal resources can be counseled and heard and possibly assist with a determination. Get your facts straight Mr. Martin. And by the way, it is “unbinding”...look it up if you need to. The Commissioners still legally have the last say.
Secondly, you speak of membership camaraderie. As with all fire departments there is of course a sense of brotherhood. But did you know the members were not informed of the training requirements that the Board demanded four years ago? The information stayed within the grasp of the officers and the ‘grunts’ were not made privy to that goal. Gee, I wonder how much else they weren't told... heh.
Thirdly, you speak of “dictatorship”. The Commissioners are elected and take an oath to protect the tax payers and the Community. They are in essence the Chief’s boss and by State Law he is required to follow their directions like step-down (only exception being while commanding at a fire scene). I suggest you do some research on State Law, Municipal Law, Consolidated Law and Town Law. You might just find that there has been a lot of illegal activity going on within the Fire Department for years. Until recently no one was the wiser and no one has lost their shirt for it - yet.
Oh, and another thing... They aren’t the Lee Center "Volunteer" Fire Department. Not as far as the State has record. They are certificated as LCFD. There is nothing volunteer about them. Ask them who received payments for running Bingo. And 50/50. And for being Field Days Chairman. And all of the little miscellaneous jobs that they were financially compensated for. And of course there are the yearly payments to the officers simply for being officers. What, pray tell, is your definition of "volunteer"? And just how much money has been exchanged in a hush-hush way for all of these years?
I have one last thought on your liberal use of the term "dictatorship". I beg of you to ask a few former members about being intimidated and harassed. And I suggest that while you're learning about the correct usage of certain fifty-cent words that you consider adding the word "nepotism" to your list. Allow me to help you out a bit - Baker, Baker, Baker and, oh yeah, Baker.
#18 Oct 9, 2007
What is ment by this?
#19 Oct 9, 2007
Thank you for writing something intelligent. I hope you post again because this site needs that.
#20 Oct 10, 2007
URAFG, please expand on the recieving payments part of your post. You mean to say that individuals were receiving compensation from fund raising activities? Officers were being paid? From what source of funds?
Assuming this is true, and I'm not saying that it is, there is a very serious can of worms. I would like to know where you got your info from,
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