Petition Drive Against Fire Commissio...

Petition Drive Against Fire Commissioners starts once again.

There are 44 comments on the www.romesentinel.com story from Oct 25, 2007, titled Petition Drive Against Fire Commissioners starts once again.. In it, www.romesentinel.com reports that:

A nearly two-year-old petition drive to dissolve the Lee Fire District is being revived by supporters of the Lee Center Fire Department in its dispute with fire district commissioners.

Once again citizens of the Town of Lee have started a petition drive against the Board of Fire Commissioners due to the recent actions by the Board.

In the early stages of the dispute between the Fire Department and the Board of Commissioners members of the community came together and started a petition drive to remove the Board of Commissioners. During the last year while things seemed to be calm between the two entities the petition drive seemed to slow down also. But since resent events the community once again has risen up to say enough is enough.

Laking just a small percentage of the required signatures it will be presented to the Town Board once the goal is reached. John Urtz is quoted as saying that "there are certain vehicles we’d have to look at...but we’ve never really gotten into it because nothing has been presented."

Board of Fire Commissioners Chairman Michael Thompson stated this about Brian Myndryck; "instead of trying to work on solving issues, wants to go out of his way...to eliminate...a check and balance for the fire department." He said Mandryck does "not want to work with the governing body....He wants to give the fire department unfettered control...."

Brian Mandryck was elected by the community in the last election but was removed by an oversight about his oath of office. Given many oportunities and even with strong public outcry the Board of Fire Commisioners have continued to refuse to reinstate Mr. Mandryck to the board. The Fire Commissioners have the legal power to oppoint the position back to Mr. Mandryck.

Editors Note I believe it is the Board who are refusing to work with members of the community.

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Tas

Utica, NY

#1 Oct 27, 2007
I believe it is the Editors position to be partial to his fire department.
Lets get it all out

United States

#2 Oct 27, 2007
Looks like selective "Editing".

And now the rest of the story.

".....Urtz did express concern, though, that the timing of the renewed drive may "add fuel to the fire" in the dispute. He said Mandryck "should recognize that the courts are working with both parties to try to resolve the differences....I donít know but that the measures heís proposing...may continue the tension."

The first mediation meeting for the two sides is scheduled for Tuesday. "

What the heck is wrong with Mandryck? Its time to sit back and let the courts work.
I_Believe

Utica, NY

#3 Oct 27, 2007
I believe everyone one is against Lee Center Fireman
I believe that those people that claim they were intimidated are just paranoid.
I believe the the IRS will find us in compliance
I believe that woman didn't need ALS
I believe Taberg did everything wrong in that video and we did everything right.
I believe that we do not need Basic EMT training
I believe that anyone that wants anything other than that is a communist.
Tas

Utica, NY

#4 Oct 27, 2007
I_Believe wrote:
I believe everyone one is against Lee Center Fireman
I believe that those people that claim they were intimidated are just paranoid.
I believe the the IRS will find us in compliance
I believe that woman didn't need ALS
I believe Taberg did everything wrong in that video and we did everything right.
I believe that we do not need Basic EMT training
I believe that anyone that wants anything other than that is a communist.
ADD to this:
I believe Mandryck wants to stoke every fire. Turn neighbor against neighbor. Turn rescue personnel against that those they might rescue. For a VOTE!
MSrs

Utica, NY

#5 Oct 27, 2007
I want the fire commissioners to oversee this fire department.
Not in a namby pamby way, but in in real over site! There is something wrong when my donations are not going not for fire equipment.
what is happening

Whitesboro, NY

#6 Oct 29, 2007
i overheard some people talking about this and I want to know if this is true. Did the fire commissioners deny two 16 year old girls from becoming members of the dept? And that one is like ken's granddaughter and the other is related somehow? Can somebody please explain is this is true and if so how they have the power to do that? aren't they(fire commissioners) in enough hot water right now. Just throwing it out there.
TOLR

Utica, NY

#7 Oct 29, 2007
yes they did do that ,one was his granddaughter and the other was his brothers granddaughter,both also attended the Phoenix Fire Camp this past summer at the Utica Fire Academy.The have B*lls to deny them membership,but things will be taken care of for the girls from what I hear.
Lets get it all out

United States

#8 Oct 29, 2007
16 year olds belong in the womens auxiliary, not at the scene as working firemen.

They lack the mental and physical ability to protect themselves.

Do you really think going to camp makes a bit of difference? I'll bet it was lots of fun. They made new friends and saw lots of cute boys. Do you understand my sarcasm?

What the heck is wrong with you people?

Seriously, do any of you have any common sense?
There you go

AOL

#9 Oct 29, 2007
TOLR wrote:
yes they did do that ,one was his granddaughter and the other was his brothers granddaughter,both also attended the Phoenix Fire Camp this past summer at the Utica Fire Academy.The have B*lls to deny them membership,but things will be taken care of for the girls from what I hear.
News to me....
Omniscient

Fort Smith, AR

#10 Oct 29, 2007
what is happening wrote:
...if so how [do] they have the power to do that?
Go here: http://tinyurl.com/8pzmw
Click on TWN, then article 11, then 176.
(I apologize for not being able to provide a direct link.)

It's a long read but it outlines exactly what the Commissioners have the right to do. Why are there ANY comments about the Commissioners "doing things they can't do" and being in "hot water"? Do you even realize that they are ELECTED officials who govern over the Department? You voted them into office so they could do just what they're doing!

And what control does the Chief have? That can be found in article 176a. While you read that article please keep in your mind the image of a certain someone pounding his fists on the desk of the Commissioners.
LC Concerned Citizen

United States

#11 Oct 29, 2007
First off there are MANY departments with 16 year old members. It is called Scence Support for most of you morons that seem to know everything. They allowed other members below the age of 18. So why these ones. Must be the Baker family tree is the issue.
Yes they are elected. But they seem to forget that when a majority of the community asks for something and they ignore them. Hell they don't even allow the people who elected them to speak anymore. We did not vote them in so they can play GOD. So no they are not doing what we elected them to do.
And if your going to start spitting out town law remember there are other laws and policies in place also. So don't just read a paragraph and say Duh that fits.

Plan and simple YOu people have nothing but negativity. Someone posts a article about a awawrd. You guys have to find the negative about it.

Get a damn life will you.
Do you understand my sarcasm.

why dont you a__holes get off these boards and find someone else to harrasss.
Omniscient

Fort Smith, AR

#12 Oct 29, 2007
LC Concerned Citizen wrote:
So why these ones. Must be the Baker family tree is the issue.
Or maybe it's the bylaws that are preventing them from getting in. We'd want those girls covered by insurance should anything happen. Right?
LC Concerned Citizen wrote:
And if your going to start spitting out town law remember there are other laws and policies in place also. So don't just read a paragraph and say Duh that fits.
LOL? Okay. We should all just ignore the laws. I get it now!
Lets get it all out

United States

#13 Oct 29, 2007
16 is to young. Period.

Nothing could be worse that reading in the paper that a 16 year old girl was hurt at the scene of a fire.

Something to think about, if you gave a damn.

Let them grow up a few years and then apply.

Its common sense.

In the meantime, join the womens auxillary.
LC Concerned Citizen

United States

#14 Oct 29, 2007
SO your saying 16 year olds should not help out at a fire scene. THey can't do things like roll hoses, cleanup, change airpacks, no scene support at all.

Wow alot of fire departments would have to disagree with that measure.
Lets get it all out

United States

#15 Oct 29, 2007
LC Concerned Citizen wrote:
SO your saying 16 year olds should not help out at a fire scene. THey can't do things like roll hoses, cleanup, change airpacks, no scene support at all.
Wow alot of fire departments would have to disagree with that measure.
That's right. 16 year old girls should never be allowed at a fire scene. Please tell me the names of the local fire departments who have 16 year old girls as members so that I can call them and verify.
Concerned LC Citizen

Utica, NY

#16 Oct 29, 2007
Now we are discriminating against sex. Man I am glad you people do not run a fire department.

But lets get serious. True 16 year olds do not belong in a hot zone. or any idlh area for that matter. But you are going to tell me they cannot help fill out paper work. Carry a empty tank to a air-truck. Collect accountability tags if needed. Help setup rehab areas. Any true fire fighter or firefighter critic would know that there is more to fire fighting then pointing a hose at the flame. There are hundreds of things that need to be done that are not in a hazardous situation during and after a fire.

With memberships being a problem all over the place it is hard to believe that people would discourage young men and women to Volunteer.

New York State recognizes active firefighters age 16 and up, these
individuals, restricted or otherwise, may participate to the level appropriate to
their group or otherwise specific to their classification as determined by the safety
guidelines of the New York State Department of Labor, their governing agency
(fire department) and/or NYS General Municipal Law

Here go express your feelings to this dept.

http://www.topix.com/city/wellsburg-ny/2007/0...
http://www.stargazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...

Incase you can't get there here is a paste of the subject

The program has different age groups, Halm explained.

Children in the 10 to 12 age range are cadets, and they do some drills, march in parades and take part in fundraisers.

Youths between 12 and 16 are junior firefighters and they do more training on various aspects of firefighting and get more involved in the operation of the department.

At age 16, they can join the regular fire service.

Getting them interested early is key, Halm said.
Anon

Utica, NY

#17 Oct 29, 2007
STOP DROP and ROLL!
Lee Fireman are actually insisting a 16 year old female should be defending us against fire and terrorists?
WTF is that?

Omniscient

Fort Smith, AR

#18 Oct 29, 2007
Concerned... I agree 100% with what you said. Yes - start them early! Yes - get them involved! I think that more than ever before youths need to become involved in their community and become encouraged to help others. I'm passionate about this.

But the issue is the wording of the bylaws that prevents these 16 year olds from joining. Simply, they cannot join the FD and be covered by insurance. The Commissioners are saying no for the only acceptable reason - if, God forbid, something were to happen to these girls they would not be covered by insurance.
WTF

Utica, NY

#19 Oct 29, 2007
Omniscient wrote:
Concerned... I agree 100% with what you said. Yes - start them early! Yes - get them involved! I think that more than ever before youths need to become involved in their community and become encouraged to help others. I'm passionate about this.
But the issue is the wording of the bylaws that prevents these 16 year olds from joining. Simply, they cannot join the FD and be covered by insurance. The Commissioners are saying no for the only acceptable reason - if, God forbid, something were to happen to these girls they would
not be covered by insurance.
No...you miss the point! It is not that they are NOT covered by insurance. The issue is that they are 16 Year olds! Fireman should be adults. Adults capable of making the choice to die for even stupid people. They should at least be able to vote before they die in a fire.
Anyone that advocates their child has a greater right to die in a fire should have their parental rights revoked.
OMFG

Utica, NY

#20 Oct 29, 2007
Concerned LC Citizen wrote:
Now we are discriminating against sex. Man I am glad you people do not run a fire department.
But lets get serious. True 16 year olds do not belong in a hot zone. or any idlh area for that matter. But you are going to tell me they cannot help fill out paper work. Carry a empty tank to a air-truck. Collect accountability tags if needed. Help setup rehab areas. Any true fire fighter or firefighter critic would know that there is more to fire fighting then pointing a hose at the flame. There are hundreds of things that need to be done that are not in a hazardous situation during and after a fire.
With memberships being a problem all over the place it is hard to believe that people would discourage young men and women to Volunteer.
New York State recognizes active firefighters age 16 and up, these
individuals, restricted or otherwise, may participate to the level appropriate to
their group or otherwise specific to their classification as determined by the safety
guidelines of the New York State Department of Labor, their governing agency
(fire department) and/or NYS General Municipal Law
Here go express your feelings to this dept.
http://www.topix.com/city/wellsburg-ny/2007/0...
http://www.stargazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...
Incase you can't get there here is a paste of the subject
The program has different age groups, Halm explained.
Children in the 10 to 12 age range are cadets, and they do some drills, march in parades and take part in fundraisers.
Youths between 12 and 16 are junior firefighters and they do more training on various aspects of firefighting and get more involved in the operation of the department.
At age 16, they can join the regular fire service.
Getting them interested early is key, Halm said.
You now want 12 year olds to bring you coffee in a fire? Somehow I doubt your own 12 year old will be expected to do that. It it amazing to me though that you expect everyone else's 12 year old to do that.

A fire! This is not 18th century England. We don't ask 12 year olds to serve us.

WTF part of humanity do you belong to?

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