Missouri's Prop C: Voters Set to Challenge Health Reform

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Norton

Lenexa, KS

#20021 Dec 12, 2013
slim smiley wrote:
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Yup! Just like social security except social security wasn't started with good intent. It was started by socialists and it's still straight up socialism. I worked for my retirement so why should I have to pay for somebody else's retirement? It's just one socialist program after another with the progressives.
If we focus our power on removing both social security and obamacare we can start to get our country back in control.
I worked for many,many years and contributed to SS so I feel entitled to collect. My employer also contributed, so it's not like we are getting a handout! Obamacare is a totally different story. Obamacare is a way of getting total control of the people. It's a no-brainer! It will never work without total force by the government and I think that is what the left is up to. They don't really care about the people that do not have insurance. That is a ploy!

CHEERS!
slim smiley

Murphysboro, IL

#20022 Dec 12, 2013
Social Security was started by the left wingers. It is an entitlement that must be repealed along with obamacare. I shouldn't have to pay for somebody else's retirement. I pay my own way and these handouts must be stopped. Retired people and poor people can get all the help they need from their local church or charitable organization. It not my fault you people were too stupid to take care of yourself.

“So it's not you, It's them?”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#20023 Dec 13, 2013
slim smiley wrote:
Social Security was started by the left wingers. It is an entitlement that must be repealed along with obamacare. I shouldn't have to pay for somebody else's retirement. I pay my own way and these handouts must be stopped. Retired people and poor people can get all the help they need from their local church or charitable organization. It not my fault you people were too stupid to take care of yourself.
I understand in some other cultures, at an arbitrary point, family members take a senior out to the country, prop him up against a shade tree, give him a jug of water and a blanket and leave him there to die. From your post above and with your apparent lack of compassion and seeming lack of respect for seniors, you'd probably fit right in with one of those other cultures. You might be unaware that many of our seniors paid into the SS system for years and they only hope now to be repaid for their payments made into that system.
Everyday Joe

Farmington, MO

#20024 Dec 16, 2013
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abcde

Madisonville, KY

#20025 Dec 20, 2013
Obamacare was intended to do 2 things and it is doing both very well.

It was intended to provide free health care to Obama's political base, the non-working welfare recipient class. It is doing that. They get Medicaid. Absolutely FREE.

It was also intended to punish the working class who are the rank and file voters of the Republican Party. It is doing that just fine too. They are being stuck with huge premium increases that they must pay or be fined. Many will be unable to afford insurance and will end up paying the fine. If they can afford insurance, the deductibles and co-payments are so high that they cannot afford to use it for routine care.

Obamacare also has 2 built in mechanisms that will hurt workers even more than the individual mandate. First, by exempting employers with under 50 employees (and adding greatly to the cost of the premiums that they must pay if they do cover their employees) it encourages employers with just a few workers over 50, say 54, to lay off workers to get under the 50 limit. Many will do that. They will have no choice, since they cannot afford the higher premiums that they must now pay. The loophole that allows big employers with hundreds or thousands of low wage employees to not cover part time workers is an incentive for those employers to cut people's hours.

The aim was to force low wage workers onto the expanded Medicaid. However, there is a Catch-22 in that too. Take this example:

A 55 year old factory worker who worked for good wages for many years and is laid off because his job was outsourced to Asia. He owns a house that is paid for, two or more vehicles, and maybe a boat or a little tract of land that he uses for recreation. He has some savings. After he is laid off, he takes a full time job at low wages. It is all that he can get. It pays the bills and he figures he can last until age 62 and Social Security and retirement kick in. Then Obamacare hits his employer. If he works for an employer with 50 workers and he's no. 50, he will be the one fired. Last hired; first fired. He has to pay his own Obamacare, but he can't afford it.

"But," the Obamanites say, "He can get expanded Medicaid!"

Well, yes, he can. But - and here's the Catch-22 - he's not eligible for Medicaid because he has too much in the way of assets - that house and everything that he has worked all his life for. He has to liquidate those assets and spend the money before he can get Medicaid. It will impoverish him.

And that is just what Obama intended for it to do.
Everyday Joe

Farmington, MO

#20027 Dec 20, 2013
Think your state has Obamacare problems? They’re nothing compared to Guam.

The Northern Mariana Islands are an American territory in the Pacific Ocean with 15 islands and 77,000 residents. Their population is roughly equal to that of Sante Fe, N.M. And, right now, the territory is at the center of the oddest health reform disaster you've never heard of.

Because of a quirk in the Affordable Care Act's drafting, the Northern Mariana Islands and the four other American territories are subject to some parts of the law but not others. This has messed up the individual market in the Northern Mariana Islands so badly that the one plan selling policies there told the territory's top insurance commissioner it would not sell new plans for 2014.

In other words: Beginning Jan. 1, regulators expect it will be literally impossible for an individual to buy a new policy in the Northern Mariana Islands, and difficult in other territories.

Read it all at http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
Everyday Joe

Farmington, MO

#20028 Dec 22, 2013
Injunction Granted in Southern Baptist Contraception Case

A federal judge in Oklahoma City has granted an injunction to block an Obamacare mandate that religion-based groups provide insurance allowing access to the morning after pill and other contraceptives.

Friday's preliminary injunction came in favor of a class-action lawsuit that 187 ministries filed in October, reports Fox News. The group insurance provides benefits through GuideStone Financial Resources, which operates through the Southern Baptist Convention.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newswidget/obamacare-b...
Reader

Elsah, IL

#20029 Dec 25, 2013
Looks like some people ( ARE AWAKE ) that is AMAZEING !!!!
independent

Belleville, IL

#20032 Jan 10, 2014
Only Me wrote:
If any single one of you ever tried to buy your own private health insurance you would gladly be in favor of any health care reform. Anyone that is against health care reform is either getting Medicaid, Medicare, has insurance where you work, or is irresponsible and does not have any health insurance at all. The whole issue of Health Care Reform is not about government forcing anyone to buy health insurance. It is about changing a corrupt health care system.
Only ME I try to explain that to the people I work with. We have insurance through work it is the "Affordable Health Care Act not Obama Care as the tea party likes to call it. The poor have medicaid, seniors medicare this is so people who work three part time minimum wage jobs can afford health care. It isn't only you who sees that Namaste!
independent

Belleville, IL

#20033 Jan 10, 2014
Norton wrote:
<quoted text>
I worked for many,many years and contributed to SS so I feel entitled to collect. My employer also contributed, so it's not like we are getting a handout! Obamacare is a totally different story. Obamacare is a way of getting total control of the people. It's a no-brainer! It will never work without total force by the government and I think that is what the left is up to. They don't really care about the people that do not have insurance. That is a ploy!
CHEERS!
Norton amen I have paid ss for over fortyyears when I owned a business a hair salon my staff didn't rent a station and had to beresponsible to pay all their ss I paid have. I have paid my dues. Slim do u think paying n all these years I should lose that money. Had congress not pilferred ss it would besolvent. No instead it has a bunch of useless IOUs.
my story

Springfield, MO

#20034 Jan 11, 2014
In my specific situation.. I had to retire at age 58 because company folded. insurance was more than I could afford on a small pension. I have a serious liver condition. Thank goodness for the healthcare program. The gov. pays most of my premium. I have worked and paid taxes all my life. I feel, I deserve the help till I am old enough for medicare. The Gov. should help needy people. instead of supporting the lazy or other countrys.
Everyday Joe

Park Hills, MO

#20036 Jan 13, 2014
Oregon’s Obamacare Online Enrollment System Still Doesn’t Work More Than 3 Months After It Was Supposed To Launch

Gov. John Kitzhaber said Thursday the state has hired a firm to conduct an independent review of what went wrong with Oregon’s troubled health insurance exchange.

Several states and the federal government have struggled with exchange technology, but none as much as Oregon. Cover Oregon’s online enrollment system still doesn’t work more than three months after it was supposed to launch, and the state has hired or reassigned hundreds of workers to manually process applications. Officials say they hope the online system will be operational by March.

The state will pay First Data Government Solutions LP $228,000 to conduct the review, which is expected to begin later this month and take about six weeks.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/01/11/ore...
mr clean

Tampa, FL

#20037 Jan 13, 2014
Any time the goverment gets involved with any thing,they screw it up. The goverment can't fix insurance. Or any thing that helps the people. I buy my own insurance. I want the Wright to choose what's best for me!
Brian B

Murphysboro, IL

#20038 Jan 13, 2014
We are becoming a country of helpless baby birds, beaks pointed upward.. Begging for a handout or a bailout of some sort.

Our founding fathers would be ashamed to see what has become of the United States.

Thanks Democrats and RINO Republicans... You are successfully destroying the greatest country this world has ever seen.

?- did you know Obama is a magical n3gro?... He'll fix all our socirlety's whoes.
Everyday Joe

Park Hills, MO

#20039 Jan 13, 2014
Good News and Bad News for ObamaCare Nullification

If one liberty-minded lawmaker has his way, ObamaCare won’t be welcome in West Virginia.

Eric Householder, a member of the state House of Delegates, intends to offer a bill that would effectively void key provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) within West Virginia.

"As you know, for the first time in our history, Americans are going to be forced to purchase health insurance — or be penalized heavily by the federal government," Householder said, as reported by the Martinsburg (West Virginia) Journal-News. "Obamacare would enact up to 20 new taxes, costing American taxpayers up to $800 billion over a 10-year period.”

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/17379-g...
Everyday Joe

Park Hills, MO

#20040 Jan 17, 2014
Obamacare Time Bomb: Heirs May Face Bill for Your Healthcare

Millions of new enrollees are signing up for Medicaid due to its expansion under Obamacare, but many will be shocked to learn that their estates can be held liable for the costs of their healthcare.

As part of the 1993 budget reconciliation bill, Congress required states to implement the Medicaid Estate Recovery Program (MERP) to seek reimbursement of payments for nursing homes and long-term care facilities.

Obamacare, officially known as The Affordable Care Act, greatly expanded the services for which reimbursement can be pursued, and states can now use liens to recover money spent by Medicaid for services beyond long-term care.

States have discretion in how to implement the law, with some seeking to collect nearly all medical expenses.

Yevgeniy Feyman, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, said the intent of the program was to discourage people from using Medicaid as a free long-term health insurance plan while hiding their assets.

"People who can engage in asset planning are not going to be effected by it, but there is going to be a flood of new people and most are not going to be aware that their estates and heirs could be held liable for their healthcare costs," Feyman told Newsmax.

In October and November, the first two months of Obamacare implementation, nearly 4 million people enrolled in Medicaid, as the new healthcare law eased requirements to qualify for the program.

The Affordable Care Act effectively expanded Medicaid — designed as a program for low-income families — to all U.S. citizens and legal residents with an income below 138 percent of the federal poverty line in states that agreed to go along with the program. But individual states can set a higher threshold.

So far, 26 states and the District of Columbia have expanded their Medicaid programs. But many Republican governors have balked, citing the increased cost once federal aid diminishes.

Some states that expanded the Medicaid program are now trying to backtrack on the reimbursement rules.

In response to consumer outrage, the Washington State Health Care Authority filed an emergency rule to amend Medicaid's estate recovery policy so that only costs related to long-term care can be recovered by Medicaid.

In Wisconsin, the state legislature is considering measures to rescind some or all of the powers it gave the administration of Gov. Scott Walker to recover Medicaid expenses for nursing home or other care.

"It's a very strange setup with regard to long-term care financing because there are a lot of assets that are excluded, so you can be financially well-off and still access the program," said Mark Warshawsky, an adjunct scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and vice chairman of the federal Commission on Long-Term Care.

"In addition, trying to recoup expenses after the fact is very cumbersome for both the government and the consumer," he said.

"Not all states do a good job in pursuing repayment of costs and many are not quick to do it when they do enforce [MERP]. There is a great variation in the seriousness with which each state takes the program," Warshawsky told Newsmax.

Warshawsky said the ability of states to make adjustments to how MERP is applied within jurisdictions reflects the sheer arbitrariness and inequity of the program and of Obamacare in general.

"There are so many areas in the ACA that merit re-examination and adjustment that at some point you have to ask whether it makes more sense to just start over. There are so many areas and this is just one small area that exposes the fault lines in the law," Warshawsky said.

He examined Medicaid's asset-exclusion limits and concluded they have opened the door to abuse by permitting individuals with generous liquid assets to qualify for Medicaid.

"Significant long-term care benefits flow to individual... http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-me...
Noname

Cape Girardeau, MO

#20041 Jan 17, 2014
lobo wrote:
Hope it goes. The Civil War was fought over states rights. Missouri is a great place to live.
. You must have not lived anywhere else.

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#20042 Jan 17, 2014
mr clean wrote:
Any time the goverment gets involved with any thing,they screw it up. The goverment can't fix insurance. Or any thing that helps the people. I buy my own insurance. I want the Wright to choose what's best for me!
I don't know if I agree with that I'd say they have done a pretty good job especially when seeing other countries on this rock.

“So it's not you, It's them?”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#20043 Jan 17, 2014
So "Everyday Joe" is all in a dither because Medicare might ask folks with significant assets, or their estates, to repay medical expenses that they pawned off on Medicare to pay? Because they're entitled to have you or me pay part or all of their medical expenses, in spite of the fact that they could have afforded to pay them, themselves? Do you even read articles that you cut and paste? Whew!
Everyday Joe

Park Hills, MO

#20044 Jan 17, 2014
A senior fellow with the Family Research Council says the Obama administration has greatly undermined religious liberty – both home and abroad – and in the process weakened American foreign policy.

Ken Blackwell is the senior fellow for family empowerment at the Family Research Council in Washington, DC. The former secretary of state for Ohio also serves on the faculty of the Liberty University School of Law, and is a senior fellow at the American Civil Rights Union.

"I believe that history may record that the Obama administration is the most anti-Christian, anti-Israel administration in United States history," he tells OneNewsNow.

In a recent column in which he accuses of the president "quenching America's sacred fire," Blackwell appeals to the administration to change course because he believes religious freedom is the most important of human rights and that without it people exist only as political or economic entities – not as free individuals.

Blackwell believes the ObamaCare mandates on people of faith provide a good example, as does the president's omitting any mention of God in speeches and limiting religious freedom in the military.

Looking abroad, the FRC fellow contends President Obama "has been the least supportive of religious liberty as a real strong part of our foreign policy."

The White House supported and provided financial aid to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, which was finally ousted by the people – but ignored was the persecution of Coptic Christians in the same country.

Religious freedom, concludes Blackwell, is a sacred right and "an integral part of American exceptionalism. It is what makes us free," he says, "because we believe that our human rights come from God, not from government."

Blackwell says it can be turned around but people of faith need to push back when government steps on our human rights and that's starting now.

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