Were the Moors Black?

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Dec 11, 2012
 
Really you don't know what you are talking about. There are no Moorish coat of arms. You are writing about Moors and yet do not know one basic element in Islam. The Moors were and are Muslims. Muslims cannot depict humans and animals. THERE ARE NO MOORISH COAT OF ARMS WITH BLACK MEN. ANY IDIOT SHOULD KNOW THAT THE MOORS COULDN'T EVEN PAINT ANY HUMANS BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST THE TENETS OF ISLAM, SO HOW COULD THEY HAVE COATS OF ARMS WITH BLACK MEN????

As regards the Moors of Spain, you give me the name of any Spanish or Moorish writer in Spain at the time of the Moors who wrote that the Moors in Spain were black. Quoting English, American etc who hadn't even been to Spain is irrelevant and misleading.

Now go back to school.
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You still did not answer me. Why are most of the moorish coat of arms have blacks on them?
Why did most early writers of moors (shakespeare, nagaymath turquio, etc) only wrote of black moors?
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#575
Dec 11, 2012
 
i know some moores and they are not black...tim moore, rob moore, cindy moore...all very white

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Dec 12, 2012
 
So sorry for the multiple posting
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Dec 16, 2012
 
1."The word Moor means black" In what language? In the American Negro dialect perhaps? Certainly not in Spanish where in the official Spanish dictionary there is no mention of the word "black" or even "dark" ib the 10 definitions of "Moro" {We are talking about the Moors of Spain not "Detroit Moors"}

2. Which Spanish or North African source mentionedt that the invading Moors were "black" ?

3. You would certainly insult Berbers if you call them Black or even Moors. They call themselves Tamazigh. If you want to see what the Tamazigh look like just YouTube "Tamazigh" and watch ALL the videos relating to Tamazigh

4 Certainly the Greek and Roman civilizations were Mediterranean but only an idiot would claim that the Mediterranean region was occupied by "Blacks"

5. Thanks for letting us know what every one knows ie the origin of the word "Gibraltar" You could help by mentioning the other dozens of Spanish towns and villages whose names like Gibraltar are derived from Arabic

6. I assume by "grease" you mean "Greece"

7. It is up to Black Americans to see they are not "written out of history" But they seem to be reluctant to go to sub-Saharan Africa where they come from. They seem to want to become Egyptians, other North Africans, Olmecs, Hebrews etc. Many basketball and other sportsmen even adopt Arabic names, presumably thinking that Ar"black" languageabic is a
Gene Black wrote:
the word moor means black we have assumed that
the moors were mixed when they invaded Spain
that was what was put into the history books
general tarik was dispatched to the coast line
of Spain along with 700 Berber (black) moors
by musa-ibn-nusair with orders not to invade the
interior which he disobeyed and sacked Spain
the white Arab moors came later to join
in the spoils...see the moors in Spain by Stanley
lane Poole.
The name the rock of Gibraltar was a corruption
of the Spaniards for general gebel tarik's name.
As Africans were being written out of history
580 years were added to the time line to graft
whites onto history to give them a sense of antiquity they never had.
We assume that Rome and grease were European creations but they were Mediterranean inspired
nations instead because at the time there was no Europe
the word Europe was no even being used
see john henrik Clarke
Egypt had gone threw 25 ruling dynasties
before Europe was even born.
That is why you never hear about ancient European
history because it never existed
see john g. Jackson introduction to African
civilization.
The moors in Spain by Stanley lane Poole
Their descendants are scattered around the world today
Juliian

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#581
Dec 16, 2012
 
So I read a bunch of these posts. And all the name calling. So does anyone know what ethnic/race/skin color of the Moors were. I am not trying to be racist or anything I am just curious. I love to study anthropology and history.
LION

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#585
Jan 13, 2013
 
Marco wrote:
Really you don't know what you are talking about. There are no Moorish coat of arms. You are writing about Moors and yet do not know one basic element in Islam. The Moors were and are Muslims. Muslims cannot depict humans and animals. THERE ARE NO MOORISH COAT OF ARMS WITH BLACK MEN. ANY IDIOT SHOULD KNOW THAT THE MOORS COULDN'T EVEN PAINT ANY HUMANS BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST THE TENETS OF ISLAM, SO HOW COULD THEY HAVE COATS OF ARMS WITH BLACK MEN????
As regards the Moors of Spain, you give me the name of any Spanish or Moorish writer in Spain at the time of the Moors who wrote that the Moors in Spain were black. Quoting English, American etc who hadn't even been to Spain is irrelevant and misleading.
Now go back to school.
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Spanish king Alphonso X wrote that the 4 moorish kings of aragon were 3 being mulato and the 4th one a pure negro.
Historian Ali Ibn Allah also wrote of moorish king Al mansur as being part black, part arabic.
You are in serious denial buddy. Get some help with your own self esteem.
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Jan 13, 2013
 
Marco wrote:
Really you don't know what you are talking about. There are no Moorish coat of arms. You are writing about Moors and yet do not know one basic element in Islam. The Moors were and are Muslims. Muslims cannot depict humans and animals. THERE ARE NO MOORISH COAT OF ARMS WITH BLACK MEN. ANY IDIOT SHOULD KNOW THAT THE MOORS COULDN'T EVEN PAINT ANY HUMANS BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST THE TENETS OF ISLAM, SO HOW COULD THEY HAVE COATS OF ARMS WITH BLACK MEN????
As regards the Moors of Spain, you give me the name of any Spanish or Moorish writer in Spain at the time of the Moors who wrote that the Moors in Spain were black. Quoting English, American etc who hadn't even been to Spain is irrelevant and misleading.
Now go back to school.
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Again, why did most writers (song of roland, shakespeare, etc) only wrote of black negro moors?
And there are plenty of black moorish coat of arms.
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Jan 13, 2013
 
Marco wrote:
Really you don't know what you are talking about. There are no Moorish coat of arms. You are writing about Moors and yet do not know one basic element in Islam. The Moors were and are Muslims. Muslims cannot depict humans and animals. THERE ARE NO MOORISH COAT OF ARMS WITH BLACK MEN. ANY IDIOT SHOULD KNOW THAT THE MOORS COULDN'T EVEN PAINT ANY HUMANS BECAUSE IT GOES AGAINST THE TENETS OF ISLAM, SO HOW COULD THEY HAVE COATS OF ARMS WITH BLACK MEN????
As regards the Moors of Spain, you give me the name of any Spanish or Moorish writer in Spain at the time of the Moors who wrote that the Moors in Spain were black. Quoting English, American etc who hadn't even been to Spain is irrelevant and misleading.
Now go back to school.
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And why was st maurice called a moor even before the start of islam?
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#588
Jan 13, 2013
 
Marco wrote:
1."The word Moor means black" In what language? In the American Negro dialect perhaps? Certainly not in Spanish where in the official Spanish dictionary there is no mention of the word "black" or even "dark" ib the 10 definitions of "Moro" {We are talking about the Moors of Spain not "Detroit Moors"}
2. Which Spanish or North African source mentionedt that the invading Moors were "black" ?
3. You would certainly insult Berbers if you call them Black or even Moors. They call themselves Tamazigh. If you want to see what the Tamazigh look like just YouTube "Tamazigh" and watch ALL the videos relating to Tamazigh
4 Certainly the Greek and Roman civilizations were Mediterranean but only an idiot would claim that the Mediterranean region was occupied by "Blacks"
5. Thanks for letting us know what every one knows ie the origin of the word "Gibraltar" You could help by mentioning the other dozens of Spanish towns and villages whose names like Gibraltar are derived from Arabic
6. I assume by "grease" you mean "Greece"
7. It is up to Black Americans to see they are not "written out of history" But they seem to be reluctant to go to sub-Saharan Africa where they come from. They seem to want to become Egyptians, other North Africans, Olmecs, Hebrews etc. Many basketball and other sportsmen even adopt Arabic names, presumably thinking that Ar"black" languageabic is a
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I am aware that sub suharan africa had some great kingdoms.
Dogon empire
mali
Great zimbawe
Kano city
Eredo
And the black nubians were the foudnation of ancient egypt.
LION

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Juliian wrote:
So I read a bunch of these posts. And all the name calling. So does anyone know what ethnic/race/skin color of the Moors were. I am not trying to be racist or anything I am just curious. I love to study anthropology and history.
If you read up on most of the descriptions of the moors (song of roland, shakesepare, etc) they are of black negroes.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
Gene Black wrote:
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black people were and is the hope of the world
then and now.
I think you mean were and are the hope of the world. You're certainly not the hope of English grammar.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
1. What "Dogon Empire"? There are half a million dogons, some Christian, some Muslims, mostly something else and they all live and have always lived, in mud huts. The didn't have an alphabet either. The same applies to the "Great Zimbabwe" and Mali. Most of the West African "empires" were taken over by a few Moroccans, similarly to what happened last year in Mali.
Kano was Islamized by the Arabs and so mosques etc were built and Arabic taught like in any area of the Middle East. Up to the end of the 19th century more than half the population were slaves and lived in slave villages. Nowadays murder of Christians and bombing of churches occur frequently and two days ago even the Emir was shot. One of the most-observed customs of Kano is the female genital mutilation of 6 year-old girls often with an ordinary razor. Not a place for the faint-hearted.
LION wrote:
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I am aware that sub suharan africa had some great kingdoms.
Dogon empire
mali
Great zimbawe
Kano city
Eredo
And the black nubians were the foudnation of ancient egypt.
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#592
Jan 21, 2013
 
It does take a little effort on your part though.Just a tiny effort. If someone tells you that the original inhabitants of Japan were Blacks or Whites you have to ask the ones who have said so to prove it, you don't ask the Japanese to prove that they weren't Black or White.

Similarly the Mediterranean region had no Blacks even up to Roman times. When you see statues of the Numidian (large region of North Africa) kings sculpted at the time you see Caucasoid faces. Similarly in Roman mosaics still existing in North Africa. The people of North Africa were similar to the Iberian people of Spain and Portugal. They were Berbers. Berbers still speak their own language, and retain many of their customs. The purest of Berbers live in their mountain strongholds eg Kabilye in Algeria. Nowadays Berbers call themselves Amazigh (though originally it referred to a single tribe of Berbers - there are quite a few) If you want to see what the Berbers look like, just YouTube "Amazigh" or "Amazigh Phenotypes" or "Amazigh Beauties" (They've got some lovely green-eyed girls )
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Can you people please post your peer reviewed articles or books? Everyone on here is insulting everyone else's ethnicity, but can't provide sources. I would love to know the article or book that states blacks are or are not moors. Like Buddha i believe nothing and question everything.
LION

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Jan 22, 2013
 
Marco wrote:
1. What "Dogon Empire"? There are half a million dogons, some Christian, some Muslims, mostly something else and they all live and have always lived, in mud huts. The didn't have an alphabet either. The same applies to the "Great Zimbabwe" and Mali. Most of the West African "empires" were taken over by a few Moroccans, similarly to what happened last year in Mali.
Kano was Islamized by the Arabs and so mosques etc were built and Arabic taught like in any area of the Middle East. Up to the end of the 19th century more than half the population were slaves and lived in slave villages. Nowadays murder of Christians and bombing of churches occur frequently and two days ago even the Emir was shot. One of the most-observed customs of Kano is the female genital mutilation of 6 year-old girls often with an ordinary razor. Not a place for the faint-hearted.
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YOu dont make any sense although I udnerstand your ignroance a little. The first wave of arabs came out of ethiopia 8000 years ago. They later become known as the saracean moors.
The Dogon empire was an origianl great black empire. Kano was als o a great original black empire.
I noticed that you did not coutner me on nubia.
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#594
Feb 16, 2013
 
Have a court trial for thomas jefferson and find him guilty im sure es guilty since slavery is illegal now but i dont see blak people doing anything about blak slave girls being pimped and made to sell their bodies cause blak people were the first ones to have slaves and to slave other blak people and dont care about slavery also white people are the ones who made slavery illegal not blaks ho figure
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#596
Mar 25, 2013
 
Gene Black wrote:
the word moor means black we have assumed that
the moors were mixed when they invaded Spain
that was what was put into the history books
general tarik was dispatched to the coast line
of Spain along with 700 Berber (black) moors
by musa-ibn-nusair with orders not to invade the
interior which he disobeyed and sacked Spain
the white Arab moors came later to join
in the spoils...see the moors in Spain by Stanley
lane Poole.
The name the rock of Gibraltar was a corruption
of the Spaniards for general gebel tarik's name.
As Africans were being written out of history
580 years were added to the time line to graft
whites onto history to give them a sense of antiquity they never had.
We assume that Rome and grease were European creations but they were Mediterranean inspired
nations instead because at the time there was no Europe
the word Europe was no even being used
see john henrik Clarke
Egypt had gone threw 25 ruling dynasties
before Europe was even born.
That is why you never hear about ancient European
history because it never existed
see john g. Jackson introduction to African
civilization.
The moors in Spain by Stanley lane Poole
Their descendants are scattered around the world today
you should do a post about white slavery because very few people know anything about it!
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#597
Apr 2, 2013
 
Knight wrote:
It's very easy to call others racist, especially when the person calling it is Black and/or non "white". As if a Black person can never be called a racist...LOLZ.
My whole point is..and here's the rub....is does it really matter what color people were? It's their actions and ideals that count, NOT what color or shade they had/have. Since I'm not "recgognizin" or giving credit to dark complected people I'm a racist. Irony much?
If you read previous posts from the above Gene Black (I'm sure no pun intended) and from the chick (Black H. Beauty) who types in ebonics..they are simply button pushers. It's like the kids in grade school who would cry wolf if you looked at them wrong during recess.
Do I think the history of MAN is skewed? Do I think the past, current, future textbooks are written in a format ignoring "BLACK" culture,
or that ideals of the Public education are lacking? Yes. But I can easily say let's include the history of the Asians, Mexicans, Russians,
American Indians, etc. etc.
I could give a fried chicken leg less if the Moors were Black. I do care when I see overt posts being so obvious at their height in being hypocritical.
Black calling Kettle. Yes.
Its funny you say that race does not matter. If it foes not matter then why are we not learning this in school. All we learn about is what good the white people do. I think it is important to learn about where you came from and the true history of the world
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#598
Apr 23, 2013
 
WOW. you all took this way too far.
-Everyone is a little racist (and some people are a little more racist)...Even the allegedly black posters on here.
-This wasn't meant to be a discussion on race/ethics/education in America.

However, if you feel that the benchmarks for K-12 learning need to be changed, lobby your local representatives and make strategic votes for more funding in the Education realm so that schools can afford to buy books that were written after the Cold War ended. If you don't have time for that, DONATE the books you feel are important to the history teachers. The good ones are always looking for supplemental materials.

You all are just banging your heads again a wall. Be productive with your passion.
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#599
Jul 13, 2013
 
Being Slavic I'm not at all impressed with moors or any other race that for far longer enslaved my people. And being a over taxed hated 1%er this odd revisionist what? Africanized so called history is humorous and explains a lot as to why so many fail in the easiest place on the planet to succeed. Life is way too short to allow your brains to pickle in bizarroland
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Jul 14, 2013
 
black queen wrote:
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Its funny you say that race does not matter. If it foes not matter then why are we not learning this in school. All we learn about is what good the white people do. I think it is important to learn about where you came from and the true history of the world
Actually you're right. I do believe that Blacks should have their own schools and their own hospitals . Why should countries like enjoy this and not American Blacks?

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