Ban on smoking lights a new fire

Full story: Kansas City Star

For more than two years, the city of Lawrence has prohibited smoking in many public places, including bars.

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Tom

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Apr 23, 2007
 
Pro-smoking attorney Billy Rork asks "What's next? Are they going to outlaw heavyweight people or people that don't have designer clothes or are redheads?"

What a moron. If I spend an evening in a bar where people are fat or have red hair, I don't come home fatter or with redder hair... If it is a smoking bar, though, I DO come home reeking of cigarettes often have to take medicine to ward off an asthma attack.

And smoking in restaraunts?!?

Imagine if half of your favorite eatery was filled with people who had uncontrollable flatulence... Would that bother you as you tried to enjoy a nice meal? Well, that's pretty much what it's like having someone smoke next to you while you're dining.

Go ahead, smoke all you want... Just don't exhale.

Bon Apetit!
Denise

Jefferson City, MO

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Apr 23, 2007
 
Smokers are everybody. We are nice or not, neat or slovenly, educated or illiterate, wealthy or destitute, of good character or depraved. We are your family, your friend, your co-worker, your boss, your employee, your waiter, your pilot, your cabbie, your favorite movie star, your grocer, your doctor.
Smokers don't want to annoy others, to irritate, to cause contention, to "blow smoke in anyone's face," to "force" anyone else to breathe our smoke.
Smokers don't like being defamed, being insulted, being called "addicts" or "junkies," being sent out in the cold and rain, or away from the building to smoke, being burdened with more taxes than any other segment of society, having our children taught to hate and fear us, being called "ignorant, selfish child abusers" or even worse, "murderers."
We are one in four of the population; there are some 60 million of us. We smoke. We don't want to quit, and if we do, we will, without your help or your coercion. We CHOOSE a lifestyle activity that you may not like. That's okay. It's not required that we all like what others do. But when you let that dislike turn into a deliberate disenfranchisement of one-quarter of the population, you should rethink your position.
If a non-smoker wants to open a non-smoking restaurant or bar, he should have that option. A smoker should have the same option to open a smoker-friendly restaurant or bar, plainly marked, to cater to the portion of the population that shares that lifestyle choice. Equal treatment under the law is a precious part of our country, and this issue has dragged it in the dirt of anti-smoker zealotry.
It's time to stop the insanity.
Scarecrow

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Apr 26, 2007
 
Well said, Denise.

I smoke. I have for a long time. I like to smoke. Nicotine is the most addictive substance known to man, even more addictive than Heroin, so in that sense I suppose I am an ‘addict’. However, smoking doesn’t cause me to participate in the same type of activities that a Heroin addict may participate in to support their habit.
I smoke in my home, in my car and in a Bar that I sometimes go to. I don’t smoke in places that are designated as “Non-Smoking”.
The whole Smoking Ban is just another way for Government to control our lives, another way for ‘them’ to take away from our already dwindling supply of personal Freedoms.
I smoke by choice, simple as that. Yeah, yeah I’m aware of the Health Issues and frankly I don’t care. After all, is living in a World where when, where, what and how you conduct your every personal activity is dictated to you by ‘Big Brother’ really living?

Oh, and Tom…if you find hanging out in a place where people smoke so offensive I have a very simple solution for you…DON’T GO THERE DUDE!!!!!
Nemo31

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Apr 26, 2007
 
Scarecrow wrote:
Well said, Denise.
I smoke. I have for a long time. I like to smoke. Nicotine is the most addictive substance known to man, even more addictive than Heroin, so in that sense I suppose I am an ‘addict’. However, smoking doesn’t cause me to participate in the same type of activities that a Heroin addict may participate in to support their habit.
I smoke in my home, in my car and in a Bar that I sometimes go to. I don’t smoke in places that are designated as “Non-Smoking”.
The whole Smoking Ban is just another way for Government to control our lives, another way for ‘them’ to take away from our already dwindling supply of personal Freedoms.
I smoke by choice, simple as that. Yeah, yeah I’m aware of the Health Issues and frankly I don’t care. After all, is living in a World where when, where, what and how you conduct your every personal activity is dictated to you by ‘Big Brother’ really living?
Oh, and Tom…if you find hanging out in a place where people smoke so offensive I have a very simple solution for you…DON’T GO THERE DUDE!!!!!
Scarecrow, don't belittle yourself to the antis brainwashing. Nicotine is no more addicting than caffiene. To compare yourself to a heroin addict is way out there. Think about it! Do you steal for your habit? Do you function day to day? Do you consistently have to up your dosage? Does your nicotine habit give you black outs? Would you free base a nicotine patch if you ran out of cigarettes? If you smoke because you like it? Enjoy it! If not? Quit! Just don't get down on yourself because of the socilist anti-tobacco propoganda. Stop being a sheepl and stand tall.
Scarecrow

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Apr 26, 2007
 
Nemo31,

No offense intended but you completely misinterpreted my previous remarks. Somehow you construed them exactly opposite of the way they were intended. I wasn’t comparing myself to a Heroin addict I was making the comparison to show the foolishness of that tactic by the ‘anti-smoking’ faction. Unfortunately sarcasm doesn’t translate well to the written word. And, just as an FYI, Nicotine IS the most addictive substance known to man. It’s more addictive than Heroin and certainly more so than Caffeine.
Nemo31

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Apr 26, 2007
 
Scarecrow it is tuff to tell sarcasm on these forums.

As to nicotine and heroine. The claims that nicotine is more adictive than heroine comes from studies done by Dr. Neal Benowitz out of the University of San Francisco Cal. The same department that Anti Tobacco Pro Stanton Glantz is a member of. Funded by Big Pharma dollars such as Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. This is the same Dr. Benowitz that recommends NRTs for children as young as 15 for long term treatment (Big Pharma sales). This is the source of all those other articles you will read. Plus many other antis are more than happy to jump on this funding band wagon to become part of the great deception. This is all part of their greater agenda to demonize tobacco. Off course they are all making a nice living of of it.
JEEP_GOD

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Apr 26, 2007
 
And, no one should soon forget that glantz doesn't even have a true medical degree.

He's a mechanical engineer, and a liar, and a tool. Plus, they make a handsome living from the scare tactics they promote.

And Tom's post really sums up what it's about to most people.

They just don't "like the smell". It's a shame that they feel it's alright for the government to step in, and dictate what someone has to do on their own property, and in their own business.

The wheels are turning however, and all the small potatoes antis are going to get caught up in them too. In the end, all this nannyism will effect everyone, in some way.

Way to go, guys.

As for the antismoking groups, they're in it for the money. Period.

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