Texas Driver Responsibility Surcharg...
DJJ

Houston, TX

#41 Sep 16, 2008
It's simple.....if you have insurance you drive, if you don't you shouldn't be driving. I believe the general public is just tired of those individuals getting a free ride.
Jon

Austin, TX

#42 Sep 22, 2008
I got put on this program after getting ticketed for no insurance. I usually pay my insurance 6 months or 1 year at a time and simply forgot to renew it in time. When I showed my insurance to the officer it had lapsed by only a day or two - tough luck!
Anyway, I knew nothing about this program until I started receiving the surcharges in the mail. I don't think anyone would argue that there shouldn't be penalties for driving without insurance, but you will ultimately spend over $1,000 dollars over the course of 3 years.
That's assuming you don't miss a payment and give them an excuse to assess a series of more fines and hoops to jump through. The amounts are unreasonable and the payment plan is specifically designed to increase the likelihood of assessing fines in order to extract more money out of people. It's simply ridiculous.
DJJ fails to recognize that as citizens of the USA we vote and thus decide what are reasonable laws and penalties. It is in everyone's best interest to discuss a cumbersome, unfair, and intentionally vindictive law and have to replaced with something more sensible.
DJJ

Houston, TX

#43 Sep 24, 2008
I'll bet you won't let it happen again !
Pay up !

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#44 Oct 8, 2008
DJJ besides simply being an ignorant asshole who needs his jaw broke, has failed to realize that some of us got snared into this while having insurance. I've always had insurance, just didn't have the actual paper on me one night in a freshly restored classic car. Not my usual daily driver. But the car is and was insured. No free ride here as head ass wipe states.
And here's the kicker, besides DJJ being rude and clueless, the DPS computer in the cop car shows everything about you. Where you bought your car, who financed the car, how much you owe on the car. It shows if you have current insurance and everything else about you.
So if this is true, and they know right away. Why even ask to see the actual paper? It's in their computer? Unless they have figured out a way to slam the average joe on a technicality. Which is what it amounts to. It is extortion, it is a racket. And DJJ, seriously, go away....your an idiot fool.
Desi

Houston, TX

#45 Oct 10, 2008
Klugscheiber wrote:
DJJ besides simply being an ignorant asshole who needs his jaw broke, has failed to realize that some of us got snared into this while having insurance. I've always had insurance, just didn't have the actual paper on me one night in a freshly restored classic car. Not my usual daily driver. But the car is and was insured. No free ride here as head ass wipe states.
And here's the kicker, besides DJJ being rude and clueless, the DPS computer in the cop car shows everything about you. Where you bought your car, who financed the car, how much you owe on the car. It shows if you have current insurance and everything else about you.
So if this is true, and they know right away. Why even ask to see the actual paper? It's in their computer? Unless they have figured out a way to slam the average joe on a technicality. Which is what it amounts to. It is extortion, it is a racket. And DJJ, seriously, go away....your an idiot fool.
Hay Dip Stick ! I'll let you in on a little secret....if you have insurance the courts allow you to sent in a copy of your insurance certificate and "poof" the ticket goes away. Now stop all the bullshit, you didn't have insurance and should pay all fines and fees because of not having it. You can always pick up a "throw down insurance certificate" at the mexican flea market.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#46 Oct 13, 2008
Hey Dipstick, I did have insurance, and yes, I went to court, paid court costs and ticket was dismissed. Poof? Right? Here's the truly exceptional part of the story...
A couple years goes by and I have moved a few times, apparently in the meantime the Texas DPS decided upon a RETROACTIVE FINE POLICY. Keyword "Retroactive".
This means they come after you at a later date on something you thought "POOF" went away.

So I was pulled over one night for a defective tail-light. Long story short, I'm being arrested and placed in a cop car. They offer no reason, just handcuff you and off you go.

Has anyone here ever been arrested and detained and you honestly had no idea why? It's a great experience.

So later I find out I had warrants for over two years, I didn't know it. They decide (illegally) to come after people who had been to court once already on an offense. Isn't that double jeopardy? To punish again for an offense? For failure to maintain automobile insurance, which I had.
So I asked them why wasn't I informed? Why wasn't the notification sent Certified mail? They respond with, it's too expensive. DPS also admitted failing to notify many citizens anyway. So if you move, or simply failed to be notified by DPS, it's no excuse, you will be broad-sided by this.

You have no right to trial on this. You do not get an option for a lawyer either. Habeas Corpus (is the name of a legal action, or writ, through which a person can seek relief from unlawful detention of himself or another person. The writ of habeas corpus has historically been an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action.) is not an option. Your options are to pay the extortion money or go back to jail.

In a nut-shell, this was a giant money grab. And there's alot more to this than driver responsibility. Sure, DPS would like you all to believe it's about responsibility, and you folks pop off smart remarks and you dont have a clue whats really going on here. Boy, sure are alot of ignorant assholes around here think they know everything....jeez....irritate s those of us that really do.

Oh, wait, I think it's part of the 700 billion dollar bail-out. Moron...
DJJ

Houston, TX

#47 Oct 14, 2008
There's entirely too many folks driving without insurance. This is one way to punish them.(hit em' in the pocketbook).

Cry, Cry, Cry !

"Pay Up" !
Brian

Dallas, TX

#48 Oct 26, 2008
DJJ sounds like a government shill.

You are quite emotionally charged on this issue. Very suspicious.

“Fight the TX Driver Respon Law”

Since: Mar 08

Austin, TX

#49 Nov 3, 2008
Guys, just ignore DJJ. His comments are appreciated, thus proving he is obviously in need of some attention.
DJJ

Houston, TX

#50 Nov 4, 2008
Cry ! Cry ! Cry !

Get over it and pay up !
Stephanie in Keller

Fort Worth, TX

#51 Nov 12, 2008
My husband is now going through this surcharge nightmare. He got a no insurance ticket and had to file for an sr-22, paid his $100 to the state and was told about this surcharge fee he had to pay. That was just a few months ago. He has since received 2 more letters stating he had more surcharge fees for 2 other insurance tickets and now is being ordered to pay almost $2700 over the next 3 years no to mention what he has ALREADY paid to the state for the tickets and the sr-22. He received these tickets in 2006 & they are just now hitting him up for this money all at once, 2 years later. I dont understand how this is legal at all. It just seems so completely wrong and the more he tries to do the right thing and take care of this nonsense the more letters he gets in from Austin requesting more money. I am sick and tired of this crap and something needs to be done.
Stephanie in Keller

Fort Worth, TX

#52 Nov 12, 2008
DJJ wrote:
It's simple.....if you have insurance you drive, if you don't you shouldn't be driving. I believe the general public is just tired of those individuals getting a free ride.
Its not getting a "free ride" its about being fair in the punishment. I agree everyone should have insurance and if they do not then they are at risk of getting their license suspended and also paying a fine of about $400 for the ticket plus the $100 sr-22. This additional "surcharge" is BS. My husband didn't have insurance at the time of his ticket because of financial reasons and now the state expects him to pay almost $2700 on top of what he has already paid which is over $1000 already. It seems like the state is being completely unreasonable with this and not considering the fact that they are taking food out of the mouths of a lot of families. So like I said I do agree that everyone must have insurance to drive but the consequence should match the offense and not drive families into a fast downward spiral that causes them to choose between buying winter clothes for their children, food for their families or pay ridiculous amounts of hard earned cash to a government that is o.k with putting families through this unfair dillema.
Mike

Graham, TX

#53 Nov 18, 2008
DJJ wrote:
No ! No ! No ! No excuses ! As I've stated: You've got to take responsibility for your own actions ! Look in a mirror and blame the person you see ! Stop with the excuses !
Your an idiot. Can't wait until you do something so insignificant like forget your DL at home or don't replace your most up to date insurance card in your glove box. That's all it takes for Tx to think you owe them $250yr/3 yrs.
Mike

Graham, TX

#54 Nov 18, 2008
Desi wrote:
<quoted text>
Hay Dip Stick ! I'll let you in on a little secret....if you have insurance the courts allow you to sent in a copy of your insurance certificate and "poof" the ticket goes away. Now stop all the bullshit, you didn't have insurance and should pay all fines and fees because of not having it. You can always pick up a "throw down insurance certificate" at the mexican flea market.
Hey dipshit, I'll let you in on a little secret...courts do dismiss these charges on people all the time, and DPS still assesses the surcharge anyway. It goes into collection with Municipal Services Bureau, a private collections agency, and then on they don't care whether the original charge was dismissed, overturned, or what. They still try to extort cash out of people without judicial process, and they're crooks.
Mike

Graham, TX

#55 Nov 18, 2008
My license expired many years ago and I was moving quite a bit and working out of state a lot with a security firm at the time. This was right after leaving the military, where I was deployed overseas. I had a lot of IDs from a lot of different places, different states, passport, DoD ID, restricted access facility IDs for Air Force and Army, international DL, employer ID... I just frankly forgot about the Tx license renewal and only checked for mail at my "permanent address" on occasion. Only those who needed to know and who were closest to me had an address that was a more direct contact for me. Whether my "papers" are in order for the state of Texas, on a driver's license I seldom used, is not the most demanding everyday concern I have in my life, nor should it be for anyone. This is not a police state...yet. I got a couple of expired DL tickets later when driving in Tx. and took care of them, but DPS wanted to turn what should have been a $16 renewal into hundreds of dollars in unconstitutional fines. When I went to renew my license, which was simply expired, I was told it was "suspended" until I paid a surcharge and could go to jail for even driving. This is unconstitutional because DPS is assessing penalties in the form of suspensions and fees against people without a proper court order, and this is a violation of due process rights. DPS is an executive agency, not a judicial agency, and they should stop acting as a judicial agency. Not only that...that bastards don't even administrate most of the operation themselves! They contracted it out to a friggin collection agency! Municipal Services Bureau.
DJJ

Houston, TX

#56 Nov 18, 2008
Stephanie in Keller wrote:
My husband is now going through this surcharge nightmare. He got a no insurance ticket and had to file for an sr-22, paid his $100 to the state and was told about this surcharge fee he had to pay. That was just a few months ago. He has since received 2 more letters stating he had more surcharge fees for 2 other insurance tickets and now is being ordered to pay almost $2700 over the next 3 years no to mention what he has ALREADY paid to the state for the tickets and the sr-22. He received these tickets in 2006 & they are just now hitting him up for this money all at once, 2 years later. I dont understand how this is legal at all. It just seems so completely wrong and the more he tries to do the right thing and take care of this nonsense the more letters he gets in from Austin requesting more money. I am sick and tired of this crap and something needs to be done.
And what would have happen if your husband hit someone without insurance ? I'm sure he would have paid for any damages right ?

I say pay the fines and fees......he should have had insurance.
DJJ

Houston, TX

#57 Nov 18, 2008
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Your an idiot. Can't wait until you do something so insignificant like forget your DL at home or don't replace your most up to date insurance card in your glove box. That's all it takes for Tx to think you owe them $250yr/3 yrs.
Pay up Mikey !

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#58 Nov 18, 2008
Ok, Djj is obviously a little punk fukhead with nothing better to do than rub people the wrong way.
He obviously gets a kick out of pissing people off.

Does not matter if he "gets it" or not. He's been revealed as the blithering idiot he really is, and he knows it. So the only response he can come up with is typical to adolescent brats. Kinda like the bratty 12 year old at a social function, not yet intelligent enough to join the group, but wants to be a part. Because of social ineptitude, they act like Djj. If he's not 12 years old as I suspect, then unfortunately, his mind has not yet developed beyond that of a 7th grade playground punk that really needs his.....

No sense in letting an immature 12 year old with nothing relevant to say ruffle any feathers...
Like most bratty kids, ignore them and they'll go away.
DJJ

Houston, TX

#59 Nov 19, 2008
If you drive without insurance you should have to pay a fine and / or fines. What is so difficult to understand. No sympathy from this end dip - stick !

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#60 Nov 20, 2008
True DJJ, if someone does not have insurance, then there should be repercussions. Granted, there already are repercussions. However, many like myself have always had insurance. I've NEVER gone without insurance. Just did not have the piece of paper with me. I also do not feel sorry for the "I can't afford insurance" people. Get a frikking bike or car pool. Take the bus or something.

The problem is "Double Jeopardy" I figure you are about 12, so I'll explain this.
Double jeopardy (non bis in idem) is a procedural defense (and, in many countries such as the United States, Canada, Mexico and India, a constitutional right) that forbids that a defendant be tried twice for the same crime on the same set of facts. At common law a defendant may plead autrefois acquit or autrefois convict (a peremptory plea), meaning the defendant has been acquitted or convicted of the same offense. If this issue is raised, evidence will be placed before the court, which will normally rule as a preliminary matter whether the plea is substantiated, and if it so finds, the projected trial will be prevented from proceeding.

The second bad part is you have no option of
Habeas corpus, no rights, no way out. You cannot hire an attorney. You do not have a legal leg to stand on. I'll explain it.

Habeas corpus is the name of a legal action, or writ, through which a person can seek relief from unlawful detention of himself or another person. The writ of habeas corpus has historically been an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action. Also known as "The Great Writ," a writ of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum is a summons with the force of a court order addressed to the custodian (such as a prison official) demanding that a prisoner be brought before the court, together with proof of authority, allowing the court to determine whether that custodian has lawful authority to hold that person; if not, the person shall be released from custody. The prisoner, or another person on their behalf (for example, where the prisoner is being held incommunicado), may petition the court or an individual judge for a writ of habeas corpus.

The right to petition for a writ of habeas corpus has long been celebrated as the most efficient safeguard of the liberty of the subject.

I'm guessing you have never had a run-in with the law. Good boy, keep it that way. But if you do, you will need an attorney and you will need your rights.
Bottom line, when the authorities having jurisdiction secretly decide to strip your rights, strip your ability to hire a lawyer, and fine you again for offenses over three years old that you already paid for once is CRIMINAL.

I really don't expect you to understand what is actually going on Dj. I'm posting this in hopes that more intelligent people read it and act on this atrocity.

-your BFF the "dip-stick"

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