Friendswood principal leaves after 'Islam 101' scandal

There are 19 comments on the Jun 5, 2008, www.chron.com story titled Friendswood principal leaves after 'Islam 101' scandal. In it, www.chron.com reports that:

The Friendswood Junior High principal who outraged some parents by allowing an Islamic group to make a 40-minute presentation to students last month is now off the job.

In a two-sentence statement sent late Wednesday, the school district said Robin Lowe "has accepted another administrative position effective immediately."

The news drew relief from some who were incensed by the May 22 presentation and concern from others who considered the assembly a good way for students in the predominantly Anglo Christian school to learn about other cultures.

About 875 seventh- and eighth-grade students attended the presentation given by two women with the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Houston, according to the school district.

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Houston Mom

Texas City, TX

#21 Jun 10, 2008
Just Another Mom wrote:
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Ok.... I hear you. "Actually" I am not defending her, I think it was wrong but I think she is not the only person that should get repromanded. I was merely trying to point out that I really find it hard to believe she did all this without anyone knowing. Also.... I think we are making a bigger deal of it than the kids ever thought about doing. Myself included my participating in this chat. I asked my daughter again, and let me make it clear.... we are just your normal anglosaxon family, that goes to church on a regular basis and have the same beliefs that almost everyone in this area have, she did think anything of it other than they were trying to make them all understand how the earlier incident made those "kids" feel. And how it hurt their feelings, she did tie religion into it all just the fact that they were kids that attended that school and should be treated as anyone else.
When you present Muslim...you present Islam. There is no separation of culture and religion.
Please do a search on CAIR and while you are at it, read up on Islam. The description you gave of yourself and your family means you are all Indifels to Muslims. Then look up the presentation they gave at the school including the powerpoint slide show.
Lauren

Houston, TX

#22 Jun 10, 2008
Houston Mom wrote:
This was not a "culture" tolerance thing. They spoke of the 5 stations of Allah...they made comments on girls having shorts on. Commented that dress codes should be changed. I suppose they wanted our children to dress in those tents. They commented that Allah is the only real God and that Jesus was just a prophet. I know quite a few of the children that attended this assembly and they have told me what was said. Does this sound like a culture tolerance lecture? If this had been a Christian assembly the ACLU would have been out in force in Friendswood. Personally, I have not forgotten 911, and never will. Do you all remember how many innocent lives have been taken in the name of "ALLAH"...they teach to hate and kill all infidels which is anyone that is not muslim. That does not sound like a peaceful, kind, loving God. Oh, and let's not forget the way women are looked upon in their "culture"/religion. Very much second class or lower. Wake up America or we will be learning, by force, the 5 stations of Allah. These people, and yes others too, have learned to turn our democracy on us and force us to give in to their demands. Just try to have an assembly in any of the middle east countries on Christian tolerance! You will wind up getting your head chopped off or stoned to death in a public display! Please WAKE UP AMERICA.
First of all everything you stated about islam is wrong!!! Just because some muslims on 9/11 did something very bad and beleive God will take care of what they commented because Muslims are against killing!!! When you said that muslim women are oppressed... you are wrong. I am in my third year of Medical school and I graduated from my class in the ten!!! Does that sound like an oppressed woman to you? Let's not forget my three sisters, which two of them are doctors and one of them about to finish law school. Let's not forget the acts of Steve Corish in the Waco situation or how about the cult sect? All those children being abused sexually and the women dressed like it is 1850. Those woman are not allowed education, like in islam woman can receive an education. As for the middleeast, my parents have friends who are Christians and they are there best friends. There are Christian churches in the middleeast, I don't know if you know that. Not to be rude, but you need to wake up and it is people like you sterotype and don't want to learn anything because your ignorance and pride keep you from acheiving that goal. I am also sure that when they spoke about jesus being a only prophet, they were just saying this is what we believe, not what you should believe and the shorts issue, they probaly said girls in our relgion are not allowed to wear shorts in public. I am not going to state anything further, just research your information before you write or say anything.
Another John

Jasper, TX

#23 Jun 11, 2008
Lauren wrote:
<quoted text> First of all everything you stated about islam is wrong!!! Just because some muslims on 9/11 did something very bad and beleive God will take care of what they commented because Muslims are against killing!!! When you said that muslim women are oppressed... you are wrong. I am in my third year of Medical school and I graduated from my class in the ten!!! Does that sound like an oppressed woman to you? Let's not forget my three sisters, which two of them are doctors and one of them about to finish law school. Let's not forget the acts of Steve Corish in the Waco situation or how about the cult sect? All those children being abused sexually and the women dressed like it is 1850. Those woman are not allowed education, like in islam woman can receive an education. As for the middleeast, my parents have friends who are Christians and they are there best friends. There are Christian churches in the middleeast, I don't know if you know that. Not to be rude, but you need to wake up and it is people like you sterotype and don't want to learn anything because your ignorance and pride keep you from acheiving that goal. I am also sure that when they spoke about jesus being a only prophet, they were just saying this is what we believe, not what you should believe and the shorts issue, they probaly said girls in our relgion are not allowed to wear shorts in public. I am not going to state anything further, just research your information before you write or say anything.
What the average American does not understand is that most who follow Islam have the same dreams as them. They can enjoy life as they please. Islam, as a religion, is not oppressive. But, what you are not admitting is the roles of women and men who embrace Islam. Nor do you admit the fear that Muslims have for the Islamic extremists.
You are at risk from them just like anyone else.
As far as the incident in question here....most of us oppose ANY religion having a forum at a school. Unlike Muslim countries, we truly seek freedom of religious belief in America...as long as it does not break the laws that protect us all or interfere with someone else's beliefs.
Houston Mom

Texas City, TX

#24 Jun 11, 2008
Lauren wrote:
<quoted text> First of all everything you stated about islam is wrong!!! Just because some muslims on 9/11 did something very bad and beleive God will take care of what they commented because Muslims are against killing!!! When you said that muslim women are oppressed... you are wrong. I am in my third year of Medical school and I graduated from my class in the ten!!! Does that sound like an oppressed woman to you? Let's not forget my three sisters, which two of them are doctors and one of them about to finish law school. Let's not forget the acts of Steve Corish in the Waco situation or how about the cult sect? All those children being abused sexually and the women dressed like it is 1850. Those woman are not allowed education, like in islam woman can receive an education. As for the middleeast, my parents have friends who are Christians and they are there best friends. There are Christian churches in the middleeast, I don't know if you know that. Not to be rude, but you need to wake up and it is people like you sterotype and don't want to learn anything because your ignorance and pride keep you from acheiving that goal. I am also sure that when they spoke about jesus being a only prophet, they were just saying this is what we believe, not what you should believe and the shorts issue, they probaly said girls in our relgion are not allowed to wear shorts in public. I am not going to state anything further, just research your information before you write or say anything.
IT was not just 911. IT was before and it has been since 911. IT is not just in America. IT is in the UK, Australia, France...America just happens to be my number one concern. I have researched and I still am. Why don't you consider "really" looking at what Islam has brought to each of these places.
Houston Mom

Texas City, TX

#25 Jun 11, 2008
Lauren wrote:
<quoted text> First of all everything you stated about islam is wrong!!! Just because some muslims on 9/11 did something very bad and beleive God will take care of what they commented because Muslims are against killing!!! When you said that muslim women are oppressed... you are wrong. I am in my third year of Medical school and I graduated from my class in the ten!!! Does that sound like an oppressed woman to you? Let's not forget my three sisters, which two of them are doctors and one of them about to finish law school. Let's not forget the acts of Steve Corish in the Waco situation or how about the cult sect? All those children being abused sexually and the women dressed like it is 1850. Those woman are not allowed education, like in islam woman can receive an education. As for the middleeast, my parents have friends who are Christians and they are there best friends. There are Christian churches in the middleeast, I don't know if you know that. Not to be rude, but you need to wake up and it is people like you sterotype and don't want to learn anything because your ignorance and pride keep you from acheiving that goal. I am also sure that when they spoke about jesus being a only prophet, they were just saying this is what we believe, not what you should believe and the shorts issue, they probaly said girls in our relgion are not allowed to wear shorts in public. I am not going to state anything further, just research your information before you write or say anything.
If you and your sisters (among others) are not oppressed, then why do Muslim women feel the need to have their hymen replaced prior to marriage to a Muslim man? A man can "return" a bride if she does not behave, feel quite the way he expects and bleed as a virgin would be expected to do?
Here is a quote from the article and the link to the article from the NY TIMES is below that.

"“So if you’re looking to marry a Muslim and don’t want to have problems, you’ll try to recapture your virginity.”

http://www.topix.com/world/2008/06/operation-...
Let_Charlie_Figh t_His_War

League City, TX

#26 Jun 12, 2008
Houston Mom wrote:
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If you and your sisters (among others) are not oppressed, then why do Muslim women feel the need to have their hymen replaced prior to marriage to a Muslim man? A man can "return" a bride if she does not behave, feel quite the way he expects and bleed as a virgin would be expected to do?
Here is a quote from the article and the link to the article from the NY TIMES is below that.
"“So if you’re looking to marry a Muslim and don’t want to have problems, you’ll try to recapture your virginity.”
http://www.topix.com/world/2008/06/operation-...
Is everyone too young to remember that Lady Diana Spencer had to go throght a medical exam to confirm her virginity before she could marry the Prince of Wales? The premium placed on premarital virginity is held by many cultures, not just Muslims. Just passe in the secular West, that's all.
Let_Charlie_Figh t_His_War

League City, TX

#27 Jun 12, 2008
Houston Mom wrote:
This was not a "culture" tolerance thing. They spoke of the 5 stations of Allah...they made comments on girls having shorts on.
They're known as the "5 pillars of Islam." Am I a Muslim? No. How do I know this? I learned it in Texas Public Schools. It was on a test. Why did we learn it? Because knowing it is more important than not knowing it.

So many people get their information about other religions from people in their own religion and not members of those religions. Example: the Southern Baptist Convention has a brochure for its members about Catholicism. Sufficient to say, I bet there are factual errors in that brochure. But then again, I don't think accuracy is the main objective when you see these "fact sheets" and "exposes" on other religions.
Another John

Jasper, TX

#28 Jun 12, 2008
Debating who knows the most about Islam, or any other religion, will not solve this issue. The real issue here is that members of Islam were allowed to present what amounted to an evangelitical message to a group of children. The issue would have been the same if a Christian or Jewish group had been allowed to make a presentation about their beliefs. This goes far beyond prayer in school or the pledge of allegience. Just because the Islamic group made a big issue out of a school yard incident between kids the officials over-reacted. If there had been someone in charge who was strong enough to say "No, but we will address this in a way that educates the students about everyone's right to be who they are without fear of confrontation."
Instead, a weak decision by weak administrators has caused turmoil in the minds of impressionable youngsters. I hope this same weakness is not reflected the other important decisions made by these administrators.
Let_Charlie_Figh t_His_War

League City, TX

#29 Jun 12, 2008
Another John wrote:
The real issue here is that members of Islam were allowed to present what amounted to an evangelitical message to a group of children.
The school district spokesperson said there was no prosletyzing going on.
Another John wrote:
The issue would have been the same if a Christian or Jewish group had been allowed to make a presentation about their beliefs.
Do we know this? THe article said this was part of a yearlong study about respect, tolerance, and culture. I'd be interested to find our what other groups were invited to attend throughout the year.
Another John wrote:
Just because the Islamic group made a big issue out of a school yard incident between kids the officials over-reacted.
Do we know this? Somehow this has developed into a school district's reaction to one incident where the article clearly states it was part of a yearlong study. I'd like to find out more about this.
Another John wrote:
Instead, a weak decision by weak administrators has caused turmoil in the minds of impressionable youngsters. I hope this same weakness is not reflected the other important decisions made by these administrators.
Do we know this? YOu do realize what that here we are in the 21st century, outraged that our children were exposed to new ideas...at school.

In his zeal to bash Islam, one Galvesotn county official, reflecting the obtuseness of the majority Protestant fundamentalists in the area, managed to bash other Christians.

The first person to detect the slur in this sentence, please speak up:

“Why not let Hasidic Jews come in or let Catholics speak or Christians?” he said.“If you’re going to do one, let all of them have the opportunity to talk.”
Houston Mom

Texas City, TX

#30 Jun 12, 2008
Let_Charlie_Fight_His_War wrote:
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Is everyone too young to remember that Lady Diana Spencer had to go throght a medical exam to confirm her virginity before she could marry the Prince of Wales? The premium placed on premarital virginity is held by many cultures, not just Muslims. Just passe in the secular West, that's all.
The point is, if you read the article, apparently you did not, these women
feel they have to have this surgery which makes them "a virgin" again (physically) in order to "fool" their new husbands. Have you not heard of the "HONOR" killings of women that have slipped and "shamed" their families. If they are not oppressed then these "secret" surgeries would not be happening.
Lies, that is what this whole thing is about.
Another John

Jasper, TX

#31 Jun 12, 2008
Let_Charlie_Fight_His_War wrote:
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The school district spokesperson said there was no prosletyzing going on.
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Do we know this? THe article said this was part of a yearlong study about respect, tolerance, and culture. I'd be interested to find our what other groups were invited to attend throughout the year.
<quoted text>
Do we know this? Somehow this has developed into a school district's reaction to one incident where the article clearly states it was part of a yearlong study. I'd like to find out more about this.
<quoted text>
Do we know this? YOu do realize what that here we are in the 21st century, outraged that our children were exposed to new ideas...at school.
In his zeal to bash Islam, one Galvesotn county official, reflecting the obtuseness of the majority Protestant fundamentalists in the area, managed to bash other Christians.
The first person to detect the slur in this sentence, please speak up:
“Why not let Hasidic Jews come in or let Catholics speak or Christians?” he said.“If you’re going to do one, let all of them have the opportunity to talk.”
This a prime example of the old addage: "If you can't convince them with facts, you dazzle them with Bullsh1t." It's like having a meeting and sending the action item to "committee." Debate the damn thing to death and never get to the root cause. If the Islamic students had been forced to listen to Christian or Jewish presentations you would have heard about the "sensitivity" agenda before now. So, get to the root cause of the problem, fix it, and then move on. This is management 101.
Houston Mom

Texas City, TX

#32 Jun 12, 2008
Another John wrote:
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This a prime example of the old addage: "If you can't convince them with facts, you dazzle them with Bullsh1t." It's like having a meeting and sending the action item to "committee." Debate the damn thing to death and never get to the root cause. If the Islamic students had been forced to listen to Christian or Jewish presentations you would have heard about the "sensitivity" agenda before now. So, get to the root cause of the problem, fix it, and then move on. This is management 101.
Exactly right! An incident with one student, regular school yard bullying and the Muslims called it a hate crime. It was said to have even been reported to the FBI as such. This was their excuse to have CAIR involved. I cannot tell you how many kids have been bullied and it was dealt with between the kids or even with school officials. However, never proclaimed to be a hate crime. Kids have differences. Usually they can muddle through them. I guess if you are Muslim you get special treatment. I can tell you, I have felt bullied by some of these Muslims in my various shopping trips. They push in front of me in the aisle, they cut in the lines at the cashier and then they glare at me like I am in their way!(yes, you can see their eyes!)I am now becoming very vocal with them as I am tired of always having to be "politically correct" or "turn the other cheek". The men are even worse than their women! When I first started encountering them in various places, I thought maybe they had just never been taught any manners.
The longer it goes on the more I see they are just extremely predjudiced towards me (in my capri's and T-shirts, or maybe it is my white skin, blue eyes and blonde hair) Maybe I should start calling in these "bullying sessions" in the stores against me to the authorities!!

NOW...please folks...read up about CAIR, ISLAM and the whole Islamic terrorist movement.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Houston Mom

Texas City, TX

#33 Jun 12, 2008
Let_Charlie_Fight_His_War wrote:
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Is everyone too young to remember that Lady Diana Spencer had to go throght a medical exam to confirm her virginity before she could marry the Prince of Wales? The premium placed on premarital virginity is held by many cultures, not just Muslims. Just passe in the secular West, that's all.
I don't think Diana had to worrry about being killed in an honor killing (by her own family) had she not been a virgin! There is a huge difference.
Friendswood Dad

Houston, TX

#34 Jun 14, 2008
It is amazing that people dont realize that kids at this age pick on each other. Calling it a hate crime is silly. You get picked on because of your clothes, height, weight, hair color...

But as soon as a white kid picks on a non-white... "HATE CRIME!" No no no. KIDS.

Maybe the kid(s) we just bullies, or maybe the kid that was picked on was being a butthead.
Dont be so quick to yell HATECRIME!
Let_Charlie_Figh t_His_War

League City, TX

#35 Jun 14, 2008
Friendswood Dad wrote:
It is amazing that people dont realize that kids at this age pick on each other. Calling it a hate crime is silly. You get picked on because of your clothes, height, weight, hair color...
But as soon as a white kid picks on a non-white... "HATE CRIME!" No no no. KIDS.
Maybe the kid(s) we just bullies, or maybe the kid that was picked on was being a butthead.
Dont be so quick to yell HATECRIME!
Did anyone say "hate crime?" Texas, for all practical purposes, has no enforeceable hate crimes laws.
Nasrin

United States

#36 Jun 14, 2008
This is a great book. I read it and it opened my eyes and made me understand things I previously didn't. I know now that I can't judge a whole religion based on the actions of a few crazy militants.
anonymous wrote:
Dear houston mom,
I understand your frustration with Ken Superman and his attempts to provoke you. At the same time I can't agree with you that Islam is purely a religion of violence and that all muslims hope to kill all non-muslims. I also, however, would not argue that Islam is a religion of peace. All religions have violent members who subvert the core teachings of their religion to justify their violent actions. Just as Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers invoke Islam as their motivation for killing, so Hitler invoked Christianity to justify the Holocaust, and so Jewish settlers invoked Judaism in 1940 when they slaughtered Palestinians to drive them from Israel. No religion is purely good just as no religion is purely evil. At the core of all three of these monotheistic religions, however, are very similar values of peace, love, and equality. In the current world those values sometimes may be hard to find, but I assure you that you will find them if you scratch beneath the surface.
anonymous
p.s. if you are at all interested, a great book to read is "No God but God" by Reza Aslan. Reza Aslan is an Arab-American who graduated from Harvard who has written this book not as an attempt to indoctrinate Americans but to help people understand Islam's complex history. Please take a look at it. I think you'll find it very interesting.
Another Friendswood Mom

Friendswood, TX

#37 Jun 14, 2008
Just Another Mom wrote:
I think the whole thing is just crazy. I have a child that attends that school and she didn't think it was a big deal at all until all the adults started making a big deal about it. The principal has been there for many many years and kids love her. She made an error in judgement and has been the one to take the fall for it all. I think everyone should take a look at her bosses... she did not act alone. Do you really think they didn't know what was going on. Really???? On the other had, I totally agree that is should never have happened and we should have been informed. But for someone to loose their job over it? Come on?????
I totally agree with you, but she has been there only four years... not many, many. Who do we contact for a true investigation of what happened. It's a small town, everybody hears about EVERYTHING... funny hw this "hate-crime" incident slipped by us. If it looks like a snake, and smells like a fish, you got slippery tuna! LOL! Seriously, this just doesn't add up. Too many convenient outs for admin here like, we didn't read our emails that day. Come on, This is wrong, With all the great, wonderful, intelligent, Christian people in this town (who by the way have been silenced, afraid to speak out against the well orchestrated show of support for Mrs. Lowe. Wake up people, look around, it's slowly happening. We're losing our rights to stay politically correct. My daughter too goes to the school, sat thru the presentation and said Lowe stamped her personal endorsement at the end of the presentation by saying that parts of her family were Muslim. This is nothing more than a CYA, the way all negtive things are handled here. They are swept under the rug... Think about this, why did the Muslim kids parents notify CAIR? It was after all typical behavior of 14 year old boys, believe me, I've hard worse. Who labled it a hate-crime and why did this kids parents feel it necessary to notify cair? They can thank themselves for all this crap. I just don't get it, they come here in search of the American way of life, yet, they expect us to cowtow to them. Why don't they just blend in and get along with us?Why the knee-jerk over reactions when something happens. Just get along here. We have done fine without Muslim influence for many, many years. Don't come here and expect us to all "change" for you. Crap, when in Rome, do as the Romans. I suspect, this kids parents are the terrorists next door, and they have a direct hotline to CAIR. They were probably just waiting for one little thing to happen so they cold cry foul play and then get the ACLU involved. FISD who promotes a zero tolerance for BULLIES, then they turn around and allow CAIR to bully their way right into our school. Shame on Friendswood for cratering and allowing this, and for not better checking into the background of this organization. Yes, there are many of us who are still deeply upset, but will have to hold our tongues. Somehow, in standing up for what we believe in as Christians, we have been villified and made into Witch hunters. Hell,we just want to know that it won't happen again. Honetly, someone should do a formal investigation of the events that led up to this, but as usual, the "rug" is calling, waiting for the broom to do the quick clean up.
Amy

San Francisco, CA

#38 Nov 3, 2013
Small correction: Aslan is not an Arab-American. He's an Iranian-Americsn.
Truth Seeker

Alvin, TX

#39 Nov 6, 2013
Iranians are Persian and not Arab

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