Lawton police say Fort Sill has a gang problem

Lawton police said the Fort Sill Army base is home to many soldiers who also are gang members, but base officials dispute that claim. Full Story
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conserned

Shawnee, OK

#1 Nov 10, 2008
Fort Sill needs to wake up gangs are using the militery to spred the ideas and mimbership accross the nation
Lawton Officer

Oklahoma City, OK

#3 Nov 12, 2008
I can say for a fact that some Soldiers are in gangs. I have been a Soldier for over 20 years and have seen the change come through the Army. I have been at several post that i know have gang members on them ie; Ft. Bragg, Ft. Stewart and here at Ft. sill. All you have todo is open your eyes, see the colors hanging from the rearview mirrors in their vehicle, or the flashing of gang signs or hand shakes. It is a real problem and it is not going away anytime soon. There has even been an alarming number of traffic stops on the post envolving weapons being found in the vehicles of soldiers. Soldiers at the clubs showing weapons without concern, and even Soldiers shooting at Soldiers and killing one another at the old Night Trips Club. Yes, we have a problem alright, the question is what is the Chain of Command going to do about it, even some of them are in one.
Crystale

AOL

#5 Nov 27, 2008
Lawton Officer wrote:
I can say for a fact that some Soldiers are in gangs. I have been a Soldier for over 20 years and have seen the change come through the Army. I have been at several post that i know have gang members on them ie; Ft. Bragg, Ft. Stewart and here at Ft. sill. All you have todo is open your eyes, see the colors hanging from the rearview mirrors in their vehicle, or the flashing of gang signs or hand shakes. It is a real problem and it is not going away anytime soon. There has even been an alarming number of traffic stops on the post envolving weapons being found in the vehicles of soldiers. Soldiers at the clubs showing weapons without concern, and even Soldiers shooting at Soldiers and killing one another at the old Night Trips Club. Yes, we have a problem alright, the question is what is the Chain of Command going to do about it, even some of them are in one.
I agree with you 100%... I see the colors and the hand shakes. There lingo as well. I live in a nice part of town and right next door is a grandmother that can not control her grandkids that live with her. She is basically overtaken by them. My teen hears it from them and at her school. I am a corrections officer and have to see and deal with enough at work. In New York DOCS it was crazy enough, but when I came here I was shocked. When it is right next door and at my kids school. It just makes me sick... I here 8 yr olds starting. It is a never ending cycle...
Renovations

Rexburg, ID

#6 Jan 12, 2009
I heard that the gangs are calming down in Lawton, and that concerned business owners have gotten together to make the town a better place to live. Have you heard of Meadowbrook Apartments? They did extensive renovations, hired security and have changed the whole character of their part of town.

It's worth looking at:
http://meadowbrookok1.blogspot.com/
undisclosed

Marquette, MI

#7 Jan 13, 2009
Not sure if you all know this but the Army is the ONLY branch of the service that will take enlistee's with a criminal record. What does that tell you? The Army has had gang problems for many years. This is nothing new. Fact of the matter is they are so desperate for bodies they'll take anybody. What sucks is the other branches of the service that HAVE to be at Fort Sill for training having to witness this garbage in a uniform.
Newaza

Fort Sill, OK

#8 Jan 13, 2010
undisclosed wrote:
Not sure if you all know this but the Army is the ONLY branch of the service that will take enlistee's with a criminal record. What does that tell you? The Army has had gang problems for many years. This is nothing new. Fact of the matter is they are so desperate for bodies they'll take anybody. What sucks is the other branches of the service that HAVE to be at Fort Sill for training having to witness this garbage in a uniform.
Not sure if you know this but, ALL the branches of service will take enlistee's with a criminal record. I think you need to do some research because that is a blatant LIE. Secondly, your comments about other branches coming to Fort Sill and having to witness it? Really? You act as if the Army is seperated from the Military as a whole. Every branch of service has this problem. The Army just happens to be the largest branch therefore, it is seen more. If you would do some research you might know this. I agree that Ft. Sill has a gang problem. I know I will do my part and help "root" out the gang element. But, do your part and research your facts. I think if you take the time to research gangs in the military you are going to find out how ignorant your comment was. Oh, and take the time to research moral (criminal) waivers for enlisting in ALL branches of services. Tell me what you find :)
atheist angel

Reston, VA

#9 Jan 21, 2010
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/04/gns_wai...

http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs32/32146/mili...

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegi...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/06/15/... :Read this one entirely! It is a prime example of how the military will allow & except any behavior as long as you are doing stuff they don't want too.

http://www.militarysexoffendersregistry.com/s...

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp...

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,1...

The problem is not just the gang members infilterating the military...it's the military's tolerance of it. Sadly, there is a 'joke'(if you can call it that), but there is more truth to it than the average citizen knows: The United States military has a NO TOLERANCE policy against sexual assault or harrassment***

***=Unless we like you, need you for a mission, or don't feel like investigating. If we like the rest of you, we can overlook that whole rape charge.

Until I personally served, there is no way I would have came close to believing how many things are covered up! An E-6 broke in an E-4 (single mother)'s house at Fort Bliss, Tx sexually/physically assaulted her, after months of him sexually harrassing her at work. CID (Criminal Investigation Department) founded the complaint after pictures and speaking to multiple witness's. They founded probable cause that he:
1) Sexual Harrassment
2) Sexually Assault
3) Breaking & Entering
4) Cruel & Unusual punishment
5) Abuse of authority
CID recommended charges, BUT--the prosecution allowed his battery commander to 'handle' the situation; who inturn wrote it off and made it 'go away'. So what happens to an E-6 that is a prime suspect in 2 other rape cases at different posts, and is charged with the above crimes??-- He gets promoted to E-7 and touted as a 'hero'.
atheist angel

Reston, VA

#10 Jan 21, 2010
correction above for the nazi kid...I meant as long as you are doing what they want you to
Gangs

El Paso, TX

#11 Jan 28, 2010
Must be a major story there. I hope there pants are not on the ground
disgusted by society

Granbury, TX

#12 Jan 29, 2010
undisclosed wrote:
Not sure if you all know this but the Army is the ONLY branch of the service that will take enlistee's with a criminal record. What does that tell you? The Army has had gang problems for many years. This is nothing new. Fact of the matter is they are so desperate for bodies they'll take anybody. What sucks is the other branches of the service that HAVE to be at Fort Sill for training having to witness this garbage in a uniform.
Correction...the Army (as much as I think they can be a lazy bag of crap) is not the only branch that take criminals. I am female Marine and I am surrounded by criminals. Open your eyes...they come in as gang members...steal military tactics and get out honorably after 4 years. It happens in the Marine Corps and Army. I used to wonder why Lawton had such a gang problem...I know after living in SoCal for so long. Marines and Soldiers get stationed somewhere. There little brothers get in trouble back home...so they move close to their siblings. I knew of kids leaving LA for Lawton. There is NO Way the could have known about Lawton except from siblings in the Armed Forces...no its spilling over into what used to be a nice clean town Duncan. Is there anywhere I can raise my son that doesnt have such a negative influence?!!
yupper

Lawton, OK

#14 Sep 1, 2010
Wanna get rid of "gangs" on post? Stop letting soldiers fraternize with officers or senior enlisted. Stop letting them leave post to go to the clubs in the area. And stop allowing them to get away with crap that 10 years ago would have seen them chaptered out.

If you want real soldiers, you need to train them as such. The army has gone so soft now-a-days I'm surprised it even exists. Soldiers now-a-days are just overpaid kids w/ free healthcare who are forced to get their hair cut short. Other than that they have just as much freedom as any other regular civilian, if not more. They use drugs, curse at superiors, don't show up for work, come and go as they please, and do pretty much whatever they want whenever they want and with whomever they want... and suffer no real consequences for their actions.

And if you think it's bad now, just wait another 20 years; this country will likely not have an army by then. And discipline starts at home... do you hear me all you mom's and dad's out there who think your kids can take care of themselves? If you don't teach them right from wrong, they will learn it from their friends who already have a pretty good idea of what is wrong and how to get away with committing crimes.
southern bred prince

United States

#15 Sep 23, 2010
I'm not goin to lie I am in a gang but that shouldn't make a difference because I'm a man before anything. I served my country proudly and did everything above the call of duty and for police to say that gangs are dangerous but in reality people are dangerous due to the ignorance of not knowing the police don't know gang task force don't know shit they assume shit. The article they put out about me is bullshit and they never got my side they knew where I was but never came to speak to me but that's fine I'm goin to get my side out. Darrell southerland is a wreckless and unprofessional individual and don't know shit bout Hoover and that's the truth. They didn't know Anthony bout me just assumed I was doin all these things and you can look at my record what fucking drug charge do you see he pulled me over harrassing me. About window tint cracks in windshield's and tags an if he wasn't on the scene when another officer pulled me over he made sure that he took over and many times I wasn't even going to jail but this man made sure I went overrode what the other officer was going to do even got sent to prison behind the asshole but you know what I'm out now and his ass ain't shit. All that just to ruin an individual that was doing rift in society despite what people thought of me and you know what else I'm goin to school for criminal justice and I will get my record and people will know the truth bout Gregory Darnell king
One of Americas sons

Oklahoma City, OK

#16 Sep 26, 2010
If you're gonna make a post, make sure it makes sense and spell it right. If you're going to school English 101 should have been one of your subjects. The Army does have a gang problem. I just came from Ft. Bragg, NC and Fayetteville has a huge gang problem as well but I never expected it here. I see soldiers holding their weapons sideways and talking lingo. The only reasons why gangs exist is because the members don't want to contribute positively to the rest of society. You want me to repeat that? Read it again. They don't like the way things are ran with the local and Federal government and other reasons so they band together and make up their own rules. Well ya know what? Most other people in America don't like a lot of things too that the government and society is doing but it is up to us as individuals to do what is morally and ethically right. Then one by one and then as a whole we can make a difference.
Gangs and their members just want to do what they want without helping their brother or sister out. By saying that I mean anyone not your gang brother or sister. Grow up!
I appreciate the other posts that are against gangs in the military and society. They are right the military especially doesn't need them. I don't give a dang if you were a hero and pulled someone from a burning Hummvee and are still a gang member. That was one time! You're still a gang member! That doesn't excuse you from the responsibilities that will fill the rest of your life!
I've heard other gang members plea for respect and understanding. But they don't make any freakin sense!
It is when you continuously walk the road of patience, understanding, and service that you will receive respect from your fellow man.
Shawn

Oklahoma City, OK

#17 Jan 13, 2011
I live in Meadowbrook Apartments and I have not seen any hired security and fights break out like every night. The outside of the apartments is worn down, horrible lighting and roach infested. I do not know where you heard that the Meadowbrook Apartments was a good place to live but they lied to you!
Renovations wrote:
I heard that the gangs are calming down in Lawton, and that concerned business owners have gotten together to make the town a better place to live. Have you heard of Meadowbrook Apartments? They did extensive renovations, hired security and have changed the whole character of their part of town.
It's worth looking at:
http://meadowbrookok1.blogspot.com/
Eyeroller

Weatherford, TX

#18 Jan 18, 2011
One of Americas sons wrote:
If you're gonna make a post, make sure it makes sense and spell it right. If you're going to school English 101 should have been one of your subjects. The Army does have a gang problem. I just came from Ft. Bragg, NC and Fayetteville has a huge gang problem as well but I never expected it here. I see soldiers holding their weapons sideways and talking lingo. The only reasons why gangs exist is because the members don't want to contribute positively to the rest of society. You want me to repeat that? Read it again. They don't like the way things are ran with the local and Federal government and other reasons so they band together and make up their own rules. Well ya know what? Most other people in America don't like a lot of things too that the government and society is doing but it is up to us as individuals to do what is morally and ethically right. Then one by one and then as a whole we can make a difference.
Gangs and their members just want to do what they want without helping their brother or sister out. By saying that I mean anyone not your gang brother or sister. Grow up!
I appreciate the other posts that are against gangs in the military and society. They are right the military especially doesn't need them. I don't give a dang if you were a hero and pulled someone from a burning Hummvee and are still a gang member. That was one time! You're still a gang member! That doesn't excuse you from the responsibilities that will fill the rest of your life!
I've heard other gang members plea for respect and understanding. But they don't make any freakin sense!
It is when you continuously walk the road of patience, understanding, and service that you will receive respect from your fellow man.
1.'Gonna' is not a word. If you're going to patronize someone with your first introductory statement, maybe YOU should check your own spelling.('Freakin' is not really a word, but I think you got my point.)
2. I agree with your opinion for the most part, actually. Gangs are crutches for 'men' who cannot stand on their own.
3. HOWEVER, as a soldier, I think you probably understand better than most that in a war zone, you can't always recognize your enemy. THAT is the kind of neighborhood these punks came from. It's easy to criticize when you have not walked a mile in anyone's Jordans.:)
The truth

Fort Worth, TX

#19 Jan 29, 2011
I'm in the Army and stationed at FT Sill. I'm of African decent and came from a very hard life. Needless to say the "gang" problem is not that bad here.

The truth if the matter is bloods, crips, Army, Marines, Air Force, your local police, your local fire station, Girl Scouts, Nazi, Black Panther...etc are all have the gang mentality. For example, they all want to remain existing in and possibly expand to make a Profit or Dominate the competitors.

It's the seemingly destructive mentality or unacceptable language or appearances which clearly distinguishes an acceptable gang from an unacceptable gang.

There's no getting around it, the world can not survive without gangs. We should re-check our thought process on how we perceive gangs. The people who are in an infamous gang usually posses an overdrive for acceptance from other humans.

We need to provide a way out of the destroying mentality by accepting more what is not like "the norm". If not then we all will continue to witness extremist activity such as murders, vandalism, and illegal graffiti. When you walk by a person, say "hello" you just might make their day.

One love
Fort Sill Gangs

United States

#20 Feb 1, 2011
I live off base at 2704 NE 9th in Lawton and I can assure you that many gang me,mbers reside on base as well as in my back bed room on the week ends. I am well paid to have a safe house for illegal alien gang members with mexican border crossing experience and know the way to Fort Sill without gunnin down a copper two.
Jacqueline Jake Who

United States

#21 Feb 6, 2011
The truth wrote:
I'm in the Army and stationed at FT Sill. I'm of African decent and came from a very hard life. Needless to say the "gang" problem is not that bad here.
The truth if the matter is bloods, crips, Army, Marines, Air Force, your local police, your local fire station, Girl Scouts, Nazi, Black Panther...etc are all have the gang mentality. For example, they all want to remain existing in and possibly expand to make a Profit or Dominate the competitors.
It's the seemingly destructive mentality or unacceptable language or appearances which clearly distinguishes an acceptable gang from an unacceptable gang.
There's no getting around it, the world can not survive without gangs. We should re-check our thought process on how we perceive gangs. The people who are in an infamous gang usually posses an overdrive for acceptance from other humans.
We need to provide a way out of the destroying mentality by accepting more what is not like "the norm". If not then we all will continue to witness extremist activity such as murders, vandalism, and illegal graffiti. When you walk by a person, say "hello" you just might make their day.
One love
All M13 Gang Members should report to the following address at midnight tonight.
random guy

Lawton, OK

#22 Aug 23, 2011
ay your all too old. just retire lol. Let go of your old ancient ways of logic and actually look around. "back in my day"...well your days are over, quit living in the past and look around. your being replaced by a newer generation of people that have grown up in a different era shaped by different fads, fashions, music, etc. Just because you see someone "pimp out" thier car doesnt mean they are in a gang. Niether do hand shakes and "gang signs".
luckygrl85

United States

#24 Sep 16, 2011
Lawton Officer wrote:
I can say for a fact that some Soldiers are in gangs. I have been a Soldier for over 20 years and have seen the change come through the Army. I have been at several post that i know have gang members on them ie; Ft. Bragg, Ft. Stewart and here at Ft. sill. All you have todo is open your eyes, see the colors hanging from the rearview mirrors in their vehicle, or the flashing of gang signs or hand shakes. It is a real problem and it is not going away anytime soon. There has even been an alarming number of traffic stops on the post envolving weapons being found in the vehicles of soldiers. Soldiers at the clubs showing weapons without concern, and even Soldiers shooting at Soldiers and killing one another at the old Night Trips Club. Yes, we have a problem alright, the question is what is the Chain of Command going to do about it, even some of them are in one.
Are you in the army still, and if so were you there in 84?

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