OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 11, 2010

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Funny AsHell

Vinita, OK

#35314 Feb 12, 2013
MistyGirl wrote:
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Hi, I happened to notice a couple of threads I used to post on had some activity that caught my attention. Yours was one since you mentioned your grandfather was "packing heat". Please give my regards to your granddad I enjoyed many conversations on politics and business with him in the past.
I agree with my friend Tamara you are more mature than most your age and it's refreshing and wonderful to see your grandfather has taught you to think for yourself!
To Tamara, great to see your still giving them hell and using common sense to win a debate! Take care little lady.


Thank you for your kind words and I will tell Gramps when he returns this evening. He is very good about explaining things to me, more so about business.

Tamara, Gramps sends his best wishes your way and says he apologizes for not taking the time to chat with you. He and a couple of his friends are preparing to leave on a trip.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#35315 Feb 12, 2013
Funny AsHell wrote:
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Thank you for your kind words and I will tell Gramps when he returns this evening. He is very good about explaining things to me, more so about business.
Tamara, Gramps sends his best wishes your way and says he apologizes for not taking the time to chat with you. He and a couple of his friends are preparing to leave on a trip.
Hey no problem. I just always enjoyed your Grandfather's imput to things along with Mistygirl's. Your Grandfather give me alot to think about and to look into. But like I said before you said you were related to Packing Heat I saw alot of your Grandfather in your posts. Tell him to have a really good trip!
tariff

Tulsa, OK

#35317 Feb 12, 2013
msbobbie wrote:
Yeppers, only people who choose to own and drive a car are forced to buy car insurance.
I know. Transportation is a necessity; but what about my elderly friends who do not own cars and drive? They depend on their neighbors and family members or the KATZ bus when they have to go somewhere.
Should they be forced to buy car insurance?
The big deal about forcing people to purchase insurance is there are some who prefer to self insure. They have medical savings accounts they put money into instead of purchasing insurance and when they have a medical cost, they pay for it them self.
That is just for starters.
I will be voting YES on SQ756 and voting for John Doak for State Insurance Commissioner.
ObamaCare takes that option away from them. By 2014 everyone must have health care insurance, or you will be fined. They are going to hire 16,000 new IRS people to make sure those fines get paid.
If your employer provides health care insurance for you and your family, the cost of that insurance is going to be added to your earned income and you will have to pay taxes on it.
Unless you have one of those Cadillac union policies. You know how they are going to pay for that? By removing vision and dental coverage for children.
Medicare patients are going to have to take a number and wait to be seen by whoever the Obama Team decides to send them too.
so you don't want to pay for car insurance, you have savings to pay your accident and care expenses, if you drive and hit me , you have enough in that savings account to pay for injuries to my family and if one of my family is killed by your negligence, you have enough property and money in your savings account to pay me when I sue you? You drive uninsured your car will be towed and you will go to jail, it is best economically to get insurance and make sure you self insure with uninsured motorist and med pay to keep you out of bankruptcy when an uninsured motorist hits you and you go to intensive care and maybe left crippled for life as what happened to my granddaughter

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#35318 Feb 13, 2013
DistinctlyOK wrote:
I see that tons has changed in this argument.
Yes, still same ole bull crap with different names spouting out hate, fear and their own personal brand of hallucinations.
love them

Elk City, OK

#35320 Feb 13, 2013
everybody will get screwed no matter what
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#35321 Feb 13, 2013
OkieAbroad wrote:
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Yes, still same ole bull crap with different names spouting out hate, fear and their own personal brand of hallucinations.
Just because some disagree with you doesnot say they are spouting crap! Don't forget most on here live in the U.S.A. where you don't and it sounds like it has been awhile since you have!
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#35323 Feb 14, 2013
Good Golly Miss Molly: this gun thing is getting out of hand Or is it just being report on more in the news? I will be willing to bet that most of the stores about people and their guns, the people do not have them legally. No matter what the government comes up with in gun controll people will find a way to buy them legally or illegally! Usually it is the people that have gotten them illegally are the ones causing the trouble.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#35324 Feb 15, 2013
What is everyones take on miniumum wages being raised. I have mixed feelings about this in regards to the economy. This may hit small businesses hard and might have to let people go and/or also raise prices if it is in the business of selling products of any kind. Then if it is a business with 50 or more employees and having to pick up the total amount of employees health care cost and the raising of pay per hour that business may have to lay off employees and/or charge more for their products. And who gets hit hard by this is the consumers.

There was a man being interviewed on TV about earning miniumum wage and that it was impossible to raise 3 kids on miniumum wage. So know that you are in the low income bracket why the heck do these people have so many kids?
Funny AsHell

Vinita, OK

#35325 Feb 15, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
What is everyones take on miniumum wages being raised. I have mixed feelings about this in regards to the economy. This may hit small businesses hard and might have to let people go and/or also raise prices if it is in the business of selling products of any kind. Then if it is a business with 50 or more employees and having to pick up the total amount of employees health care cost and the raising of pay per hour that business may have to lay off employees and/or charge more for their products. And who gets hit hard by this is the consumers.
There was a man being interviewed on TV about earning miniumum wage and that it was impossible to raise 3 kids on miniumum wage. So know that you are in the low income bracket why the heck do these people have so many kids?


In some cases it is cheaper in the long run to automate where possible and get rid of the cheap unskilled labor and related cost - higher wages, mandatory healthcare etc. My grandfather is working with a group now to help some companies relocate overseas. I think if the law was passed it would hurt to unskilled laborers. Of course I doubt they can pass it will the gridlock in Washington. Time will tell what if anything they can pass.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#35326 Feb 15, 2013
Funny AsHell wrote:
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In some cases it is cheaper in the long run to automate where possible and get rid of the cheap unskilled labor and related cost - higher wages, mandatory healthcare etc. My grandfather is working with a group now to help some companies relocate overseas. I think if the law was passed it would hurt to unskilled laborers. Of course I doubt they can pass it will the gridlock in Washington. Time will tell what if anything they can pass.
I know the people working for $7.25 an hour is excited about the thought of making $9 an hour. But what majority of people do not realize is we will see people laid off, or hours cut and the price of a majority of things will go up. So the pay scale raise will be eaten up by many things. Then the people that pay scale stays the same will also be paying more because of higher prices. So about the only that changes is people get to say I now am making $9 an hour instead of $7.25.

But what gets me is like the man this reporter was talking about what he thought of prospect of making $9 an hour said he thought it was a good deal for him because he could not support his family which is him, a wife and 3 kids. But if you can not and know you can not support have so many kids then why do these people have so many. Yes I do know accidents can happen but I am sorry him and people like him really should not be my problem. But those people seem to make it my problem along with the majority of this country's problem.

Now for people that are pist at this country and just wants to up and leave that is their business. But not everyone can do that or want to do that. If my whole family could not go then I could not go. It is like one day sometime back the area I lived in was having a lot of tornadoes popping up and down. My neighbor had an in ground storm cellar and wanted me to go down with them. But when I realize there was no way I could get my 2 very large dogs down there I could not go and leave them behind. So I did not go to the storm cellar. A tornado missed my house by 1/4 of a mile. I feel also it is my duty to stay and do the best to make things right for this country even if my effort is small in comparison to others.
Dano

United States

#35327 Feb 15, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I know the people working for $7.25 an hour is excited about the thought of making $9 an hour. But what majority of people do not realize is we will see people laid off, or hours cut and the price of a majority of things will go up. So the pay scale raise will be eaten up by many things. Then the people that pay scale stays the same will also be paying more because of higher prices. So about the only that changes is people get to say I now am making $9 an hour instead of $7.25.
But what gets me is like the man this reporter was talking about what he thought of prospect of making $9 an hour said he thought it was a good deal for him because he could not support his family which is him, a wife and 3 kids. But if you can not and know you can not support have so many kids then why do these people have so many. Yes I do know accidents can happen but I am sorry him and people like him really should not be my problem. But those people seem to make it my problem along with the majority of this country's problem.
Now for people that are pist at this country and just wants to up and leave that is their business. But not everyone can do that or want to do that. If my whole family could not go then I could not go. It is like one day sometime back the area I lived in was having a lot of tornadoes popping up and down. My neighbor had an in ground storm cellar and wanted me to go down with them. But when I realize there was no way I could get my 2 very large dogs down there I could not go and leave them behind. So I did not go to the storm cellar. A tornado missed my house by 1/4 of a mile. I feel also it is my duty to stay and do the best to make things right for this country even if my effort is small in comparison to others.
yeah,$9 dollars and hour sounds great until you realize the cost of an employee raises the overhead operation cost of a company and "wallah" major price increases are headed down the pike for the american consumer. There will also be layoffs because small business cannot afford to pay higher cost in payroll.
Delbert McFarland

Elmore City, OK

#35328 Feb 15, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I know the people working for $7.25 an hour is excited about the thought of making $9 an hour. But what majority of people do not realize is we will see people laid off, or hours cut and the price of a majority of things will go up. So the pay scale raise will be eaten up by many things. Then the people that pay scale stays the same will also be paying more because of higher prices. So about the only that changes is people get to say I now am making $9 an hour instead of $7.25.
But what gets me is like the man this reporter was talking about what he thought of prospect of making $9 an hour said he thought it was a good deal for him because he could not support his family which is him, a wife and 3 kids. But if you can not and know you can not support have so many kids then why do these people have so many. Yes I do know accidents can happen but I am sorry him and people like him really should not be my problem. But those people seem to make it my problem along with the majority of this country's problem.
Now for people that are pist at this country and just wants to up and leave that is their business. But not everyone can do that or want to do that. If my whole family could not go then I could not go. It is like one day sometime back the area I lived in was having a lot of tornadoes popping up and down. My neighbor had an in ground storm cellar and wanted me to go down with them. But when I realize there was no way I could get my 2 very large dogs down there I could not go and leave them behind. So I did not go to the storm cellar. A tornado missed my house by 1/4 of a mile. I feel also it is my duty to stay and do the best to make things right for this country even if my effort is small in comparison to others.
sounds like you been watching the zeitgeist.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#35329 Feb 15, 2013
Dano wrote:
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yeah,$9 dollars and hour sounds great until you realize the cost of an employee raises the overhead operation cost of a company and "wallah" major price increases are headed down the pike for the american consumer. There will also be layoffs because small business cannot afford to pay higher cost in payroll.
For many they don't look beyond was making $7.25 an hour to $9 a hour. Which in itself alone that sounds good. They don't stop to think how this will effect employers and into it goes on down the line where actually no one will be doing any better and might even be doing worse.
Delbert McFarland

Elmore City, OK

#35330 Feb 15, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>For many they don't look beyond was making $7.25 an hour to $9 a hour. Which in itself alone that sounds good. They don't stop to think how this will effect employers and into it goes on down the line where actually no one will be doing any better and might even be doing worse.
Thats preposterous, same as saying 7 is more than 9 and you better believe me because thats how i see things.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#35331 Feb 16, 2013
Delbert McFarland wrote:
<quoted text>Thats preposterous, same as saying 7 is more than 9 and you better believe me because thats how i see things.
So If if you are saying 9 will be better than 7 coming in will 9 still be better that 7 when you could buy something for 7 and now it cost 9 because the price of things went up because it cost the employers more to pay wages so the pass this higher expense onto the retail market.
Dano

United States

#35332 Feb 16, 2013
Delbert McFarland wrote:
<quoted text>Thats preposterous, same as saying 7 is more than 9 and you better believe me because thats how i see things.
Yeah and free government cell phones don't cost anything except to the American Taxpayer! Free/reduced housing isn't free either the taxpayer is funding all these government giveaways which BUY YOUR VOTE!

If you can figure out that 9 is higher than 7 then work your small brain a little harder and figure out if cell phones,housing, government subsidized programs are free/reduced then WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM TO PAY FOR CELL PHONES,HOUSING,GOVERMENT SUBSIZED PROGRAMS?

All these freebie programs is sucking the blood out of the american producer,the american worker and it hurts the elderly retired person the most!
Edgar

United States

#35333 Feb 16, 2013
You people are crazy--I love Obamacare instead of Bushdon'tcare.
Dano

United States

#35334 Feb 16, 2013
Tell us how much you love obamacare after all the regulations kick in and the full effects of this "change" are felt! Like in late 2014, right now you're all aglow with the Obama re-election and all the free giveaways but your world is changing and free isn't free and america is in decline the money will dry up and poverty will grow. It's already grown on a level never seen since the great depression!
Obamabot

United States

#35335 Feb 16, 2013
Why don't you support our current commander and chief? After all he just afforded himself two pro golf trainers to give him private lessons and only cost the travel and $1000.00 dollars an hour for their instruction.

Hey, Obama supporters have you noticed the INCREASE cost of groceries,utilities and fuel or healthcare premiums for the rest of America? You know the ones you have taxed to death for a generation,you know the ones who won WWII for the world?

Oh that's right Obama's groceries,utilities,fuel and more perks than I have time to type, are all FREE from the pockets of the American Taxpayer. Obama wanted another pay increase for federal workers too. Does he have a clue what's REALLY GOING ON IN AMERICA?
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#35336 Feb 16, 2013
Hello TAMARA and MistyGirl. First I want to thank you both for your kind words. Second I would like to say that I too enjoyed our conversations we had in the past. Unfortunately time doesn’t permit me to sit at the computer like before. Currently I am exploring the idea of leaving the country but nothing definite just yet. I decided to move to the lake full time and glad I did. All the problems of city life are non-existent here on the lake. I have noticed since my grandson has moved in with me, we have rather large influx of young pretty girls running around the house. As you can imagine this has caused this old mans heart rate to increase a few notches, lol.

Anyway hope all is well your way and maybe we can get together here again soon. Until then, best wishes your way.

Best Regards,
Packing Heat

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