School nurses and ECC
secretary is nurse

Lexington, KY

#82 Mar 1, 2012
If you all are so sure that the nurse should do all these duties, then why are the secretaries allowed to dispense and keep track of ALL meds for ALL students at every school?
whoever delegates

Lawrenceburg, KY

#83 Mar 1, 2012
I was amused and interested too.Yes I understand the secretary is "administering" medication to the students. But the NURSE has delegated this task to the secretary, teacher, office aide or apparently whoever the BOE and Kentucky State government allow to take this "medication class"

THE POINT WAS>>> NOT that the secretary is handing out medication.... The delegating school nurse remains liable, accountable and RESPONSIBLE for the delegated task. If you "the secretary" encounter a serious situation involved in medication administration, are you liable??? No the nurse is, the task was DELEGATED to you; because you are supposed to be competent. Just because you hand a child a "Ritalin" does not make you a nurse.

Secretaries don't be pissed at the nurse. Hell a Pharmacist makes an enormous amount of money compared to a nurse, and since your "dispensing" medication you must have earned a Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm.D.) degree from a college of pharmacy and pass several examinations. So why are you not practicing???
The Mole

Lawrenceburg, KY

#84 Mar 2, 2012
The nurse does not delegate you idiot the parent does they have to fill out a form with every medication it has been that way for years before we had nurses.
Anonymous

United States

#85 Mar 2, 2012
agree wrote:
That is the problem people like you who don't care!!! This is my livlyhood.
you still have a job right?? If so this isn't affecting your livelihood. You complain and say your nurse was never around?? Perhaps THAT is why more nursed are being hired. You whine about one thing an then when it is take car of it makes you whine about something else. You are an undereducated AID.. The real certified teachers should be handling the job without 50 aids, just makes them
Lazy. I don't see you complaini f about the them.
Anonymous

United States

#86 Mar 2, 2012
nancy wrote:
Well, everybody else that takes care of your children only make about $11,000 a year and take care of your children all day long! It's NOT TRUE that they wouldn't do ANYTHING for your child for liability reasons - they've been trained to treat children with seizures, epilepsy, and cardiac arrest, to name a few. The school spent an awful lot of money training them to do nothing in an emergency situation! Why pay nurses $9,000 more a year? Derek Shouse would not pay the aides anymore to do the same job, and actually cut one aide from each room. How is that safe for the children, you're so worried about them?
The schools pay for that training becaus the state requires it, but I would put
Money in it that most of them will never use it even if the situation arises. Liability is an issue not to mention there is a HUGE Difference between a nurse with a degree and a teacher or AID (no formal education) with basic CPR and first aid training.
Anonymous

United States

#87 Mar 2, 2012
your wrong wrote:
<quoted text>Wel get back on her and let us know what you think about ECC after a couple months.These teachers and their aides are wonderful to kids, you know there are kids there that are not even potty trained so let's give that job (changing diapers) to the nurse, most of the kids that attend ECC is just free babysitting and they have to have extra secretaries to answer stupid phone calls from non caring parents. All school personnel have gone through medical training and they have to be re-certified every year right down to the bus drivers, checked into it before I posted. Now I wish you well with your child but ECC nor any of the other schools are your babysitters nor are your bus drivers and they are tired of being made to feel that way. If the taxpayers want us to be trained and ready then cough up more pay when we accomplish their demands which actually is federal mandated intrusion once again! It pays to be nice to the people who spend all day with your child dummie.
Again there is a major difference in red cross training and a nurse with a degree. Anyone can receive red cross cert. try going and getting a nursing degree. And what is this ECC crap anyways? Is that a public school?
Anonymous

United States

#88 Mar 2, 2012
parent wrote:
I have a child at ECC and there are days they don't change diapers and the children are sent on the bus with poopy diapers. I have a lot of complaints about ECC. I also think the money should go to the new playground not the nurses. There is already enough money allocated to the school nurses. At ECC the office staff is usually the ones that take care of sick children not the nurses because they are not available(not sure where they are) I hope things change around ECC before my other child gets old enough to go. I moved here because the schools were supposed to be great but they are far from it:(
If you moved to lawrencburg for the schools someone seriously lied to you, they are towards the bottom of the scale on education.
Anonymous

United States

#89 Mar 2, 2012
Clueless wrote:
<quoted text>John boy you are a friggen kidding me are you the town idiot most assistants have more education than nurses who by the way only have an Asociates Degree many of our aides have BA or an Asociates in early childhood education. We have PD hours every year to better treat our students so you don't know jack
Actually genius a nursing degree is not an associates because it is a specialized medical degree. An if the aids had bachelors then they would have more job options such as being full fledged teachers, so I call bullsh*t on that.
cece

United States

#90 Mar 2, 2012
I am a nurse, so just fyi u can have an associates or bachelors degree and be a nurse. Not just everyone can be a nurse. Its a lot of hard work. And the nurse is the one who deligates giving meds. That person is correct if there is a mistake or something happends, its blamed on the nurse she still has to take full responsibility.
The Mole

Lawrenceburg, KY

#91 Mar 2, 2012
CECE I am not bashing nurses but they do not delagate meds in schools Frankfort does not have nurses in many of their school it is the PARENT who delegates their childs meds
suggesting noncompliance

Lawrenceburg, KY

#92 Mar 2, 2012
The Mole wrote:
CECE I am not bashing nurses but they do not delagate meds in schools Frankfort does not have nurses in many of
their school it is the PARENT who delegates their childs meds
Mole Are you suggesting noncompliance?

Mole you need to crawl back in your “little mole hole” and STAY there until you can read. If anyone is an idiot it is obviously you.
By the way IF and that is a big IF you took the “class” for Medication Administration Training” as listed below, on the website listed in the other post http://www.education.ky.gov/kde/administrativ ...

You should NOT be associated in any manner educating children as you CANNOT read yourself. Go back to your Medication Administration Training Manual page 11 last paragraph. Located under
“Module I: Legal Issues, Policies and Procedure”
Let me help you: it is listed under the following:

Medication Administration Training Manual for
Non-Licensed School Personnel
Module I: Legal Issues, Policies and Procedure

The curriculum was developed collaboratively with the KDE, the KDPH and the KBN.

Laws Related To Medication Administration

The potential for unsafe administration of medication in all these scenarios poses a possible liability for schools. An understanding of state laws and school district policies and procedures is necessary to reduce the potential liability issues of medication administration in the school setting.
School personnel who accept the delegation of medication administration and successfully complete this course, including demonstrated competency, are protected from liability under KRS 156.502.(See Appendix)

Only Physicians, Dentists and Advanced Practice Registered Nurses (APRN) are licensed to &#8213;prescribe&#8214 ; medication. Nurses are licensed to &#8213;administer medications (KRS 314.011).
Only registered nurses, APRNs or physicians in the school setting may delegate the task to administer medications to persons who have completed a course such as this, and have demonstrated competency (KRS 156.502). School personnel may be trained to administer emergency drugs that include Diastat®, Glucagon®, and Epipen®.(KRS 158.838, KBN AOS #15)

I want to thank you mole for admitting that “those administering” medications in the Anderson County School District that are not qualified RN”s may NOT be COMPETENT and according to you are apparently not COMPLIANT. LAWS have been broken.
If that is truly the case...
Parents in Anderson County need to know this if their child is receiving medication at school, an investigation into the districts compliance with KRS 156.502 needs to be assessed.

Unlike you “mole” I will follow through as an advocate for our counties children.

Starting by making this information aware to the following agencies: The Kentucky Department of Education (KDE), Kentucky Department for Health (KDPH) Public and the Kentucky Board of Nursing (KBN)

Because had you READ and were COMPETENT in the information provided to you “mole”.
You would know and read, as stated in the Medication Administration Training Manual for Non-Licensed School Personnel as it states:

“The Kentucky Department of Education (KDE), because the recognizes the need for a uniform medication administration training program for unlicensed school personnel. This course was developed collaboratively between the KDE, the Kentucky Department for Health (KDPH) Public and in consultation with the Kentucky Board of Nursing (KBN) to ensure compliance with 201 KAR 20:400, KRS 156.502, and 704 KAR 4:020”.
The Mole

Lawrenceburg, KY

#93 Mar 2, 2012
Whatever you want to say I work for the school system and I will tell you once again there are many many many counties that do not have school nurses. So you can give me all the KRS laws you want I know that if a parent signs a consent form to give meds school personal is able to dispense meds. I am not trying to be RUDE to people I am just stating the TRUTH. Nurses very seldom give meds. I know many teachers who give meds for seziures, allergic reactions, ADHD med and so on.
I called the Dept. of Education and they stated that the consent form is legal and binding.What you stated does not appy to school settings. I am not here to argue just to state the truth. Call yourself. I am now going back into my hole. If you think ACBOE is doing something wrong call them
The Mole

Lawrenceburg, KY

#94 Mar 2, 2012
By the way I hope you do something it would take alot of work from me.
That is correct mole

Lawrenceburg, KY

#95 Mar 2, 2012
THE KY BOARD OF EDUCATION, PUBLIC HEALTH AND THE KY BOARD OF NURSING ONLY APRN's, RN's AND MD'S CAN DELEGATE MEDICATION ADMINISTRATION AFTER COMPLETION AND ESTABLISHED COMPETENCE IN THE TRAINING PROGRAM
I ALSO THINK PARENTS AND THE STATE NEEDS TO BE AWARE ANDERSON COUNTY IS NOT FOLLOWING REGULATIONS AND STATE LAWS
WRONG

Chicago, IL

#96 Mar 2, 2012
The Mole wrote:
CECE I am not bashing nurses but they do not delagate meds in schools Frankfort does not have nurses in many of their school it is the PARENT who delegates their childs meds
Once again THE MOLE get your facts straight. I believe if you call Frankfort schools you will discover that you ONCE AGAIN made a false statement. Nurses are an integral part of the school system.
So True

Lawrenceburg, KY

#97 Mar 2, 2012
That is correct mole wrote:
THE KY BOARD OF EDUCATION, PUBLIC HEALTH AND THE KY BOARD OF NURSING ONLY APRN's, RN's AND MD'S CAN DELEGATE MEDICATION ADMINISTRATION AFTER COMPLETION AND ESTABLISHED COMPETENCE IN THE TRAINING PROGRAM
I ALSO THINK PARENTS AND THE STATE NEEDS TO BE AWARE ANDERSON COUNTY IS NOT FOLLOWING REGULATIONS AND STATE LAWS
Does Anderson Co ever abide by laws or follow regulations? NEVER!
Yes they do

United States

#99 Mar 2, 2012
So True wrote:
<quoted text>
Does Anderson Co ever abide by laws or follow regulations? NEVER!
Yes they do. People are making up lies. It's getting old.
mole is right

Louisville, KY

#100 Mar 2, 2012
suggesting noncompliance wrote:
<quoted text>
Mole Are you suggesting noncompliance?
Mole you need to crawl back in your “little mole hole” and STAY there until you can read. If anyone is an idiot it is obviously you.
By the way IF and that is a big IF you took the “class” for Medication Administration Training” as listed below, on the website listed in the other post http://www.education.ky.gov/kde/administrativ ...
You should NOT be associated in any manner educating children as you CANNOT read yourself. Go back to your Medication Administration Training Manual page 11 last paragraph. Located under
“Module I: Legal Issues, Policies and Procedure”
Let me help you: it is listed under the following:
Medication Administration Training Manual for
Non-Licensed School Personnel
Module I: Legal Issues, Policies and Procedure
The curriculum was developed collaboratively with the KDE, the KDPH and the KBN.
Laws Related To Medication Administration
The potential for unsafe administration of medication in all these scenarios poses a possible liability for schools. An understanding of state laws and school district policies and procedures is necessary to reduce the potential liability issues of medication administration in the school setting.
School personnel who accept the delegation of medication administration and successfully complete this course, including demonstrated competency, are protected from liability under KRS 156.502.(See Appendix)
Only Physicians, Dentists and Advanced Practice Registered Nurses (APRN) are licensed to &#8213;prescribe&#8214 ; medication. Nurses are licensed to &#8213;administer medications (KRS 314.011).
Only registered nurses, APRNs or physicians in the school setting may delegate the task to administer medications to persons who have completed a course such as this, and have demonstrated competency (KRS 156.502). School personnel may be trained to administer emergency drugs that include Diastat®, Glucagon®, and Epipen®.(KRS 158.838, KBN AOS #15)
I want to thank you mole for admitting that “those administering” medications in the Anderson County School District that are not qualified RN”s may NOT be COMPETENT and according to you are apparently not COMPLIANT. LAWS have been broken.
If that is truly the case...
Parents in Anderson County need to know this if their child is receiving medication at school, an investigation into the districts compliance with KRS 156.502 needs to be assessed.
Unlike you “mole” I will follow through as an advocate for our counties children.
Starting by making this information aware to the following agencies: The Kentucky Department of Education (KDE), Kentucky Department for Health (KDPH) Public and the Kentucky Board of Nursing (KBN)
Because had you READ and were COMPETENT in the information provided to you “mole”.
You would know and read, as stated in the Medication Administration Training Manual for Non-Licensed School Personnel as it states:
“The Kentucky Department of Education (KDE), because the recognizes the need for a uniform medication administration training program for unlicensed school personnel. This course was developed collaboratively between the KDE, the Kentucky Department for Health (KDPH) Public and in consultation with the Kentucky Board of Nursing (KBN) to ensure compliance with 201 KAR 20:400, KRS 156.502, and 704 KAR 4:020”.
Let me make it simple for you.

1. At the bus stop, parent hands bus driver bottle of pills for
little Rufus.
2. Bus driver hands pills over to aide, secretary, principal, or
whoever is standing outside the school when the kids get
dropped off.
3. Hopefully, the person standing outside is a school employee.


So stick that in your KRS and smoke it. Welcome to Anderson County!
susan

Shreveport, LA

#101 Mar 3, 2012
John wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's because you are too lazy to do it. Stop whining and do your job. It's pathetic that you would send a child home with dirty diapers. By the way, now that I know what type of uneducated people work at this place it would be a cold day in hell before I let my daughter step foot there.
How about you not send your child who is still in diapers to school in the first place ! That is way to young but I guess if you need a free babysitter there you go. Talk about a lazy parent. Dont even want to raise their own child !
really

Shreveport, LA

#102 Mar 3, 2012
Watch dog wrote:
No,not at all...what I have a problem with C.O.deciding having only 1 aide in preschool because of budget cuts but are willing to give more money to the school nurses. I don't think they are as important as aides... bottom line.
Complaining about one aide in classroom REALLY ? Your sitting still in a classroom with around 40 to 50 children ( if that many ) Try driving the school bus with anywhere from 50 to 90 kids behind you. Your trying to drive safely, watch traffic, keep an eye on the kids, stop fighting, answer the C.B. radio, ALL WITH NO AIDE AT ALL !!!!! Thats right people not all busses have aides.

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