Lavonia minister shot, killed by drug agents

Sep 2, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WDUN-AM Gainesville

A minister at a Lavonia church has died after being shot by drug agents in Toccoa but there are questions about the circumstances surrounding the incident.

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nobody

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Even if he was selling drugs it doesnt say that he had a gun or that he was a threat why would he be shot just for running? something is wrong with this picture.
John

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Unless I'm very badly mistaken, one of the first things a police officer is taught is not to shoot to kill unless their life or the life of someone else is in imminent danger of death....If this man (the minister) had no gun or was not not endangering the life of the officers or someone else....then you have a case of murder against the officer who shot and killed this man, whether this man was part of a drug buy or not makes no difference at this point, it appears that this was an "unjustified" taking of a human life.......
Caring Christian

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This is devistating. The officers involved should be held liable. This man did nothing wrong, he was trying to protect himself from unidentified men with guns jumping from a vehicle, and is now dead. The drug task force needs to use better judgement in trying to apprehend their suspects.
Leigh Payne

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I will pray for the family of Pastor Ayers. The drug task force had no right to shoot him. Whom ever it was I hope is in jail right now. I just can't belive how stupied they are to take a poor mans life. God be with Abby.
nobody

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Lets say that the police did identify themselves..but.. think as a citizen, how many times have we all turned on the news and saw a case where people were impersonating law enforcement to commit crimes?! and who in their right mind jumps infront of a car when it is moving? nobody! plus that does not at all give justification for murder or to engage in gun fire for protection, lets say i decide to shoot the next person that almost hits me with a car while im walking, "eg. crossing a road on the same sidewalk." or God forbid a little old lady backs up while im walking to my car from buying groceries!" would i get away with it?! hell no! There is no justification for that! nor is there for this!
johnathon

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Cop is guilty of MURDER...MURDER
Trammark

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Leigh Payne wrote:
I will pray for the family of Pastor Ayers. The drug task force had no right to shoot him. Whom ever it was I hope is in jail right now. I just can't belive how stupied they are to take a poor mans life. God be with Abby.
I will also God keep
nobody

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The news is implying that the minister was implicated as a client of a prostitute in the sting, being the reason for the confrontation instead of drugs! What stops will they not pull up?! Discredit a Minister, publicly assassinate his character and integrity and embarrass his family to muffle the truth and pacify a public deserving solid answers.. The truth is a human being was murdered point blank due to the fact that he tried to escape a really scary situation where gun wielding trigger happy authority figures can murder anyone who gets near them with a vehicle and pose no realistic or graspable threat to these psycho fascist law enforcers. I believe in Justice and I believe in fair an ethical practice, I really hope to see this action employed from the men and women of the sate, government, federal, and internal affairs, and other agencies when they conduct the investigation, and take into account that not every person is right and that mistakes can be made from some of their own as well.
nobody

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another question i have is why was the deceased not pursued after he was violently shot at, instead they let an injured man drive into the streets and crash into something, and have time to crawl from his vehicle into the lawn at the fire department, or be left in his car however it happened, to me that seems very reckless and a blatant disregard for human life, and the welfare of other drivers and pedestrians on the road at the time. not to mention the people who witnessed the event, what unnecessary trauma they had to oversee and endure from this tragedy. In my opinion this whole scene could have been avoided completely and handled differently.. But there is no whitewash that will turn the hands of time.
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i am so sorry for the family of mr ayers, but tell me why, why, why how , how the corupt police departments around the world get away with murder why, why why, this is awful unheard of un thinkable, godwill hold them all accountable for this unlawful act, who do these tough cops protect and serve, what they do is help them selves.

may god keep ms ayers and there unborn son in jesus name amen
Phoebe

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Sheriff Dept, is out of control on drug busts. We all want drugs gone but not this way. Did anyone see the helicopter with the gun hanging out its side a month or so ago. I am not sure what is worse drug dealers who keep to themselves or law offices who shoot people and scare children. There are other ways to deter drug use besides a Posse mentality.

DUB

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Has anyone on this thread bothered to read the GBI statement released and the statements of witnesses at the incident. It appears that this "pastor" did in fact run over an officer after the officers identified themselves.
So first, Mr. Ayers did run over an officer, second, they identified themselves as best they could. But let's imagine for a moment that Mr. Ayers had picked up this woman, a prostitute (reports confirm that fact) and was not involved in her dealings and knew nothing of them, would have no reason flee from police officers. Or better yet think, does it make more sense that a "pastor" afraid of being caught with a prostitute involved in drug dealings, made an unwise decision to avoid capture when he thought that his actions may make headlines. And as a result of his actions, intentional or not, resulted in a police officer being hurt or killed. You are the same people who would still condemn the police for the event. Never mind that your Godly man made a ungodly mistake. Forget the fact that the "pastor" is a man like the rest of us and may have just been caught in a career ending position. No let's blame the police.
Look at all the facts. and then look at it from the officer's point of view.
Drug dealing whore in a car with a man at a store, officers approach, man tries to drive away and steers toward an officer almost striking him.
If anyone of you took the fact this man worked in a church out of the equation, would you then be so quick to judge.
I forgot, these are good church going Christian people, they don't let things like facts, the truth, and God get in the way of good gossip and backstabbing.
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I knew Jonathan personally, and believe me all he was trying to help someone out by giving them a lift, and I can promise you he gave them the gospel of Jesus Christ. The problem is when you try to do a good deed for someone that others think is unsavory or not who you would normally hang out with, then everyone always thinks the worst of you. God commanded us to go out into the world and tell people about Him, and that is just what Jonathan did all the time. He did not look at who or what people were, he just thought about their soul that needs to be saved. As for the policemen that are suppose to serve and protect. Well, that in itself is a laugh. They could have gotten his tag number, and gotten the city police to pull him over and talked to him. NO, they wanted to act like some type of Rambo or something. Most policemen think that just because they wear a badge they can do whatever they want, and it is time that we as citizens (that pay their salary by the way) stand up and demand that the police need to be held accountable just like regular people when they break the law. And that is just what these men did, they broke the law and KILLED/MURDERED as innocent man. The police should be punished for what they did not just say we are sorry, sometimes sorry don't get it.
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So does "Dub" Dubbie Dubbie think that even if its true that the minister was trying to hook up with a prostitute, that it somehow "Justifies" his Murder!!!!! He was unarmed and his car was not used as a weapon, because you said He did not hit anyone with it, just came close....Its a shame that the overzealous murdering cop didt almost miss hitting the young pastor...Its just a very sad state of affairs when a cop can shoot a man down in the street for such petty foolishness...Clean up the drugs and quit murdering innocent people in the process...I hope the cop who did the shooting can live with himself and continue to sleep at night....Why dont the cops take some of their own advice to people and just come clean and admit they made a huge mistake!!!!!! That will never happen, I'm sure!!!!

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Sheila wrote:
I knew Jonathan personally, and believe me all he was trying to help someone out by giving them a lift, and I can promise you he gave them the gospel of Jesus Christ. The problem is when you try to do a good deed for someone that others think is unsavory or not who you would normally hang out with, then everyone always thinks the worst of you. God commanded us to go out into the world and tell people about Him, and that is just what Jonathan did all the time. He did not look at who or what people were, he just thought about their soul that needs to be saved. As for the policemen that are suppose to serve and protect. Well, that in itself is a laugh. They could have gotten his tag number, and gotten the city police to pull him over and talked to him. NO, they wanted to act like some type of Rambo or something. Most policemen think that just because they wear a badge they can do whatever they want, and it is time that we as citizens (that pay their salary by the way) stand up and demand that the police need to be held accountable just like regular people when they break the law. And that is just what these men did, they broke the law and KILLED/MURDERED as innocent man. The police should be punished for what they did not just say we are sorry, sometimes sorry don't get it.
Well since you were in the car can you tell us everything that happened... what? You weren't in the car? Then how can you be so positive that there was nothing going on? Do you think that people believed all of the other priest, pastors, preachers, clergymen, and other men of God that have been convicted of so many numerous crimes were suspect by their flock of followers? You so typically referred to the police as wanting to be Rambo's and police officers having a power issue, but fail to accept that your beloved pastor may have been one of the so many that have been tied to sex and drugs. I am not saying he was and I believed that I addressed that he may have been doing exactly what you said he was doing. But I also accept the fact that the officers did their job and did it correctly. But because you can't understand why they do the job they do the way they do it is the same reason that I don't automatically accept that your pastor was doing what you think he was doing. Let the facts come out, let the GBI do their job, and let the courts do their job. And I bet if you stop accusing the police of being overzealous and accept that they may have been completely justified in their actions however bad the outcome, you may find that more in line with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, a lot more that your screaming for vengeful actions. And as a matter of fact I know one of the officers involved in the incident and I would like to think that he feels very bad about having to kill a man to protect himself and others, but think about how bad his family would have felt had he been run down and killed by someone "preaching the gospel".

DUB

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John wrote:
So does "Dub" Dubbie Dubbie think that even if its true that the minister was trying to hook up with a prostitute, that it somehow "Justifies" his Murder!!!!! He was unarmed and his car was not used as a weapon, because you said He did not hit anyone with it, just came close....Its a shame that the overzealous murdering cop didt almost miss hitting the young pastor...Its just a very sad state of affairs when a cop can shoot a man down in the street for such petty foolishness...Clean up the drugs and quit murdering innocent people in the process...I hope the cop who did the shooting can live with himself and continue to sleep at night....Why dont the cops take some of their own advice to people and just come clean and admit they made a huge mistake!!!!!! That will never happen, I'm sure!!!!
No I said that the officer that fired was not hit, I believe that the report and witnesses said one officer was hit. And even if he was not hit that does not mean the car was not a deadly weapon. If I aim a car at you and you move it is still an assault and the vehicle was a deadly weapon. Georgia and most other states define a deadly weapon as a object when used as designed in an offensive manner is likely to or does cause serious bodily harm or death. A car, properly used, driven toward a person is just that. So officers responding with deadly force is justified. Again as above, I point out that you accept that the pastor in this is innocent before any investigation is complete and the officer is guilty of murder. What will happen if the woman in the car tells a completely different story and the autopsy comes back and tears down your image of this man? Will you come back here and apologize to the officers and their families for your false accusations and admit publicly that you made a mistake? To quote your own words "That will never happen, I'm sure!!!!"
Again let the people who know what they are doing, do the investigation, and wait for the results of all of the reports and test before you scream from the rooftops about an innocent man. You may be condemning one right now.
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Can someone local there in Lavonia tell me what happened to the truck the cops were in? It looks like it rolled unattended into the streets...
Kim Rigdon Guyton Ga

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First my thoughts and prayers are with the family
during this time. Second I just hope that the law enforcement in order to save face doesn't try to cover up a terrible mistake so they can save face. If you have screwed up stand up like you are the men your are supposed to be and admit it. Don't discredit your fellow officers by trying to hide your wrong doings. Be sure you sins will find you out. This woman is bringing a child into the world in a few weeks and the last thing she and his family needs is for him to be wrongfully discredited. Please stick to the facts!
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There is NO excuse for shooting this man. There was no excuse for ambushing this man. He was not the target of the investigation, they could have approached him with professionalism and courtesy if they had questions. However, they clearly acted like thugs in broad daylight. I would've have been stunned and probably done the same thing Avery done. At most they could have shot out his tires to stop him...but to kill him? Really? This is not justified. I mean if you stun someone and surround their vehicle, you have to know chances are you are going to get nudged or ran over. He was not trying to hurt anyone. And the GBI investigating...please! Corruption at its best.
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Again to "Dud" Dubbie Dubbie I said that you said no one was hit by the car....now you say maybe someone was hit...go figure. Either way no shooting was justified in this senario...and as to my feelings for the one that was shot down unjustifiable, I have no preconceived feeling as to whether he is guilty or innocent...Many men of God have been caught in acts like this many times and I certainly realize they are Men of God, but they are "just men"!! Regardless of what the testimony of the woman is, it makes no difference, you now have a man murdered by the cops and I believe everyone (if truthful with themselves) would find themselves shaking their heads in disbelief that someone could die in a situation like this....Unbelievable!!!!!

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