A visit to the Redneck Shop

A visit to the Redneck Shop

There are 200 comments on the Orlando Weekly story from Nov 20, 2006, titled A visit to the Redneck Shop. In it, Orlando Weekly reports that:

In an abandoned movie theater just off the historic town square in Laurens, S.C. , a new business is awakening deep-seated passions in Southerners that date back to the Civil War.The Redneck Shop, and its ...

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Antifa

United States

#21 Jun 2, 2007
Barrett wrote:
In response to: "Technically, though, isn't all the history we learn in our schools in this country "white" history?"
Is it not also true that most of history is "white history" because of the accomplishments of our people. This is only fair. The problem is, most whites are now too apologetic to celebrate our heritage. Instead, we are encouraged to celebrate black heritage, and Hispanic heritage, and everything else except our own. Because celebrating white heritage is "racist."
America may have been founded by white people, but the history of this country is much more multi-cultural than the textbooks in our schools would lead us to believe. And the history books even go further than that. For some reason, I learned everything about the Dark Ages in school (Right down to the Magna Carta) but I still didn't learn very much about other non-European cultures.

Celebrating white heritage isn't racist. Isn't St. Patrick's day celebrating white heritage? I see nothing wrong with encouraging our children to try and understand the heritage and culture of his/her classmates, though.
Barrett

Concord, NC

#22 Jun 2, 2007
Antifa wrote:
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America may have been founded by white people, but the history of this country is much more multi-cultural than the textbooks in our schools would lead us to believe. And the history books even go further than that. For some reason, I learned everything about the Dark Ages in school (Right down to the Magna Carta) but I still didn't learn very much about other non-European cultures.
Celebrating white heritage isn't racist. Isn't St. Patrick's day celebrating white heritage? I see nothing wrong with encouraging our children to try and understand the heritage and culture of his/her classmates, though.
I think it's clear that the reason that we don't learn very much about non-European cultures in school is that they have had much less of an impact on our present day society.

St. Patrick's Day is not a celebration of white heritage; it is a celebration of a Catholic Saint named St. Patrick who helped to bring Catholicism to Ireland. Many do also celebrate their Irish Catholic heritage on this day, although that is not the purpose of the holiday. In any case, celebrating Irish Catholic heritage is not the same as celebrating black heritage, in general, or white heritage, in general.
Barrett

Concord, NC

#23 Jun 2, 2007
Just imagine if you saw a white man walking down the street wearing a tshirt that read "I <heart> being white" or "Young, white, and gifted" or "White and Beautiful." Would you be offended? I think a lot of people would be. Why is it okay for blacks to oppose white pride marches and it's not okay for whites to oppose black pride marches? There is a double-standard in this country. And the tide is turning against whites. We are no longer a majority in the state of California, and soon we will be a minority, too. But, I guarantee, even then we will be victimized by the media and by minority groups for the actions of our ancestors.
Antifa

United States

#24 Jun 2, 2007
Barrett wrote:
I think it's clear that the reason that we don't learn very much about non-European cultures in school is that they have had much less of an impact on our present day society
This is something I completely disagree with. I think that's the problem. We've been grossly misinformed as to who had an impact on our present day society. It's true that European cultures had a huge impact on the way our society is run, especially the beaureaucratic aspect of it, but to try and make it seem as though it makes up 90% of American history is a travesty.
Barrett wrote:
Just imagine if you saw a white man walking down the street wearing a tshirt that read "I <heart> being white" or "Young, white, and gifted" or "White and Beautiful." Would you be offended? I think a lot of people would be. Why is it okay for blacks to oppose white pride marches and it's not okay for whites to oppose black pride marches? There is a double-standard in this country. And the tide is turning against whites. We are no longer a majority in the state of California, and soon we will be a minority, too. But, I guarantee, even then we will be victimized by the media and by minority groups for the actions of our ancestors.
A lot of rational people tend to miss the point of the double standard. I'm not condoning it in any way, but many people dismiss it without trying to understand it. We all know what the ethnic minority in this country has been subjected to up until about 50 years ago, so I know I don't have to list anything. What people don't seem to realize, however, is the lasting effect it leaves on people. If your mother and father were people who were told by mainstream society that they should be ashamed for who they were, I can see how they'd make a t-shirt contesting that and impress the idea upon their children. People like the ones who run the Redneck Shop perppetuate this as well. Mainstream society also likes to try and paint a perfect picture to get us to believe that the only people who still feel that way are "those types" of people. Hillbillies, if you will. That's not the case and the people who wear these shirts are honestly trying to send a message to those who still harbor these ideals. They don't realize who they're alienating in the process.

Here's what I'd like to see. I think we should be teaching more black, hispanic, asian, middle eastern, etc.. history all year long in all our schools. Making a certain month for it only alienates people. I think that people really shouldn't have to feel the need to validate themselves by wearing the "I'm black and proud!" shirts, and there shouldn't be anyone that causes them to feel that way. We don't, however, live in a perfect world, and this would take a couple generations to achieve.
Barrett

Concord, NC

#25 Jun 2, 2007
Antifa wrote:
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This is something I completely disagree with. I think that's the problem. We've been grossly misinformed as to who had an impact on our present day society. It's true that European cultures had a huge impact on the way our society is run, especially the beaureaucratic aspect of it, but to try and make it seem as though it makes up 90% of American history is a travesty.

What are some examples of events in history, not currently covered in the history books, that you would like to see mentioned? Keep in mind that high school history must cover a span of time which does not allow for very much detail.

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A lot of rational people tend to miss the point of the double standard. I'm not condoning it in any way, but many people dismiss it without trying to understand it. We all know what the ethnic minority in this country has been subjected to up until about 50 years ago, so I know I don't have to list anything. What people don't seem to realize, however, is the lasting effect it leaves on people. If your mother and father were people who were told by mainstream society that they should be ashamed for who they were, I can see how they'd make a t-shirt contesting that and impress the idea upon their children. People like the ones who run the Redneck Shop perppetuate this as well. Mainstream society also likes to try and paint a perfect picture to get us to believe that the only people who still feel that way are "those types" of people. Hillbillies, if you will. That's not the case and the people who wear these shirts are honestly trying to send a message to those who still harbor these ideals. They don't realize who they're alienating in the process.

I think this is fair. I do believe that it is a good thing that blacks are proud of their race and who they are. However, I also think that whites should be openly proud of who we are. As long as white pride is socially unacceptable, resentment will grow. People are quiet about it in mixed company, but it is an issue for whites.

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Here's what I'd like to see. I think we should be teaching more black, hispanic, asian, middle eastern, etc.. history all year long in all our schools. Making a certain month for it only alienates people. I think that people really shouldn't have to feel the need to validate themselves by wearing the "I'm black and proud!" shirts, and there shouldn't be anyone that causes them to feel that way. We don't, however, live in a perfect world, and this would take a couple generations to achieve.
Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like the important events in history taught in our schools. I'd like everybody to be proud of their own people. I'd like the Confederate flag raised back up above my great, great grandaddy's grave where it was removed last year because it was deemed offensive.
Barrett

Concord, NC

#26 Jun 2, 2007
I didn't tag my previous post properly, so I'm reposting my comments for clarity.

What are some examples of events in history, not currently covered in the history books, that you would like to see mentioned? Keep in mind that high school history must cover a span of time which does not allow for very much detail.

I think this is fair. I do believe that it is a good thing that blacks are proud of their race and who they are. However, I also think that whites should be openly proud of who we are. As long as white pride is socially unacceptable, resentment will grow. People are quiet about it in mixed company, but it is an issue for whites.

Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like the important events in history taught in our schools. I'd like everybody to be proud of their own people. I'd like the Confederate flag raised back up above my great, great grandaddy's grave where it was removed last year because it was deemed offensive.
Antifa

United States

#27 Jun 2, 2007
Barrett wrote:
I didn't tag my previous post properly, so I'm reposting my comments for clarity.
What are some examples of events in history, not currently covered in the history books, that you would like to see mentioned? Keep in mind that high school history must cover a span of time which does not allow for very much detail.
I think this is fair. I do believe that it is a good thing that blacks are proud of their race and who they are. However, I also think that whites should be openly proud of who we are. As long as white pride is socially unacceptable, resentment will grow. People are quiet about it in mixed company, but it is an issue for whites.
Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like the important events in history taught in our schools. I'd like everybody to be proud of their own people. I'd like the Confederate flag raised back up above my great, great grandaddy's grave where it was removed last year because it was deemed offensive.
In regards to history, I'd honestly start with changing our world history channels. World history shouldn't be confined to the beginning of civiliztion and then jump to European history. After learning about ancient Egypt, we aren't really taught anything but Eurpean history at all. For example, East Asia had a thriving civilization throughout the European Dark Ages.

Once that's been glossed over, history shouldn't be manipulated in order to make us feel better about ourselves. The Christopher Columbus fairy tale is particularly offensive. I'd like to hear more about the Hispanic role in the Civil War (You'd be surprised to know they were fighting on the Confederate side). We should have more discussion regarding minorities in history, such as Benjamin Banneker, who was a black advisor to Thomas Jefferson, or Ralph Bunche, also black, who negotiated the 1949 armistice between Israel and its Arab neighbors. I didn't know that the Arabs were the ones who invented the number system we use today until I got to college.

When it comes to people being proud of who they are, I already said I agree. Some people are a little misguided, however, and confuse pride with superiority, like the aforementioned owners of the Redneck Shop.
Barrett

Concord, NC

#28 Jun 2, 2007
Antifa wrote:
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In regards to history, I'd honestly start with changing our world history channels. World history shouldn't be confined to the beginning of civiliztion and then jump to European history. After learning about ancient Egypt, we aren't really taught anything but Eurpean history at all. For example, East Asia had a thriving civilization throughout the European Dark Ages.
We covered quite a bit about East Asia in my high school history class. And that was back in the 80's.
Antifa wrote:
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Once that's been glossed over, history shouldn't be manipulated in order to make us feel better about ourselves. The Christopher Columbus fairy tale is particularly offensive. I'd like to hear more about the Hispanic role in the Civil War (You'd be surprised to know they were fighting on the Confederate side).
That is actually a fact I use quite a bit to demonstrate that the role of the South in the War Against the States was not a racist one. Hispanics, Blacks, Jews, and Indians fought for the Confederacy. They didn't like the federal government any more than we did.
Antifa wrote:
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We should have more discussion regarding minorities in history, such as Benjamin Banneker, who was a black advisor to Thomas Jefferson, or Ralph Bunche, also black, who negotiated the 1949 armistice between Israel and its Arab neighbors.
Yes, but are these really influential figures in history? If Benjamin Banneker was such an important figure, then what did he DO? We have advisors in office right now who will never be mentioned in the history books. Just being black is not a good reason to have a place in a history book. Regarding Ralph Bunche, and this illustrates my point perfectly, when high school students are learning about things like the dark ages, the rennaisance, the birth of science and reason, the industrial revolution, the discovery of America, the independence of the United States, space travel, the theory of relativity and the atom bomb, the development of the microchip, etc. Where exactly do the 1949 Israeli Armistice treaties fit in? That is a subject students study in an international relations class in college, or Middle Eastern affairs. You would put Ralph Bunche in high school history books just because he is black and he is famous. That is an insult to black people everywhere. Minorities should seek recognition based on merit alone, not on mediocre achievement in the face of adversity. Should we also put Leon Jouhaux and Lord John Boyd Orr Of Brechin in the high school history books? They were Nobel Prize winners, too. No, wait, they're white and we've already reached our maximum quota for white people who have done extraordinary things. Let's try to find more black people to make it even. Here's an idea, if y'all want more mention in the history books, why don't you go out and do something worth mentioning?
Antifa wrote:
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I didn't know that the Arabs were the ones who invented the number system we use today until I got to college.
When it comes to people being proud of who they are, I already said I agree. Some people are a little misguided, however, and confuse pride with superiority, like the aforementioned owners of the Redneck Shop.
I think you're confusing superiority with pride. We come from a great race, point in fact. And some of us may have a little bit of a tendency to gloat.
Antifa

United States

#29 Jun 2, 2007
Barrett wrote:
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Just being black is not a good reason to have a place in a history book. Regarding Ralph Bunche, and this illustrates my point perfectly, when high school students are learning about things like the dark ages, the rennaisance, the birth of science and reason, the industrial revolution, the discovery of America, the independence of the United States, space travel, the theory of relativity and the atom bomb, the development of the microchip, etc. Where exactly do the 1949 Israeli Armistice treaties fit in? That is a subject students study in an international relations class in college, or Middle Eastern affairs. You would put Ralph Bunche in high school history books just because he is black and he is famous. That is an insult to black people everywhere. Minorities should seek recognition based on merit alone, not on mediocre achievement in the face of adversity. Should we also put Leon Jouhaux and Lord John Boyd Orr Of Brechin in the high school history books? They were Nobel Prize winners, too. No, wait, they're white and we've already reached our maximum quota for white people who have done extraordinary things. Let's try to find more black people to make it even. Here's an idea, if y'all want more mention in the history books, why don't you go out and do something worth mentioning?
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I think you're confusing superiority with pride. We come from a great race, point in fact. And some of us may have a little bit of a tendency to gloat.
I honestly think that a 1949 armistice weighs in heavily in the "stuff we should learn" category regarding US history. I learned a lot of stuff about the Isreali/Arab conflict, but I never knew of this until later. East Asian studies were briefly touched upon in the four different high schools I attended. And once again, why do we focus on the Dark Ages and the Rennaisance so much? They aren't really part of American history. As for Mr. Bannaker, I can understand your point there. It is slightly obsucre, but then again, it was just an example off the top of my head.

I guess most of my argument is that while white Europeans have dominated the majority of American innovation, we're taught that it's just as one-sided in regards to WORLD history, and that just isn't the case. I think the real problem is that I simply don't know enough about the history of other races because nobody taught me.
Kajade

North Augusta, SC

#30 Sep 22, 2007
Wow. This si the most pointless conversation ever. You are both right, and you are both wrong. White people ARE portrayed alot in history, but this is because most people are condidered "white". If we went into categories, would you two be satisfied? The Greeks, for example. They are genrally considered to be white and they have contributed to modern civilization heavily, but we see them as white, not Greeks. Romans are the same way. American is a predominately white country, so MOST of American history is about white people, it's just a fact. The indiscrimination between Middle-Eastern people is especially construed. Most people think of Middle-Eastern people as Muslim, instead of Irani, or Iraqi, or Turkish. It's really quite sad that we don't accredit a State's accomlishments to that State, but to the the "type" of people that make of that State's majority.

In short, Everyone has accomplished great things, but most are concieved as accomplishments of a "race," rather than a nation.
barry

Laurens, SC

#31 Sep 24, 2007
I live in laurens and have never been in the redneck shop.The racial problem we seem to have here is due to plublicity like the above.those who cry out about it,should stop and think that there just adding fuel to the fire.Our economy is weak here but not because of the redneck shop.Its caused by the officials who give in at any sign of racial problems.I commend the redneck shop owners for percevering even if most do not like what they stand for. at least they are true to there nature.
NEEDHIM29

Williamston, SC

#32 Dec 8, 2007
YES, DAVE YOU ARE A RACIST....CUT THE BULLSHIT...WHY DOES AMERICA NEED MORE SHOPS THAT PROMOTE HATRED AND BIGOTRY.....YOU NEED JESUS CHRIST TO COME INTO YOUR LIFE AND SAVE YOU FROM ALL HATRED AND IGNORANCE
NEEDHIM29

Williamston, SC

#33 Dec 8, 2007
BARRETT, THE BOTTOM LINE....THE REDNECK SHOP PROMOTES HATE...CANT YOU SEE THAT...ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE....FACE THE FACTS MAN...DEAL WITH THE ISSUE....CUT THE BULLSHIT
chap

Greenwood, SC

#34 Dec 21, 2007
dang rite it sells that kind of stuff cause we're proud of it if you don't like it don't get involved with it and im a redneck and i live in a neghborhood it ain't our fault yall are stuck up little preps!!!!!
chap

Greenwood, SC

#35 Dec 21, 2007
and look it don't mean you ain't got christ in your life i am a regular church goer i go everyweekend and i still am a redneck thats the way i was rasied "southern born southern breed when i die ill be southern dead"!!!!
ned

Alvord, TX

#36 Feb 8, 2008
do they sell naked pictures of goober from mayberry?
Landfills Laurens county

Gray Court, SC

#37 Feb 18, 2008
We all know Martin Lake area is getting another Landfill before long. Has anyone heard that another may be in the works an extention to the Curry Lake Road Landfill?
Southerngurl

West Columbia, SC

#38 Mar 9, 2008
"Is it not also true that most of history is "white history" because of the accomplishments of our people. This is only fair. The problem is, most whites are now too apologetic to celebrate our heritage. Instead, we are encouraged to celebrate black heritage, and Hispanic heritage, and everything else except our own. Because celebrating white heritage is "racist."" AMEN to that!! Us white ppl have to be soo careful about what we say wear and do just so we wont affend someone who may think we are "rasict"! How come every other race is soo special around here but we can't even fly our confederate flag without some idiot complaining. I was born and raised here and even fight for this country in the military! I say if you got a problem with the way things are around here get outta the south!!
will

Greenbelt, MD

#39 Mar 10, 2008
The simple fact is that the man is not doing anything illegal by running his shop. Offensive? Yes, probably. Promoting hate? Probably. If it offends you, don't go in the store. But not you, nor I, nor any other person on this Earth have the right to tell him that he can't have his store if he is not doing anything illegal. Thats the thing about America - freedom to express your beliefs.
Jacquelyn

Asheville, NC

#40 Mar 10, 2008
You know its a shame when the blacks have to wine. This shop is not racist its about of the whites heritage why can't we have our heritage they get to keep their heritage like the so called African American crap. You don't hear the white man calling themselves French, Russian, Irish, etc etc American they need to get off it they are Black Americans just like we are White Americans "idiots." Also they need to start working I'm tired of supporting them. Slavery was over a hundred years ago its time for them to start taking care of themselves I owe them nothing I wasn't responsible for them being slaves their own kind is the ones that rounded them up and sold them as cattle idiots go get money from Africa their the ones that owe you and if your really not liking what the whites have to offer then go the frick home we don't want you here. I'm tired of you fricken crying it makes me sick. I want some free hand outs! I want a new car and some welfare and some free money wheres mine? If you get rid of the Redneck Shop then you must get rid of all the black shops that have hateful saying crap about the white man whats fair is fair idiots.

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