Latrobe and Unity Parks and Rec
Pixarfreak

Allentown, PA

#21 Jun 9, 2012
Sometimes these conversations are so lopsided.
The first thing that gets argued is salary.
The original question has not been answered.
Someone came in with a god complex that it was Latrobe rec that fixed some park; only to be told that erroneous info was given.

I will not be fooled into thinking that Latrobe rec as Latrobe rec had an abundant wealth and things within the rec's ability got done. It was the merging with unity that some things came to fruition. There has been some fighting over a matter of differences. But that was to be expected.

However, I am currently out of town on a mini vacation. Just in eastern pa. But most times when I vacation, we locate a local park for the kids to run around and play. I am not certain if the particular park is taken care of by the rec department or the city or a borough, but I can tell you it was clean, the soccer field was level and grass cut. Another field: huge, level and mowed. Next to the playground that was freshly mulched for the summer, was a building that housed a concession KITCHEN, and bathrooms. Again, very clean. No graffiti. There was a bike/walking path.
The building was outfitted with cameras.

I often wonder when I spend time at parks in other locations than back home, why can't we have the same fun, clean park? Why does our area always have to be two bit?
Concerned Taxpayer

Greensburg, PA

#22 Jun 9, 2012
If you add this up - Payroll is 50% of the budget!

Where are all the soccer fields, baseball fields and other recreational opportunities that were promised in Unity Township?
LOK

Latrobe, PA

#23 Jun 9, 2012
Concerned Taxpayer wrote:
2012 Salaries as published by the public budget:
Total Administrative:$248,698
Total Maintenance:$57,760
Total Payroll:$363,068 (including part-time seasonal)
Breakdown:
Executive Director:$65,186
Maintenance Foreman:$46,587
Program Director:$42,400
Program Coordinator:$29,165
Business Admin Assistant:$29,543
Program Admin Assistant:$29,565
Grant Administration (Goes to Ex Direc)$2,000
DOES THIS DIVIDE IT IN ENOUGH DETAIL FOR YOU LOK!
Total Budget for a Recreation Program:$684,824.15
Good job sweet pea. Now hat you have divided, which numbers stand out as an issue for you?
Concerned Taxpayer

Greensburg, PA

#24 Jun 9, 2012
Pixarfreak wrote:
Sometimes these conversations are so lopsided.
The first thing that gets argued is salary.
The original question has not been answered.
Someone came in with a god complex that it was Latrobe rec that fixed some park; only to be told that erroneous info was given.
I will not be fooled into thinking that Latrobe rec as Latrobe rec had an abundant wealth and things within the rec's ability got done. It was the merging with unity that some things came to fruition. There has been some fighting over a matter of differences. But that was to be expected.
However, I am currently out of town on a mini vacation. Just in eastern pa. But most times when I vacation, we locate a local park for the kids to run around and play. I am not certain if the particular park is taken care of by the rec department or the city or a borough, but I can tell you it was clean, the soccer field was level and grass cut. Another field: huge, level and mowed. Next to the playground that was freshly mulched for the summer, was a building that housed a concession KITCHEN, and bathrooms. Again, very clean. No graffiti. There was a bike/walking path.
The building was outfitted with cameras.
I often wonder when I spend time at parks in other locations than back home, why can't we have the same fun, clean park? Why does our area always have to be two bit?
Because LUPR is paying over 50% of the budget for salaries - not enough goes back for the types of things you are seeing in other communities!
LOK

Latrobe, PA

#25 Jun 9, 2012
Concerned Taxpayer wrote:
2012 Salaries as published by the public budget:
Total Administrative:$248,698
Total Maintenance:$57,760
Total Payroll:$363,068 (including part-time seasonal)
Breakdown:
Executive Director:$65,186
Maintenance Foreman:$46,587
Program Director:$42,400
Program Coordinator:$29,165
Business Admin Assistant:$29,543
Program Admin Assistant:$29,565
Grant Administration (Goes to Ex Direc)$2,000
DOES THIS DIVIDE IT IN ENOUGH DETAIL FOR YOU LOK!
Total Budget for a Recreation Program:$684,824.15
What percentage of the above numbers will be covering the government required new enacted laws that just went into effect for people with disabilities?
Concerned Taxpayer

Greensburg, PA

#26 Jun 9, 2012
LOK wrote:
<quoted text>
Good job sweet pea. Now hat you have divided, which numbers stand out as an issue for you?


What stands out to me is that 50% of the budget goes to payroll!
Pixarfreak

Allentown, PA

#27 Jun 9, 2012
Concerned Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Because LUPR is paying over 50% of the budget for salaries - not enough goes back for the types of things you are seeing in other communities!
That statement is an unknown. You have no idea what other communities budgets look like.

But I will agree, that rec department sucks.
Concerned Taxpayer

Greensburg, PA

#28 Jun 9, 2012
LOK wrote:
<quoted text>
What percentage of the above numbers will be covering the government required new enacted laws that just went into effect for people with disabilities?
And what does that have to do with the cold hard facts of the salaries? Are you trying to divert the subject as you usually do?
Pixarfreak

Allentown, PA

#29 Jun 9, 2012
At just under $58,000 for maintenance, I would like to see a further breakdown in that area. Because that area is sorely lacking.
Pixarfreak

Allentown, PA

#30 Jun 9, 2012
What Unity should do is break away.

Then develop that area at the municipal building with a concession building and bathrooms. Create some elevated seating. Fix the land to drain properly, then configure the land for football, soccer, lacrosse, etc. Maybe put some lights in.
Add onto the existing building and build a indoor gym like hempfield has. Loyalhanna runs an indoor soccer program that is far more successful that Latrobe's indoor program.

Reach out the the unity football program and the lacrosse programs. Offer them the use of the field for a minimal fee.

Reach out to Loyalhanna soccer and work some deal with them to build the sewage lines for proper bathrooms, and a concession building. Add some lights to a field.

Forget Latrobe. I am tired of driving into Latrobe for all my rec needs. And if my taxes go up to make this happen, so be it.
Concerned Taxpayer

Greensburg, PA

#31 Jun 9, 2012
Pixarfreak wrote:
What Unity should do is break away.
Then develop that area at the municipal building with a concession building and bathrooms. Create some elevated seating. Fix the land to drain properly, then configure the land for football, soccer, lacrosse, etc. Maybe put some lights in.
Add onto the existing building and build a indoor gym like hempfield has. Loyalhanna runs an indoor soccer program that is far more successful that Latrobe's indoor program.
Reach out the the unity football program and the lacrosse programs. Offer them the use of the field for a minimal fee.
Reach out to Loyalhanna soccer and work some deal with them to build the sewage lines for proper bathrooms, and a concession building. Add some lights to a field.
Forget Latrobe. I am tired of driving into Latrobe for all my rec needs. And if my taxes go up to make this happen, so be it.
My point exactly - just think what can be done with all the money Unity is now giving away to LUPR! PULL OUT UNITY and develop what you already have!
Sleep Studies in Latrobe

Pittsburgh, PA

#32 Jun 9, 2012
LOK wrote:
Good job sweet pea. Now hat you have divided, which numbers stand out as an issue for you?
Wow...$65,000 to oversee the playgrounds in Latrobe? I wanna manage an EASY BREEZY PROJECT that really is only a part-time job, for $65,000.

...and $45,000 to oversee the maintenance? jeez, it's grass and gravel and mulch...

Shoulndn't Joe Bush's responsibilties be rewritten to onclude the playgrounds? He loafs off all the time, and makes almost $60,000?
non profits PROFIT well

Pittsburgh, PA

#33 Jun 9, 2012
Pixarfreak wrote:
What Unity should do is break away.
Then develop that area at the municipal building with a concession building and bathrooms. Create some elevated seating. Fix the land to drain properly, then configure the land for football, soccer, lacrosse, etc. Maybe put some lights in.
Add onto the existing building and build a indoor gym like hempfield has. Loyalhanna runs an indoor soccer program that is far more successful that Latrobe's indoor program.
Reach out the the unity football program and the lacrosse programs. Offer them the use of the field for a minimal fee.
Reach out to Loyalhanna soccer and work some deal with them to build the sewage lines for proper bathrooms, and a concession building. Add some lights to a field.
Forget Latrobe. I am tired of driving into Latrobe for all my rec needs. And if my taxes go up to make this happen, so be it.
Hey PIXARfreak...I like what you're thinking...
LOK

Latrobe, PA

#35 Jun 9, 2012
Concerned Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
And what does that have to do with the cold hard facts of the salaries? Are you trying to divert the subject as you usually do?
So your mind is made up and you have all the fact. You must be God like. Typical, no one can tell you anything.
LOK

Latrobe, PA

#36 Jun 9, 2012
Sleep Studies in Latrobe wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow...$65,000 to oversee the playgrounds in Latrobe? I wanna manage an EASY BREEZY PROJECT that really is only a part-time job, for $65,000.
...and $45,000 to oversee the maintenance? jeez, it's grass and gravel and mulch...
Shoulndn't Joe Bush's responsibilties be rewritten to onclude the playgrounds? He loafs off all the time, and makes almost $60,000?
Yup that all they do, well it sounds like you have it all figured out. Good luck with it all.
non profits PROFIT well

Pittsburgh, PA

#37 Jun 9, 2012
LOK wrote:
<quoted text>Yup that all they do, well it sounds like you have it all figured out. Good luck with it all.
Actually, maintaining landscaping is a fascinating undertaking. Bush could oversee Latrobe Legion Keener and all the Parks and Rec sites. And, he could oversee the roads, too. He'd just have to have better delegating and management skills.

I really believe that part-time seasonal crews are the answer to a lot of the maintenance costs for the P&R Department and the Roads Department.

There's a high -- snow removal roads need -- in the winter. Let out of work contractor guys show up for that.

There's high lawn and manicuring needs in the summer. Hell, let some out of work school teachers and other seasonal people show up for that.

It would work...

I'm a fan of Legion-Keener, and ALL the children's sports programs -- even all the adult sports programs, too. This is one groups of tasks that Latrobe does well...
Concerned Taxpayer

Greensburg, PA

#38 Jun 9, 2012
Nice Breakdown wrote:
Wait just a minute! Does that breakdown include the cost of benefits?
The wages are top heavy just like a good ol' boys club!
The wages do NOT include benefits - the cost for benefits are an additional:$67,223 per year!
Concerned Taxpayer

Greensburg, PA

#39 Jun 9, 2012
LOK wrote:
<quoted text>So your mind is made up and you have all the fact. You must be God like. Typical, no one can tell you anything.
LOK - what needs to be told to me, I am just stating public knowledge - COLD HARD FACTS! LUPR is a top heavy organization. Any organization that spends 50% on salaries alone should be looked at! What do you have to tell me?????
non profits PROFIT well

Pittsburgh, PA

#41 Jun 9, 2012
Nice Breakdown wrote:
Seems like it may be time to reinvent the wheel at LUPR. Time to consolidate positions. I think Craig is more than capable of holding two titles in that office. I would not scoff at him - or another individual that participates in the physical activities - for making 65-70K if positions were consolidated and eliminated.
Who is Craig? And yes, for a person to earn $70,000, in a P&R position, let them work 50++ hours a week, like every other person making that kind of money, who's not a mill worker, working double time to make it.
Pixarfreak

Vandergrift, PA

#42 Jun 9, 2012
I know Craig is not the problem at rec and he probably does work 50+ hours a week. And he probably does carry two titles.

Craig is the program director. He operates the programs, making sure teams are made, refs soccer games, gathering volunteer coaches, etc. He is very busy and does the best he can.

Let's try not to get side tracked.

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