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Ex Nun & Seminarian & Parents of Four want Church Reform

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Pope resigns

Carlisle, PA

#1 Mar 5, 2013
I was listening to an interveiw on NPR yesterday, and an ex-nun, who married a Catholic Seminarian (priest in training), who had four children together...

only 1 of whom practices Catholcism...

Spoke about Catholic Church reform.

It's pretty bad when an ex-Nun and an ex-Priest raise children to leave their parents' church. I mean, if they can't instill the love of the church, no one can.

I can't believe that this Pope resignation is leaving so many Catholics with so much to talk about:

1) now the church will become willful and wild, since the church made a "choice" to leave. Really?

2) the resignation leaves the church open to all sorts of reform. Again, really?
What Values

Latrobe, PA

#2 Mar 5, 2013
Better these two foldling eachother than some 8 year old kids. Sure lets talk values being enstilled in our children. Like they dont hear about molestations? What about the questions of why public executions of such criminals arent takig place? People wonder why the church leaders play musical chairs to protect the pieces of shit?

Yes its been proven in the name of the Lord and the beloved Catholic church anything is possible.

I have little or no interest in the Pope resigning or the naming of a new one. I'm too busy protecting my ass and that of my children, literally I might add.
jmdammit

United States

#3 Mar 5, 2013
WOW
Atsah lotta Vadge

United States

#4 Mar 6, 2013
The Church and Church members and board members have done a horrible job of protecting the children from these pedophiles. They have done a horrible job with most managing of the funds. They have done a horrible job at teaching the truth and being accepting of any one else not like them. The Church as we know it is done. Time to move on and make your belief/religion personal to YOU. Keep it to yourself or even gather with others, but Church as we know it is done. Overhaul is not enough. Humanity/Society are tires of the ill will to children and tired of the controlling lies and the being unaccepted if you are different. Time to move along....
Redneck

Latrobe, PA

#5 Mar 6, 2013
One has to wonder...if Jesus was alive on Earth today...what would he do about the Catholic Church?
lat

Punxsutawney, PA

#6 Mar 6, 2013
Redneck wrote:
One has to wonder...if Jesus was alive on Earth today...what would he do about the Catholic Church?
The same thing he would do to any other organization that covered up "sins". If you think that this only goes on or is worse in the Catholic church than elsewhere you are very sheltered. Hasn't Penn State proven that?

Instead of taking action and punishing the cause of the problem it gets covered up everywhere. Still such a taboo subject, still more important to protect the "brand" rather than the victim.
Redneck

Latrobe, PA

#7 Mar 6, 2013
I wonder if the Pope would have to register on Megan's list if he lived in the US?
Atsah lotta Vadge

United States

#8 Mar 6, 2013
Penn state = mostly Catholic. Started from Catholic Seminary.
Redneck

Latrobe, PA

#9 Mar 6, 2013
Atsah lotta Vadge wrote:
Penn state = mostly Catholic. Started from Catholic Seminary.
Sad that Penn State is now defined by one pedophile. But that's the cost when you place a football culture on the same level as a religion or a pedophile coach as a god. Cover up and lies got them what they deserved. The Catholic Church is headed for the same ditch for the same reasons. There will never be enough money to make restitution for the damage done.
Pope resigns

Carlisle, PA

#10 Mar 6, 2013
Atsah lotta Vadge wrote:
Penn state = mostly Catholic. Started from Catholic Seminary.
I think, I remember that now that you mention it.

I always found the -- duality -- of Catholics' thinking to be so weird.

The Church forbids birth control, yet most Catholic women use birth control.

The Church forbids pre-marital sex, yet most Catholics have pre-marital sex.

...and so on...

And most Cahtolics think that they can pick and choose what to follow, and then, they have to deal with the -- guilt -- of their free-thinking and repent over it?

The above dynamic makes a very screwed up character in Catholics, one where choosing sin is erased by confession, and guilt oer the sin is erased by "belief" and prayer and repentance.

The ex-Nun in the interview talked about how the Catholic Church is no longer relevant for -- modern -- society.

She explained that she and her ex-Priest husband are pained by the fact that they church that they loved, where they met, means nothing to 3 of their 4 children.

I just don't get how an old, ill man, resigning, out ofold-age, can bring up so many issues in the Catholic church.

For 600-years, a Pope has not resigned. OK, that means that the church was led by old, senile men for a lot of that 600 years, right people?

On top of Catholics believing that the Popes were infallible until their deaths, Catholics also apply some sort of holiness and other-wordliness to their Popes, as if their Popes are (and I'm using the Catholics' term)-- divine.

Like an CEO, of a large corporation -- money-making machine, power-broker -- the Pope has an ego, and the CArdinals in-waiting all want to become the most holy Cahtolic alive.

I just don't get it.

And finally, I again want to state that I don't know how any woman can practice Catholicism, since women are one-step down in the hierarchy and can't even celebrate a mass.
Redneck

Latrobe, PA

#11 Mar 6, 2013
Pope resigns wrote:
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I think, I remember that now that you mention it.
I always found the -- duality -- of Catholics' thinking to be so weird.
The Church forbids birth control, yet most Catholic women use birth control.
The Church forbids pre-marital sex, yet most Catholics have pre-marital sex.
...and so on...
And most Cahtolics think that they can pick and choose what to follow, and then, they have to deal with the -- guilt -- of their free-thinking and repent over it?
The above dynamic makes a very screwed up character in Catholics, one where choosing sin is erased by confession, and guilt oer the sin is erased by "belief" and prayer and repentance.
The ex-Nun in the interview talked about how the Catholic Church is no longer relevant for -- modern -- society.
She explained that she and her ex-Priest husband are pained by the fact that they church that they loved, where they met, means nothing to 3 of their 4 children.
I just don't get how an old, ill man, resigning, out ofold-age, can bring up so many issues in the Catholic church.
For 600-years, a Pope has not resigned. OK, that means that the church was led by old, senile men for a lot of that 600 years, right people?
On top of Catholics believing that the Popes were infallible until their deaths, Catholics also apply some sort of holiness and other-wordliness to their Popes, as if their Popes are (and I'm using the Catholics' term)-- divine.
Like an CEO, of a large corporation -- money-making machine, power-broker -- the Pope has an ego, and the CArdinals in-waiting all want to become the most holy Cahtolic alive.
I just don't get it.
And finally, I again want to state that I don't know how any woman can practice Catholicism, since women are one-step down in the hierarchy and can't even celebrate a mass.
Even when I was in Holy Family, I couldn't wrap my head around some of the teachings.

everybody was equal in the eyes of God...but you couldn't marry a non-Catholic.

If Adam & Eve were the first two human beings, wouldn't the rest of humanity be born from incest?

And why weren't dinosaurs in the Bible?

How did Noah get 2 of every animal on Earth in one boat...how did he know what animals were everywhere?

What is the difference between God and Santa Claus?

Isn't faith the same reasoning that Carny Acts depend on to get your money?

If God knows everything...why do I have to tell a priest what I did? And if God is the judge of us all when we die...why am I following all these rituals that he never said we had to do?

Come on people...belief in a set of great ideals thought up and practicced by someone 2000 years ago is one thing...but jumping through all these rigorous costly hoops designed around a utopia (7 levels even ) and a fire pit in order for a certain select group of eliteists to gain power and wealth...not exactly what Jesus had in mind.
lat

Punxsutawney, PA

#12 Mar 6, 2013
Atsah lotta Vadge wrote:
Penn state = mostly Catholic. Started from Catholic Seminary.
might of been at a Catholic type school but the one that molested and those that covered up were not "of the church of church". Just a sick man and those that loved football more than the victims.
Disillusioned

Greensburg, PA

#13 Mar 6, 2013
Redneck wrote:
One has to wonder...if Jesus was alive on Earth today...what would he do about the Catholic Church?
If Jesus were indeed alive on earth today, many of the people who post here would be calling him a socialist. Didn't Jesus preach we should help our fellow human beings? How many times on this site have people condemned other people, called them "takers" among other things without ever knowing their situations? So, I guess the answer to that question would be he would have to battle the hate and discrimination from everyone (who undoubtedly think they are "good christians" and sit in the front pews of their churches)who think it's every man for himself and have no empathy for people who, through no fault of their own, have fallen on hard times.
Aunt Bea

United States

#14 Mar 6, 2013
Dreadful,dreadful people. Ooooooo Andy !!!!
jmdammit

United States

#15 Mar 6, 2013
Disillusioned wrote:
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If Jesus were indeed alive on earth today, many of the people who post here would be calling him a socialist. Didn't Jesus preach we should help our fellow human beings? How many times on this site have people condemned other people, called them "takers" among other things without ever knowing their situations? So, I guess the answer to that question would be he would have to battle the hate and discrimination from everyone (who undoubtedly think they are "good christians" and sit in the front pews of their churches)who think it's every man for himself and have no empathy for people who, through no fault of their own, have fallen on hard times.
I'm with you on that one !!!...but what does it have to do with "pa Gov 2010"?(Thread highjacked again.)
jmdammit

United States

#16 Mar 6, 2013
jmdammit wrote:
<quoted text>I'm with you on that one !!!...but what does it have to do with "pa Gov 2010"?(Thread highjacked again.)
Oops...wrong thread...sorry...following too many...I need to get a life.
Tornado Warning

Carlisle, PA

#18 Mar 7, 2013
lat wrote:
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He preached help for the defenseless not the lazy. Show me anywhere in the bible where it says to support the people that refuse to support themselves.
He is also talking mostly about salvation when preaching to help others. Meaning we cannot be saved on our own. We are all sinners and need help to repent and receive salvation (ex Romans 5:6,8)
I wasn't aware that Jesus Christ's teachings differentiated between the poor and the lazy. Which book and verse say that?

The Christian Old Testament talks about support for orphans and widows...

The Christian New Testament talks about teach a man to work...

Of course, in the Old Testament there are all sorts of tricks and treachery and disguise and cunning. I love your Old Testament: women in veils, women going into dark bedrooms to sleep with men -- it's very exciting. A god that bursts into flames...

But, your New Testament, well, that's all about "belief" and "faith" in what one cannot see. It is all about "love thy neighbor"...

-----Doesn't your New Testament talk abot the pains of the poor and meek leading them to inherit the world (in the after life?)

-----That type of promise to destitute people, 2000-years ago, surely got them on board (and keeps people "on board" and "under tow" today, and following all the rules set up for them to be "good"). It's a great system, to keep people sort of dumbed down and waiting for:

-----salvation and an eternal happiness in an afterlife.
lat

Punxsutawney, PA

#19 Mar 7, 2013
Tornado Warning wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't aware that Jesus Christ's teachings differentiated between the poor and the lazy. Which book and verse say that?
The Christian Old Testament talks about support for orphans and widows...
The Christian New Testament talks about teach a man to work...
Of course, in the Old Testament there are all sorts of tricks and treachery and disguise and cunning. I love your Old Testament: women in veils, women going into dark bedrooms to sleep with men -- it's very exciting. A god that bursts into flames...
But, your New Testament, well, that's all about "belief" and "faith" in what one cannot see. It is all about "love thy neighbor"...
-----Doesn't your New Testament talk abot the pains of the poor and meek leading them to inherit the world (in the after life?)
-----That type of promise to destitute people, 2000-years ago, surely got them on board (and keeps people "on board" and "under tow" today, and following all the rules set up for them to be "good"). It's a great system, to keep people sort of dumbed down and waiting for:
-----salvation and an eternal happiness in an afterlife.
From Proverbs

The sluggard's craving will be the death of him, because his hands refuse to work”(21:25)
The sluggard is wiser in his own eyes than seven men who answer discreetly”(26:16)
Whoever works his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits will have plenty of poverty.(28:19)

Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

Again i ask you to give references where the bible says lazy people that are unwilling to work should be supported by anyone?

The majority of the time when "poor" is referenced in the bible it is refering to poor in spirit not in wordly possessions.
Tornado Warning

Carlisle, PA

#20 Mar 7, 2013
lat wrote:
Whoever works his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits will have plenty of poverty.(28:19)
That's a great Biblical quote. Show that to your Republican representatives. Explain that minimum wage no longer provides for persons to own land...

And, in today's society, those who follow worthless pursuits seem to make a lot of money. Can you spell K A R D A S H I A N ? They're loaded and everything they make money off of, is worthless.

I guess, working the land, figuratively speaking, no longer applies to about 47,000 million Americans.

But, hey, don't forget to tithe your Catholic Church so that the Pope's bazillion dollar art collection can be kept cooled to the right preservation/archive temperature.

And remember, those 1.5-billion Catholics, workwide, well, their churches take in the cashola and, well, we all know where all the cashola goes...
Karl Marx

Carlisle, PA

#22 Mar 7, 2013
Religion is the opiate of the masses.

Or we could say, as well...

Religion is he opiate "in" the masses.

Get it?

Just a little Catholic humor for the Catholics out there.

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