Should Latrobe CITY secede from GLSD?

Created by Recreate Latrobe on Jan 23, 2013

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hell ya and how fast!

take back the curriculum! teach morals too!

100% of students walk to in-town schools

lose sports, emphasize academics

lose the old school board - create new board

cut costs tremendously: no bus company leases

use St. John's empty school

use Holy Family's 1/2 empty school

salvage the original High School

let UNITY assume 100% of 10-million sports complex

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Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#1 Jan 23, 2013
Keynote speaker at Latrobe's Strategic Planning meetings was Thomas Hylton, who's famous for his 1996 publication, "Save our Land Save our Towns - A Plan for Pennsylvania.

Hylton believes that 100% of students in small towns should be able to walk to schools, for health, well-being and community spirit and togetherness.

I agree.

Should the CITY of Latrobe secede from GLSD, use the buildings that it already has, within the city limits and recreate a new school district that emphasizes academics, and -- whoa Nelly, family values and morals, too?

I think so.

Let Unity Township have its $10,000,000 sports complex for its -- its -- residents to use. Let Unity pay for bussing its students.

When people left small towns, usually those with money, and moved to the "high life", they took on the burden of travel (not my opinion, but Hylton's).

Let Unity have its Mountain View grade school; its Baggely Elementary, and its round weird building and sprawling high school -- and its tax-laden upcoming debt.

Let Latrobe recreate itself with a new, small district serving the people, who lives within its 2.2 sq. miles, and let Latrobeans, who lives within the city boundaries select a school board IN TUNE with its values and ideals and goals for revitalization.

People in Latrobe want their kids to succeed in life, go to college, trade schools, etc. Frankly, no one cares too much if their girls swim or their boys letter in basketball.

Well, at least we know that Latrobe would keep its football and track teams -- since Latrobe owns the stadium (could be a sticky point, but let Unity buy it from Latrobe...)

Let the new Latrobe create a curriculum that teaches comparative religion, so that Latrobe, a small town, can better address bigotry and racism better than large inner city schools.

Would you move to Latrobe, if you knew your child would study an academic program and get the help s/he needs as opposed to have your tax dollars go for sports and ridiculous things that don't mean all that much once ya graduate?

Latrobe would cut down on pollution, too -- it would go green on its school transportation.

This could put the small town -- yes, Latrobe is a small town -- "on the map" and bring people to its borders.

This is two ways to improve Latrobe: 1) no bussing, and 2) create moral based curriculum without the frivolous, expenditures on non-academics.
Wow

Mount Pleasant, PA

#2 Jan 24, 2013
Recreate Latrobe wrote:
Keynote speaker at Latrobe's Strategic Planning meetings was Thomas Hylton, who's famous for his 1996 publication, "Save our Land Save our Towns - A Plan for Pennsylvania.
Hylton believes that 100% of students in small towns should be able to walk to schools, for health, well-being and community spirit and togetherness.
I agree.
Should the CITY of Latrobe secede from GLSD, use the buildings that it already has, within the city limits and recreate a new school district that emphasizes academics, and -- whoa Nelly, family values and morals, too?
I think so.
Let Unity Township have its $10,000,000 sports complex for its -- its -- residents to use. Let Unity pay for bussing its students.
When people left small towns, usually those with money, and moved to the "high life", they took on the burden of travel (not my opinion, but Hylton's).
Let Unity have its Mountain View grade school; its Baggely Elementary, and its round weird building and sprawling high school -- and its tax-laden upcoming debt.
Let Latrobe recreate itself with a new, small district serving the people, who lives within its 2.2 sq. miles, and let Latrobeans, who lives within the city boundaries select a school board IN TUNE with its values and ideals and goals for revitalization.
People in Latrobe want their kids to succeed in life, go to college, trade schools, etc. Frankly, no one cares too much if their girls swim or their boys letter in basketball.
Well, at least we know that Latrobe would keep its football and track teams -- since Latrobe owns the stadium (could be a sticky point, but let Unity buy it from Latrobe...)
Let the new Latrobe create a curriculum that teaches comparative religion, so that Latrobe, a small town, can better address bigotry and racism better than large inner city schools.
Would you move to Latrobe, if you knew your child would study an academic program and get the help s/he needs as opposed to have your tax dollars go for sports and ridiculous things that don't mean all that much once ya graduate?
Latrobe would cut down on pollution, too -- it would go green on its school transportation.
This could put the small town -- yes, Latrobe is a small town -- "on the map" and bring people to its borders.
This is two ways to improve Latrobe: 1) no bussing, and 2) create moral based curriculum without the frivolous, expenditures on non-academics.
You ARE clueless, but it's also entertaining to see a mental case that doesn't think she's one try to converse intelligently.
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#4 Jan 24, 2013
lat wrote:
Seriously? What frickin planet are you on? From this post alone you can tell you have no children and are out of touch with today's families.
According to the keynote speaker, people want their children to walk to school, to have a sense of community -- walking past neighbors' homes, walking through alleys -- and that walking to school is the chosen "path" over bussing.

In fact, the noted several small town communities where all kids -- K-12 -- walked to school.

Maybe you should buy his book. Someone else found a copy on eBay for $4.00. You might like what he has to say.
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#5 Jan 24, 2013
Wow wrote:
You ARE clueless, but it's also entertaining to see a mental case that doesn't think she's one try to converse intelligently.
Maybe you too should buy the speaker's book and read about what helps a small town to revitalize. If people in Latrobe started having places to walk to, if the kids, all kids, started walking to school, the town would be more like a real community and not like a ghost town, downtown, and elsewhere.

And, the infrastructure exists in Latrobe, for it to recreate a new school district. It's not a weird idea at all. It's just that it's a new idea to you.
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#6 Jan 24, 2013
The keynote speaker placed the walking center of Latrobe at LES. He saw that building as the "heart" of the town, not because it was the town's grade school, per se, but because it was a center point for walking to, as well.

I disagree, since the northside extends so far past the hospital to Ridgeview Heights and Garfiled Road and Donohue Road. I see the center of town as being Depot & Ligonier Streets.
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#7 Jan 24, 2013
lat wrote:
Seriously? What frickin planet are you on? From this post alone you can tell you have no children and are out of touch with today's families.
You live in Lawson Heights, so you'd get to stay with Unity Township and your kids could have the pool, and new sports complex (that's not needed for $10,000,000). Your taxes in Unity could rise to meet the demand.

And while your kids wait for the bus, the kids within the city limits of Latrobe will be out walking 20-minutes to get to school, they'll be getting exercise (without sports programs, another major point of the keynote speaker is that walking is critical to health!), and the kids in Latrobe could be "free" to transport themselves all over Latrobe -- via their legs
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#8 Jan 24, 2013
Hempfield Township and Greensburg are two different schools, yet Hempfield runs alongside Greensburg's borders. This would be the same for Unity School district and Latrobe.

Latrobe would be a small rural school district where kids focused on academics, like at a private school, where sports and frivolous classes are not even offered and emphasized.

The town of Latrobe could recreate itself by creating its own -- in town -- school district, to which 100% of kids could walk.
william robert

Jeannette, PA

#9 Jan 24, 2013
Recreate Latrobe wrote:
Hempfield Township and Greensburg are two different schools, yet Hempfield runs alongside Greensburg's borders. This would be the same for Unity School district and Latrobe.

Latrobe would be a small rural school district where kids focused on academics, like at a private school, where sports and frivolous classes are not even offered and emphasized.

The town of Latrobe could recreate itself by creating its own -- in town -- school district, to which 100% of kids could walk.
What about the kids who want to enjoy sports? Sorry but everyone does not enjoy art and all the other things you do.
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#11 Jan 24, 2013
william robert wrote:
What about the kids who want to enjoy sports? Sorry but everyone does not enjoy art and all the other things you do.
Good question. In a small town that's facing bankruptcy in 10-years, if the town doesn't control its spending; in a town that wants to revitilize and create a new self (much needed for LAtrobe, since the old ways of thinking have led to its current sad state of affairs); in a town that wants to take back a lifestyle that will help the health of its kids and general population:

Sports that require no overhead are:

-----soccer
-----running
-----basketball (gyms in town exist)
-----tennis
-----track & field
-----golf (always takes place off property anyway)

What would the new small town school district not be able to provide?

-----swimming

What would the town have to split the costs on?

-----football (what a rivalry there would be!)

Which sports did I miss?
lat

Irwin, PA

#12 Jan 24, 2013
Recreate Latrobe wrote:
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You live in Lawson Heights, so you'd get to stay with Unity Township and your kids could have the pool, and new sports complex (that's not needed for $10,000,000). Your taxes in Unity could rise to meet the demand.
And while your kids wait for the bus, the kids within the city limits of Latrobe will be out walking 20-minutes to get to school, they'll be getting exercise (without sports programs, another major point of the keynote speaker is that walking is critical to health!), and the kids in Latrobe could be "free" to transport themselves all over Latrobe -- via their legs
yes i live in Unity but many of my friends and childrens friends live in Latrobe. Most that have to walk, hate it (especially in this weather, rain or snow) In this day in age having children walk 20+ min thru alleys and neighborhoods just isn't safe. Not even in your creation of Stepford Latrobe.

Yours and the speakers pipe dreams for Latrobe don't coincide with how the majority of Latrobe thinks or feels. No one wants to segregrate the two (unity, latrobe) areas or force the town kids to give up sports for your idea of Latrobe. Plus do you really think that the great city of Latrobe could support a school without the the Unity tax base?

Please understand that while the 40's - 70's were nice those days no longer exsist. Latrobe needs to become more than a giant nursing home and taking away any activity from students and segregating the areas such as you suggest will drive young families out of Latrobe not into it. Also i realize you are a little older and since you have no children to go thru the college process with, i will tell you that colleges want rounded students. They look at what activities the students are involved in as well as whether they volunteer, their grades and attendance record.

Do me a favor, go thru last years yearbook, count how many students graduated and then count how many were involved in 1 or more sports or clubs. Your statements that most don't do sports or less than 1/4 do sports is easily debunked. Then after you do that turn off Little House on the Prarie, turn off your computer (or obama phone) and try to help yourself. You don't have a clue what todays families want because you don't have one nor do you have any personal relationships with any (tv shows and internet sites don't count as relationships)
william robert

Jeannette, PA

#13 Jan 24, 2013
Recreate Latrobe wrote:
<quoted text>Good question. In a small town that's facing bankruptcy in 10-years, if the town doesn't control its spending; in a town that wants to revitilize and create a new self (much needed for LAtrobe, since the old ways of thinking have led to its current sad state of affairs); in a town that wants to take back a lifestyle that will help the health of its kids and general population:

Sports that require no overhead are:

-----soccer
-----running
-----basketball (gyms in town exist)
-----tennis
-----track & field
-----golf (always takes place off property anyway)

What would the new small town school district not be able to provide?

-----swimming

What would the town have to split the costs on?

-----football (what a rivalry there would be!)

Which sports did I miss?
You are crazy, every sport has some sort of overhead, uniforms, someone has to pay the light bill for a gym. Do you think a golf course is just going to let a school use it for free?
Pennies from Heaven

Carlisle, PA

#14 Jan 24, 2013
Thurlow Weed wrote:
I don't think the original poster understands the extent that Unity Township subsidizes the education of the students from the City of Latrobe.
With only City tax money the school would be a poor substitute for what is currently in place.
I think that these types of plans are only feasible when money falls from the heavens.
Dearest Thurlow:

How many K-12 kids actually live within the confines of Latrobe's city limits?

There are 8,200 people in Latrobe. Are 15% of those under 18 kids? I could pull up a Census demographics for Latrobe, but for now let's guesstimate.

-----1230 kids would be "in town" educated kids

-----Doesn't GLSD spend over $8,000 / year on each student?(with all the bells and whistles and high-paid administrators).

-----Keeping the same RIDICULOUS spending...that equates to a need, partially subsidized by the STATE, of $10,000,000/year.

-----There are 2,500 household in Latrobe, which pay, let's guesstimate again, and average of $1000/year in school taxes; hence $2,500,000 would come right to the table.

Hmmm...

And if spending on each student was cut...since operations of the district would be much less. I think we could take the budget down to $7,500,000 / year.

That leaves a need, subsidized by the STATE of 66$ of total costs.

I don't think that's unreasonable. The STATE would contribute %5,000,000 to the new small town school district.

-----What % does the STATE subsidize GLSD now?
lat

Irwin, PA

#15 Jan 24, 2013
Recreate Latrobe wrote:
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Good question. In a small town that's facing bankruptcy in 10-years, if the town doesn't control its spending; in a town that wants to revitilize and create a new self (much needed for LAtrobe, since the old ways of thinking have led to its current sad state of affairs); in a town that wants to take back a lifestyle that will help the health of its kids and general population:
Sports that require no overhead are:
-----soccer
-----running
-----basketball (gyms in town exist)
-----tennis
-----track & field
-----golf (always takes place off property anyway)
What would the new small town school district not be able to provide?
-----swimming
What would the town have to split the costs on?
-----football (what a rivalry there would be!)
Which sports did I miss?
And you think by taking 1/3 of the schools population you could fill any team or have one that could be competive enough to exsist? Can't have a rivalry when you don't have enough on the team.

You think bankrupcy is gonna happen in 10 years? This idea could speed up the process. How many families would move away just so their children could get the whole academic/sports expierence? How many would move because Latrobe couldn't afford decent teachers?

Huge factors in purchasing a house are the schools and drs/hospitals. Latrobe doesn't offer great houses in many of the area in and around town. Not many jobs around to keep people here. Drs are moving to Unity and Latrobe hospital stinks so take away the school draw factor and why on earth would anyone stay?
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#16 Jan 24, 2013
lat wrote:
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And you think by taking 1/3 of the schools population you could fill any team or have one that could be competive enough to exsist? Can't have a rivalry when you don't have enough on the team.
You think bankrupcy is gonna happen in 10 years? This idea could speed up the process. How many families would move away just so their children could get the whole academic/sports expierence? How many would move because Latrobe couldn't afford decent teachers?
Huge factors in purchasing a house are the schools and drs/hospitals. Latrobe doesn't offer great houses in many of the area in and around town. Not many jobs around to keep people here. Drs are moving to Unity and Latrobe hospital stinks so take away the school draw factor and why on earth would anyone stay?
Well, you've asked some GREAT questions.

1) The goal of sports would be health, not winning.

2) I believe that FAR MORE people would move to a town, where their kids could walk all over the place than would leave. The KEYNOTE SPEAKER Thomas Hylton agrees with this and provides studies to prove that people want "walkable" communities

3) Do people really move to Latrobe for EXCELA Health? All I ever hear is that most people want to drive to Pittsburgh for UPMC's superior care. And, EXCELA Health isn't going anywhere, to it's still a draw to anyone considering a relocation to a small, rural town.

4) And, yes! Latrobe hass HIDEOUSLY UGLY real estate and housing. This needs to be addressed for the town to revive itself, since the town is -- on its last breath.
lat

Irwin, PA

#18 Jan 24, 2013
Recreate Latrobe wrote:
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Well, you've asked some GREAT questions.
1) The goal of sports would be health, not winning.
Says the person always picked last. This might be true in elementary but not jr/sr high. If the programs aren't successful they are cut.
2) I believe that FAR MORE people would move to a town, where their kids could walk all over the place than would leave. The KEYNOTE SPEAKER Thomas Hylton agrees with this and provides studies to prove that people want "walkable" communities.
Would this be why more and more people are moving out of towns and into rural communities where they can own propery? Would this be why more people want to live outside of town rather than inside? If walking is for exercise you can do that anywhere, if it a necessity then you have no choice in where you live.
3) Do people really move to Latrobe for EXCELA Health? All I ever hear is that most people want to drive to Pittsburgh for UPMC's superior care. And, EXCELA Health isn't going anywhere, to it's still a draw to anyone considering a relocation to a small, rural town.
Never said people moved here for Excela, did i? Comperhension problems? Let me put it another way. One thing people look for when purchasing a home is proximity of drs/hospital. Unity will have the drs and Latrobe hospital sucks.
4) And, yes! Latrobe hass HIDEOUSLY UGLY real estate and housing. This needs to be addressed for the town to revive itself, since the town is -- on its last breath.
Would you be the one to decide which homes get razed? Most live in what they can afford.
Please give me the numbers on the students that are active in sports or clubs.[/
Hit the Taxpayer

Latrobe, PA

#19 Jan 24, 2013
I firmly believe that in the next 10 years, the present hospital will close, and the property will become another nursing/county home. Excella is on the move to create a county facility. Hey when people are really sick now they transport them to UPMC Presby, and so do the heart doctors.
lat

Irwin, PA

#20 Jan 24, 2013
R- sorry for how my reply is try to read it i did answer each of your numbered points
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#21 Jan 24, 2013
According to this article, PA spends almost $13,000/student (not including kindergarten).

And PA ranks, in this study, in the top end of educational results.

However, how that $13,000 is applied is up to the school district, to a certain extent.

-----What if a school district, a small, rural school district, too that figure and used it almost exclusively for teaching and not so much for administration and sports?

This area is a new subject area for me, so someone needs to provide an analysis of GLSD's $52,000,000/year budget and show how that gets spread around.

I'm guess that a lot of the money gets spent on facilities that just doesn't need to get spent.

What I am suggesting is: a "radical" return to the basics, a chalkboard, a well-schooled teacher, lively discussions, and LOTS OF HOMEWORK.

If we look at what the $52,000,000 gets spent on, we can begin to pull out what it will cost to simply have a teaching staff, a few facilities, and a small budget for "frills".
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#22 Jan 24, 2013
Recreate Latrobe

Carlisle, PA

#23 Jan 24, 2013
Let's go back to the original amount of guesstimated schoolchildren in Latrobe.

What did I guess? 1230 students?

If spending was kept on par with the wildly crazy GLSD system in place. and with the figures-per-student listed above, then Latrobe CITY would need how much?

1230 X 13,000 =

Will someone with a calculator calculate that please?

Then, we can subtract the $2,500,000 that I guesstimated Latrobe real estate taxes provide at:

2,500 (households) X $1,000 in annual school taxes =$2,500,000

Hence, the balance of the funds do indeed my dear Thurlow, come from the STATE and FEDS.

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