Latrobe’s revitalization in capable hands with Felice, search panel says

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Good luck, Nick. You're going to need it.

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Nov 28, 2012
 
He is certainly gonna need it. Gotta love the article...same old voices

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Second That wrote:
Gotta love the article...same old voices
You mean the ones who chose the guy for the job? Yeah, go figure...
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Nov 29, 2012
 
It will be interesting to see how one can grow a business community without increasing the amount of disposable money people have and/or are willing to spend within it. The locals are old, living on fixed incomes, and are basically pretty tight with a buck. The spend-free types are working part-time jobs making little more than minimum wage who can’t afford anything else other than Chicom goods at Wal*Mart. And the good old boys who run the show behind the scenes don’t want a huge influx of outsiders coming in and “nosing” around.

If this new guy wants to rock the boat…I give him as much time here as it takes him to find better pickens elsewhere.
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Redneck wrote:
It will be interesting to see how one can grow a business community without increasing the amount of disposable money people have and/or are willing to spend within it. The locals are old, living on fixed incomes, and are basically pretty tight with a buck. The spend-free types are working part-time jobs making little more than minimum wage who can’t afford anything else other than Chicom goods at Wal*Mart. And the good old boys who run the show behind the scenes don’t want a huge influx of outsiders coming in and “nosing” around.
If this new guy wants to rock the boat…I give him as much time here as it takes him to find better pickens elsewhere.
Of course, you're absolutely right. So why the sham? the show? the song and dance for the residents? They are already disheartened and downtrodden. For whom was the Revitalization "story" created?

However, Reds, I do have to disagree with you a little.

There's LOADS OF dual income households in Unity township. The building behind Kennametal, in Wimmerton, along White School Road, East High Acres II, and other places.

While I think that the Unity TOwnship Corridor has grabbed these spenders and drawn them to the Shopping Plazas along Route 30...will Latorbe be able to bring them into downtown to shop?

No!

Unless Lartobe's products are different than what are offered along Route 30.
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Nov 29, 2012
 
That dual-income group you are referring to does not have any need to come to Latrobe, even for necessities like food, clothing, and health care needs. Those needs are satisfied on a daily basis in the areas you mentioned and any higher end items will be obtained in the Pittsburgh area.

Entertainment and vacations by that income group is done by getting on a plane and flying to more exotic places…certainly not Latrobe. Local entertainment venues such as theater and concerts are taken by the surrounding areas like Greensburg, Ligonier, Johnstown and Pittsburgh. Any business growth has to be done by attracting jobs…not tourists. The new businesses have to generate tax revenue as well as disposable income…sustainable jobs with security and wages great enough to make it worthwhile to stay and spend here. Then more businesses would come to supply the demand for all the good things in life that good jobs provide.

The present strategy is putting lipstick on a pig. Who is selling the lipstick?

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Nov 29, 2012
 

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How do you attract jobs to a region that traditionally consists of overpaid, underworked, unskilled and uneducated workers? Competition for the few high paying production jobs in this country is fierce, and there is _nothing_ to distinguish Latrobe from a thousand other rust belt towns. And even less to give it an edge up on communities in areas of this country capable of offering real monetary incentives.

Keep wishing and whining about it, but it's not going to happen in Latrobe, and there isn't a divine savior who is going to make it happen.

Revitalization in this region will always mean putting lipstick on. Filling store fronts so that the town doesn't look like something after the apocalypse. Fixing the streets and sidewalks so that they don't look like they were last paved in the 80s. Fixing up residential areas to make them attractive to someone other than junkies and those on fixed incomes. Until THOSE things happen, Latrobe will continue to slide, to become more rundown, property values will continue to fall and fewer people will want to live there.
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Both of you are wrong, and both of you are right.

Hmmmm...

But, if as both writers purport, "putting lipstick on a pig" is the goal,(I always like to say, what's happened in Latrobe is like a teenage girl putting makeup on an acne ridden face), then, why hasn't Latrobe already cleaned itself up?

If cleanup is the goal -- and it should be, one of the things I've harped about for more than three-years -- the why isn't Latrobe clean?

Does Latrobe really need a $60,000/year Director of Revitalization to get utilities put underground, to fill potholes, to fix curbs and plant trees and award home improvement grants to the low-income locals who can't fix their gutters and downspouts and porch railing?

Last night on the phone, my 90-year-old Uncle asked me if there was even a restaurant left in downtown Latrobe, and I had to answer, no (of course I thought of Hotel Loyal and to me that should be part of downtown).

But this man remembers Latrobe in its hey days -- 1930s-1960s.

-----Latrobe could approach that level of productivity again, and commerce, and nightlife. I know that, I believe that. But, it takes a person who's willing to go beyond the town's limits and the county, and even the region, to bring together investors and the other components to

-----BUILDING a NEW TOWN.

Does Felice have the ability to bring it all together?

Or, is Felice just the person hired to put makeup over the acne covered skin?
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Jim Moz wrote:
there isn't a divine savior who is going to make it happen.
I disagree. Lots of small towns have Divine Saviors and investors, and they redefine themselves for the new age, the modern world.
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Vulcan Mold and Iron wrote:
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I disagree. Lots of small towns have Divine Saviors and investors, and they redefine themselves for the new age, the modern world.
Can you please give us some examples? Maybe some of these small towns with Divine Saviors can act as a template for revitalization here. Thanks!
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Jim Moz wrote:
How do you attract jobs to a region that traditionally consists of overpaid, underworked, unskilled and uneducated workers?
It's time to GENTRIFY Latrobe.

Bring in talented people to over-run the deadbeats who live here, not the good people of the town, the families, who've spent generations here, but the deadbeats who've moved in, contributed nothing to their properties.

It's time to RAISE THE BAR for what LAtrobe wants for itself.

It's time to look at what's going on in LAtrobe and say, "Hey, we want something better!"
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Jagger wrote:
Can you please give us some examples? Maybe some of these small towns with Divine Saviors can act as a template for revitalization here. Thanks!
Jagger, there's an old thread where I endlessly posted information about towns that revitalize, probably 100-posts. I posted lots of information and even introduced the acronym, CAVE people:

Citizens

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Everything

Which was created by an expert in City Planning and Revitalization.

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Nov 29, 2012
 
Vulcan Mold and Iron wrote:
Does Felice have the ability to bring it all together?
Will he be able to effect significant change?

Unlikely. If Latrobe turns things around, it will be very gradual. But if he can just bring in a few shops and office tenants, and dig up a few extra state or federal dollars, he'll have more than earned his keep.
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Jagger wrote:
Can you please give us some examples? Maybe some of these small towns with Divine Saviors can act as a template for revitalization here. Thanks!
I thought that there were more posts. I may have started another thread, but this is a good beginning for everyone.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/latrobe-pa/TE...
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Vulcan Mold and Iron wrote:
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Jagger, there's an old thread where I endlessly posted information about towns that revitalize, probably 100-posts. I posted lots of information and even introduced the acronym, CAVE people:
Citizens
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Which was created by an expert in City Planning and Revitalization.
You stated that "Lots of small towns have Divine Saviors and investors", and I asked for examples. None of the information you supplied gave examples of 'Divine Saviors and investors'. Thanks anyway.
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Jagger wrote:
You stated that "Lots of small towns have Divine Saviors and investors", and I asked for examples. None of the information you supplied gave examples of 'Divine Saviors and investors'. Thanks anyway.
God said he wanted to remain anonymous. For isn't god at the root of all vision, change, inspiration, and turn around?
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Jagger wrote:
You stated that "Lots of small towns have Divine Saviors and investors", and I asked for examples. None of the information you supplied gave examples of 'Divine Saviors and investors'. Thanks anyway.
A list of investors is always available for those who put in the time...
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Nov 29, 2012
 
You are right...which rebegs the question...what's all the revitalization BS about. If you can't sustain new and/or improved businesses by turnng a profit, then the only way a cleaned up Latrobe can happen is if the government does it. The government is broke and socialism is a taboo word in our media-indoctrinated society. So the only other unlikely senario is a savior who is wealthy and stupid.

All the discussions and ideas about revitalization are academic at beast, wishful thinking at least...and totally unrealistic in truth.
Jim Moz wrote:
How do you attract jobs to a region that traditionally consists of overpaid, underworked, unskilled and uneducated workers? Competition for the few high paying production jobs in this country is fierce, and there is _nothing_ to distinguish Latrobe from a thousand other rust belt towns. And even less to give it an edge up on communities in areas of this country capable of offering real monetary incentives.
Keep wishing and whining about it, but it's not going to happen in Latrobe, and there isn't a divine savior who is going to make it happen.
Revitalization in this region will always mean putting lipstick on. Filling store fronts so that the town doesn't look like something after the apocalypse. Fixing the streets and sidewalks so that they don't look like they were last paved in the 80s. Fixing up residential areas to make them attractive to someone other than junkies and those on fixed incomes. Until THOSE things happen, Latrobe will continue to slide, to become more rundown, property values will continue to fall and fewer people will want to live there.
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Nov 29, 2012
 
Vulcan Mold and Iron wrote:
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I disagree. Lots of small towns have Divine Saviors and investors, and they redefine themselves for the new age, the modern world.
Name one in the area....

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Nov 29, 2012
 
Investors in _what_?

Go build a three story commercial building on the most prime piece of downtown real estate that you can find. Fresh retail store fronts on the first level, modern offices above.

Then try to find tenants and let us all know how much money you make. Sell the building in ten years and let us know how much it's appreciated in value.

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