Blaming Israel for carnage

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Most media outlets aren't providing news of Israel's barbaric air raids on Lebanon with fairness and integrity.
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You're the Jew who would look at a young Palestinian girl raped in full view of her peers and parents and then shot in the head by violent IDF killers and ask for 'evidence' as to how this bomb-throwing, ungrateful, animal, Hamas-supporting, hate-filled child came to be raped and then shot in the head by hate-filled IDF killers in full view of witnesses. The only 'crap' I seem to be reading on the internet is crap coming forth here from a proven and self-confessing Nutjob.
as usual a lot said but nothing at the same time. I would stop a rape if I ever saw one no matter who they are. In Palestinian society they rape the "Human Rights Activists" who come to help them and I have not even mentioned what happens next door.

When did this case ever occur?

It is very sad. Another person here who speaks a lot but unable to back up ANYTHING they say. When asking for evidence you just go on another round of babbling.
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Firstly you have given no source for these quotes. You claim they are from the publications mentioned but give no evidence to support it. You often sound very sane and while I don't always agree with you I can see where you are coming from. I find you very naive though unless you don't care about truth. It seems as though you will accept anti-Israel material with no evidence and without researching it to see if it is even true. This is very disturbing and is one of the reasons why I defend Israel.

Quote from Moshe Dayan while it did appear in Haaretz and was said to Technion University students you seem to have deleted the most important line which takes it out of context:-

In answer to a student's question suggesting that Israel adopt a policy of punishing Arabs who commit crimes in the West Bank by deportation to Jordan, Dayan answers that he is vehemently opposed to this idea, insisting that the answer to the longstanding Arab-Israeli problem is to learn to live together with Arab neighbors. He goes on to say:

"We came to a region of land that was inhabited by Arabs, and we set up a Jewish state. In a considerable number of places, WE PURCHASED THE LAND FROM ARABS and set up Jewish villages WHERE THERE HAD ONCE BEEN ARAB VILLAGES. You don't even know the names [of the previous Arab villages] and I don't blame you, because those geography books aren't around anymore. Not only the books, the villages aren't around. Nahalal was established in the place of Mahalul, and Gvat was established in the place of Jibta, Sarid in the place of Huneifis and Kfar Yehoshua in the place of Tel Shaman. There isn't any place that was established in an area where there had not at one time been an Arab settlement."

SO YOU DIDN'T WRITE THE WHOLE QUOTE AND TRIED TO CHANGE THE CONTEXT.

You second quote is also taken out of context:-
Actual quote, from Rabin's Memoirs, pp 383-384:

"While the fighting was still in progress, we had to grapple
with a troublesome problem, for whose solution we could
not draw upon any previous experience: the fate of the civilian
population of Lod and Ramle, numbering some 50,000. Not
even Ben-Gurion could offer any solution, and during the
discussions at operational headquarters, he remained silent, a
s was his habit in all such situations. Clearly, we could not
leave Lod's hostile and armed populace in our rear, where it
could endanger the supply route to Yiftach (another brigade),
which was advancing eastward. We walked outside, Ben-Gurion
accompanying us. Allon repeated his question: "What is to be
done with the population?" B.G. waved his hand in a gesture
which said, "Drive them out!"

It was a war and they were discussing hostile enemies behind them.

The Third quote is from a reporter giving his opinion in a newspaper. Not sure how that is evidence of anything apart from that this is his OPINION.

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The Forth quote is more of the same from you and the Israel haters:-

http://www.camera.org/index.asp...

Qumsiyeh’s paraphrase leading up to the quote is pure fabrication. As noted by Efraim Karsh, Professor and Head of the Mediterranean Studies Program at King's College, University of London:

"Herzl's diary entry makes no mention of either Arabs or Palestine, and for good reason. A careful reading of Herzl's diary entries for June 1895 reveals that, at the time, he did not consider Palestine to be the future site of Jewish resettlement but rather South America."

Furthermore, by omitting key parts of Herzl’s diary entry, Qumsiyeh also misrepresents the meaning of Herzl’s comment. Herzl wrote of finding employment for the locals in other countries; of buying their property–only from those willing to sell and for more than the owners would have expected–and then keeping the properties for Jews; and of respectfully tolerating and protecting those of other faiths.

A more complete version of Herzl’s diary entries that day follows, with some of the significant omissions by Qumsiyeh underlined:

"When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of immovable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back.

It goes without saying that we shall respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion. This is another area in which we shall set the entire old world a wonderful example....

Estate owners who are attached to their soil ... will be offered a complete transplantation–to any place they wish, like our own people....If this offer is not accepted either, no harm will be done.... we shall simply leave them there ...."

ORION ANOTHER CLEAR EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE POSTING NUMEROUS POSTS EITHER FALSE OR TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. IT IS SAD THAT THE ANTI-ISRAEL SIDE OF THIS DEBATE CANNOT SEEM TO FOCUS ON THE REAL THINGS HAPPENING, INSTEAD CHOOSING TO FOCUS ON THE BS.
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orion wrote:
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Now that I have shown your quotes to be false you can stop making those claims and the one above mentioning the quotes.

THE QUOTE ABOVE IS FALSE IT IS MISSING HALF SENTENCES, BAD TRANSLATION AND TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT.

He was not claiming the Arab villages were there at the time only that at one point in time the land was spotted with Arab villages.

Don't try and twist my words. Have you even gone to the links I provided. They give enough examples of his lies and distortions so that he can not be taken serious in the factual sense.

Netanyahu is more moderate than most Israeli leaders in history. Rabin said no to a Palestinians state, he refused to cede the Jordan Valley, Jewish towns in WB and Jerusalem.
Netanyahu carried on the Oslo Accord at the end of the 90's gave the Palestinians control of numerous cities and regions. He signed the Rose Garden Agreement and a couple of others. Netanyahu was the first Israeli leader to freeze settlement building and restrict Jewish building in Jerusalem which is at its essence anti-Semitic. He refused to enter Gaza last battle after numerous missile and cross border attacks, he freed Palestinian terrorists to release Shalit. He was also the first leader to free Israeli Arab terrorists by Palestinian request. He has probably done more than any other leader in the past few decades but you are too brainwashed by the media and hate sites to accept this reality.

Where is Israel stealing more land? I AM STILL WAITING FOR ANY EVIDENCE FROM YOU OR ANYONE ELSE THAT FIRSTLY THE PALESTINIANS AS A NATION OWN THIS LAND AND SECONDLY THAT PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS OWN THE LAND. The fact is that large majority of the land built on by Jews in the WB is owned by Jews. The Supreme Court orders the destruction of the rest regularly. Maybe you should focus on the Palestinian and Arab building on the land illegally by the 10,000's.

There have not been new settlements built for years already. Another lie from you.

I never harped about the Nazis you have brought it up to use the word Nazi against me as you have nothing viable to answer.

NAME ONE PALESTINIAN LEADER WHO ISRAEL CAN NEGOTIATE WITH?
NAME ONE PALESTINIAN LEADER WHO CALLS FOR PEACE WITH ISRAEL IN ARABIC?
NAME ONE AREA OF PALESTINIAN SOCIETY WHICH DOESN'T INCITE HATRED AGAINST ISRAEL AND OTHER RELIGIONS?
NAME ONE THING THE PALESTINIANS HAVE EVER DONE FOR PEACE?
NAME ANY LEGAL DOCUMENT WHICH GIVES THE PALESTINIANS AS A NATION THE RIGHT TO THE LAND?

The fact is you are ignoring history. The Palestine Arabs were massacring Jews on the land for hundreds of years. They increased their attacks from 1921. The PLO was created to destroy Israel and not to create a Palestinian State, read the PLO Charter 1964. The PLO Phased Plan from the 1970's is a step by step guide to how they will destroy Israel. and ALL PALESTINIAN CHARTERS CALL TO DESTROY ISRAEL AND ARMED RESISTANCE.

The point is this hatred and barbarism began long before Israel.

The green line is an armistice line with no legal or historic basis. Read the Jordan-Israel armistice agreement which supports my fact.

Who should the Golan go to?? Assad?Jihadists? The Golan was part of the Mandate for Palestine and should have been part of Israel in the first place. Syria should have thought twice before using the Golan as a missile launching pad.

The old city was Jerusalem until 1840's when Jews started to return in numbers. E.Jerusalem is only Arab today because the Jews were evicted in 1948 and their property was stolen by Jordan and international orgs to Palestinians. Also "E.Jerusalem" includes parts of the South, North also.

Israel Jews are from many races, and Israels population includes 25% non-Jews including Arabs, Beduins, Druze with the same rights as Israeli Jews.

So your last comment basically calls for the destruction of Israel you are asking Israel to destroy itself????

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Why do Jews hold their head under water, thinking liquid is air.?.
Because it's better to drown than to stop pretending.
Saudi has got a lot of money tied up in Jew alliances, so some in Arabia want to end up religion.
And join up with the Jew.
Only trouble is , metaphysical event will make it go the other way.
Now do you understand why Jew like to practice holding their breath ?.
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isnt that your uncle... jew hater ?
Putin hates muslims more than jews, despite this retards opinion...... go Putin...
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dear old fool..

It's u who hates Jews, because u r an anti-Semitic whose bigotry and hatefillness for Arabs is written and well documented in your racist postings.

Jews and Arabs are the same people with different ideology, and jews are more stiff-neck people that are closely related to Satan's pagans

In other words. you're an anti-semitic ho, necause when u are posting u hate crimes against Arabs, what u are really saying is that u hate jews too.
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Gilad Atzmon — gilad.co.uk Oct 23, 2013

For many years we have been hearing about the heroic Jewish involvement in the Civil Rights Movement, we have also learned (from Jewish progressives) about Jewish ‘caring for the Other’, for ‘justice’ and for ‘equality’. How then, do we explain the clear discrepancy between the clear racism of the Jewish state and this Jewish ethical impulse? Furthermore, how can we explain the fact that Jewish Diaspora political institutions are amongst the leading advocates of pro-immigration policies yet, Israel. as MK Ben Ari states, is “not an immigration state”- it is actually an anti-immigration apparatus.

Here, we detect a clear discrepancy between the Jewish Diaspora phantasmic, progressive mantra which attributes humanist and universal ethics to Jewish politics, and the reality of the Jewish state that is, itself, racist to the bone.
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cartOOni wrote:
Go IDF.... fcuk palishitians and the rest of the islamic scummery on the planet...
and that includes that FEMA beggar woody... aka Stewpidass dipsh!t and Ramboned and the Port Jeffersh!ts lead by their nutwad, Sybil Blightened....... and lastly the petesh!tted blight that gets beat up by Jews and EDL on the streets of LondonStan...
Don't you think maybe that your name should be Cartlooni? You seem to have just come out of the bin. LOL
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Now that I have shown your quotes to be false you can stop making those claims and the one above mentioning the quotes.
THE QUOTE ABOVE IS FALSE IT IS MISSING HALF SENTENCES, BAD TRANSLATION AND TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT.
He was not claiming the Arab villages were there at the time only that at one point in time the land was spotted with Arab villages.
Don't try
You might be correct, however we are still left with million of Palestinian Arabs who were pushed out of what is today Israel. They were pushed out by Jewish converts whose ancestors never came from the region . How are you going to solve that?
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<quoted text>You might be correct, however we are still left with million of Palestinian Arabs who were pushed out of what is today Israel. They were pushed out by Jewish converts whose ancestors never came from the region . How are you going to solve that?
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.......well said!

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The Yanks want to walk away and come Bach when Japan is again militarized and armed to the teeth.
If Israel is still there then God would not exist.
But how then do you account for the metaphysical event , the one under the carpet.
You know the resurrection of the Talmud Jesus , what the fu ck is going to become of me ?.
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Palestinian farmers will always be the native people of the land God ordained as "Milk and Honey".

And no matter what these jewish squatting conniving criminals say, the fact and truth remains that israeli jews are illegal aliens from Europes ghettos and are a blight on human's history/. They'll always be vile filthy liars who are a cult of "converts" that made believe they were native to a land in Palestine and had lineage to the 12 Tribes and the House of Israel.

These are all lies that the brain dead fanitical Christian rights feed on and want their followers to believe in these devilish critters. Perfect exampl;e of this charade is John Hagee and his twisted followers who fronts for zionism under God's name of chosen people and we dare not mention that they are John Hagee's occultist morons.

Our hearts go out to the great German people who fell victims to Jewish Fables. Look up Titus: 1-(10-14) and there's where u'll see and find out the Trurh about these evil creatures from the darkside of life, called hell.

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

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There would have been no requirement for 'Civil Rights' if the Jews d of course death in the Americas and Europe.
How are things in your hovel, little man? Are your windows blacked out? If not, you may want to do that.

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How strange ... threats from a Jew confronted with truth. But then, no, not strange at all. Keep intimidating Fanny: More and more material of 'evidence' AND 'material evidence' against the Jew.
The truth is that you are writhing with bitterness, hatred and repulsive halitosis. Obsessed, fixated, mentally ill and unemployed. How sad for you. But that is why they censor, record and watch you.
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More lies and smoke screens from the self-appointed NUTJOB ... the Jew here who stands on a soapbox in Tel An Evil imploring the believing fools assembled that sea water is really white wine. The sad thing of course being the fool actually believes his own bullshit.
You are an easy person to answer as you don't write anything legible. If you name something, anything I have said which is a lie go ahead, otherwise STFU you stupid hater. Maybe you should read your own posts and direct them at yourself. It can give you some insight of your lack of credible information on this subject

I can never understand how people are coming on here and speaking about a subject they obviously know nothing about apart from maybe the odd Stormfront or Veterans Today opinion piece.

As I wrote last post sad that when asking for evidence you just go on another round of babbling.
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orion wrote:
<quoted text>You might be correct, however we are still left with million of Palestinian Arabs who were pushed out of what is today Israel. They were pushed out by Jewish converts whose ancestors never came from the region . How are you going to solve that?
I usually am correct on this subject because I have actually studied it academically and not based on random internet reports.

Another myth you are propagating. Less Arabs left the land than Jews were kicked out of surrounding countries. What about the nearly 1,000,000 Jews who were kicked out of the surrounding countries with all their possessions stolen amounting to Billions?
It can be argued but a large amount of Arabs on the land left without seeing a Jew and the majority didn't own the land they resided or worked on. They were renting it so it wasn't theirs in the first place.

It was the local Arab population some who had also just arrived on the land who carried out hundreds of massacres against Jewish civilians throughout the 1920's 30's and 40's. They started the war and lost. They pushed out all the Jews from Gaza, WB and much of Jerusalem in the 1940's, why no mention of that.

You keep trying to push this Jewish convert myth when the only basis you have for it is a study done by someone who admitted they had a pre-concieved conclusion before they began. If Jews are real Jews would you have a problem with Israel? I believe you would so what the difference? The majority of Israeli Jews came from the region or their parents did. A small majority but one non-the-less.

Not sure how you can ask Israel to solve the problem when the Palestinians don't want it solved unless it involves killing Jews and destroying Israel.

Can you name one Palestinian leader Israel can actually negotiate with?
One Palestinian leader who calls for peace in Arabic?
One part of Palestinians society which doesn't incite hatred and violence?
One thing the Palestinians have ever done for peace?
One legally binding document which gives the Palestinians as a nation the right to the land.
Any evidence the land is owned by Palestinians?
Any evidence of a Palestinians nation before Arafat and CO? Arafat was born in Egypt.
One document the Palestinians have signed and followed through on?

Basically I like most Israeli believe that the Palestinians should have their own autonomy as is written in the Mandate and Oslo Accord. They got most of this autonomy in 2000 but refused to negotiate the end of the conflict as this would mean accepting Israel and they can't do this. The problem is as you can see with the questions above is that the WHOLE of Palestinians society is built to target Israel militarily, politically, economically, and so on. They are not interested in peace and you can see this by their own polls. Even those who agree to the two state solution only see it as a stepping stone to the complete destruction of Israel. I know you have tried hard to ignore what I have said but this is all the reality here. I agree that people have rights and the Palestinians should have at the least basic rights but their own leaders are f$%king them and they refuse to live in peace.

Would you make peace with an entity who calls for the destruction of your country, fires missile at your cities, uses anything given o them to target you, refuses to negotiate anything, builds their whole society to attack your and so on.

enough blabbering be well and would be nice to hear answers to the questions above as I have not been given one here over a long period even once.
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For Palestinians, the other enemy is their own leadership

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/for...

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How strange ... threats from a Jew confronted with truth. But then, no, not strange at all. Keep intimidating Fanny: More and more material of 'evidence' AND 'material evidence' against the Jew.
Your feeble knowledge is drawn from that stupid 'Elders of Zion' piece of crap, little man. No wonder you're being closely watched.

Having troubles sleeping again?
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I don't believe you have ever given any evidence to back up your claims. This makes sense as most of what you say seems to be lies.

The African tribes sold their own people to the Whites.
Muslims enslaved 150million mostly African but also European.
Jews just like everyone else was involved in this horrific trade. Interestingly enough you make no mention of the 10's of millions of slaves around the world today mostly by Muslims.

GIVE ANY REAL EVIDENCE OBAMA IS SURROUNDED BY ZIONISTS.

Lets see:-

Secretary of State - Kerry: Blames Israeli conflict for many ills in the world even outside the region. Calls for Israel to retreat and also pull out of the Golan (wonder what that would have led to with a Syrian Civil war reaching Israel), he was a supporter of Assad the genocidal leader, He compared those killed in the Boston bombing to the Jihadis killed on the Maamara, he was one of only 25 senators who refused to urge the European Union to designate Hezbollah a terrorist organization, he was one of only 21 senators not to oppose aid to and contacts with PA figures who “do not explicitly and unequivocally recognize Israel’s right to exist, renounce terror, and accept previous agreements.” He refuses to ask the Palestinians to do anything while pushing Israel to release 120 murderers in good will,

Secretary of Defense - Hagel: Oppossed sanctions on Iran. Called for direct talks with Hamas whose own charter calls to kill Jews and Hizballah who have a similar agenda but are less open about it. He is an Arabist. He blamed Israel for Palestinian terrorism during the Oslo Accord at the end of the 90's.

CIA director - Brennan: Build up "moderate' elements in Hizballah, calls Jerusalem Al-Quds, refuses to acknowledge Islamic Terrorism as a Muslim problem. Considers Hizballah moderate and against targeting Iran in any way it seems,

National Security Adviser - Suzan Rice: Claims Israeli settlement activity eroding hope for peace and stability in the region while ignoring Irans election to the UN Women's Commission, and has a history of supporting dictators.

US Amb to UN - Power: First head of the President’s Atrocities Prevention Board silent on the violence in Syria and in South Sudan, but suggested that the US should send troops to invade Israel to impose a two-state solution.

President: Could go on for hours but will be brief. He forced Israel to stop building for Jews in Jerusalem for 9 months which is a ANTI-SEMITIC order. He called to pull back to the 1967 lines which is not secure border nor has a legal basis to it. He forced Israel to apologize to the Jihadist Erdogan for sending his Jihadis to invade Israel by sea,
Obama has a history of growing up with some of the biggest extremists around. Wright, Farakhan, Ayers, Khalidi, Said and so on. Many are some of the biggest Israel haters around.

He visited countries throughout the world but not Israel until lately. He forbid Israel to attack Iran while betraying all regional allies on this subject. Refused to close PLO office in Washington due to the Palestinians going to the UN which is against any agreement ever signed with Israel.
Basically there is not much which makes Obama an Israel supporter apart from maybe supporting Israels right to exist. Congress and Senate even sent him a letter, the only time in history, to complain about his hostility towards Israel.

He supported Muslim Brotherhood even giving them $B in weapons when Morsi calls Jews apes and pigs, Jihadis throughout the region, has been more extreme with negotiations than Abbas was against Israel,

So on the contrary he was hostile to Israel until around the time he became a known figure in the national campaign and suddenly he began lying about his views on Israel until after the elections of course.

What i have written is only the tip of the iceberg but since i doubt you have an informed rebuttal it has made my point. didn't mention Indyk.
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