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Voluntarist

United States

#52450 May 15, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I try to cite only generally accepted credible sources. The NYTimes has their ups and downs, but their biggest transgression to date (the run-up to the Iraq war) was a sin of ommission leading to bias, which is a RADICALLY different animal than the Alex Jones stuff that is posted daily, and one that has be publicly addressed. OTOH Alex Jones routinely does not use reputably acceptable sources, and many of the stories are not independently corroborated.
As of my other criticism of you....often you just post one liners and talking points that really dont address the issue at hand (usually because you refuse to read the fundamental discussion).
That's a critique of IRRELEVANCE more than an attack on the validity of the source.
Think about this.
Yes and salon which you frequently cite is never known to be bias.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52451 May 15, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
....There are still women that I have know as friends for years that I still want to shtup - not to worry
Good. Glad to hear it.

Healthy and normal.

That goes for Huggy too - only with his men friends.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52452 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh no my friend, you believe in aggression.
You believe in not paying your bills and
special treatment.

You want to drive on my roads, send your kids
to our schools, let our military defend your way of life -
and NOT PAY FOR IT.

We call that a deadbeat.

What say you?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52453 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and salon which you frequently cite is never known to be bias.
You believe the quotes from Bachmann were false?

Do you agree with her?
Voluntarist

United States

#52454 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Horeshxt:
Sixteenth Amendment ratification arguments have been rejected in every court case where they have been raised and have been identified as legally frivolous.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_Si...
ps....Who's Bill Benson? And since when do you care about physical evidence?(Think: climate change, 9/11)
This is just another case where there is documentary proof and people reject it because "the courts have rejected it".

That doesn't mean it isn't true , that just means some politicians in robes are running interference for the system.

And if you go back to when the amendment was ratified, the wording that was rejected was stunning. The vague wording in the sixteenth amendment seems to have been picked on purpose.
Voluntarist

United States

#52455 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Horeshxt:
Sixteenth Amendment ratification arguments have been rejected in every court case where they have been raised and have been identified as legally frivolous.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_Si...
ps....Who's Bill Benson? And since when do you care about physical evidence?(Think: climate change, 9/11)
After investigating the history of the 16th Amendment, the following
defects were found in the ratification of the Income Tax Amendment
by the forty-eight states then existing, three-fourths of which (thirty-
six) were needed to ratify it:
1. Not ratified by state legislature and so reported
2. Not ratified by state legislature, but reported as ratified
3. Missing or incomplete evidence of ratification, but reported as ratified
4. Failure of Governor or other official to sign, although required by State
Constitution
5. Other violation of State Constitution in ratification process
6. Other procedural irregularity making ratification doubtful
7. Approval, but with change in wording, accepted as ratification of
original version
8. Approval, but with change in spelling, accepted as ratification of
original version
9. Approval, but with change in capitalization, accepted as ratification of
original version
10. Approval, but with change in punctuation, accepted as ratification of
original version

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/defects.asp...
Voluntarist

United States

#52456 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
You believe in not paying your bills and
special treatment.
You want to drive on my roads, send your kids
to our schools, let our military defend your way of life -
and NOT PAY FOR IT.
We call that a deadbeat.
What say you?
You believe in aggression don't try to pretend that you don't.
I don't have a problem with services provided, it's in the manner that they are paid for.

You shouldn't have to pay foe my kids education no more than I should pay for yours.

There is a gas tax that pays for roads, but your politicians can't seem to stop putting their hands in the cookie jar.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52458 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
This is just another case where there is documentary proof and people reject it because "the courts have rejected it".
That doesn't mean it isn't true , that just means some politicians in robes are running interference for the system.
And if you go back to when the amendment was ratified, the wording that was rejected was stunning. The vague wording in the sixteenth amendment seems to have been picked on purpose.
By that logic, you probably think abortion is still illegal.

Roe vs Wade was just some guys in robes making stuff up?

Do you know it was the Supreme Court that decided the 2nd Amendment applied to everyone, not just militias (as stated in the Constitution)?:

"Nor is the right involved in this discussion less comprehensive or valuable: "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State.."

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#52459 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I posted blindly.
You had it covered.
You can't make this stuff up.
These people are truly nuts.
LOL on the dupe post- Salon is great, isnt it? I like Slate too.

It is relevant to our discussion. Its a mindset, not a fact grounded activity. Probably explains Stalin's and Mao's purges (and a few others). Left alone in a room, they would eat each other.
Voluntarist

United States

#52460 May 15, 2013
From your article;
Meanwhile, Alex Jones is dropping the ball almost entirely. Long
before anyone paid attention to him, Jones was harassing the
Bilderberg Group , an annual meeting of 140 prominent American
and Europeans that conspiracy theorists have long asserted is the
kind of politburo of the global deep state. Jones had a big “scoop”
this week on the Bilderberg, reporting that they’re “merging with
Google under the stewardship of Google CEO Eric Schmidt, a
regular Bilderberg attendee.”
As it turns out, Both Google and Bilderberg are holding meetings
within days of each other at The Grove Hotel in the UK, and “we
were able to confirm in conversations with hotel managers and
others that the Grove is now a central base for Google’s agenda to
control the global political and technological landscape.”
For years and I mean years the media claimed that bilderberg didn't exist, that it was a conspiracy theory.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#52461 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and salon which you frequently cite is never known to be bias.
I usually post Salon more for their opinion and analysis than for their factual works. Unlike you, I can differentiate.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52462 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
After investigating the history of the 16th Amendment, the following
defects were found in the ratification of the Income Tax Amendment
by the forty-eight states then existing, three-fourths of which (thirty-
six) were needed to ratify it:
1. Not ratified by state legislature and so reported
2. Not ratified by state legislature, but reported as ratified
3. Missing or incomplete evidence of ratification, but reported as ratified
4. Failure of Governor or other official to sign, although required by State
Constitution
5. Other violation of State Constitution in ratification process
6. Other procedural irregularity making ratification doubtful
7. Approval, but with change in wording, accepted as ratification of
original version
8. Approval, but with change in spelling, accepted as ratification of
original version
9. Approval, but with change in capitalization, accepted as ratification of
original version
10. Approval, but with change in punctuation, accepted as ratification of
original version
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/defects.asp...
Not to repeat myself, but:

Sixteenth Amendment ratification arguments have been rejected in every court case where they have been raised and have been identified as legally frivolous.[3]

All done.

Next...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#52463 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
This is just another case where there is documentary proof and people reject it because "the courts have rejected it".
That doesn't mean it isn't true , that just means some politicians in robes are running interference for the system.
And if you go back to when the amendment was ratified, the wording that was rejected was stunning. The vague wording in the sixteenth amendment seems to have been picked on purpose.
The courts interpret the law. Noone else is tasked with this. Certainly not you.

If you dont recognize the courts, besides from being UnAmerican, you are a certified member of the fringe. Therefore, you have no standing to discuss anything of legal import.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52464 May 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
You believe in aggression don't try to pretend that you don't.
I don't have a problem with services provided, it's in the manner that they are paid for.
You shouldn't have to pay foe my kids education no more than I should pay for yours.
There is a gas tax that pays for roads, but your politicians can't seem to stop putting their hands in the cookie jar.
Aggression has its place.

It's not a matter of "believing in" it like a religion. Like love, hate, fear - it's part of the human experience.

Not too many people can afford brain surgery (for example) so we all pay a little bit every month so that the funds are there when we need them. You would call this collectivism. I call it something that seems to work.

You don't mind paying the gas tax? Why or why not?

Use taxes are ok?

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#52465 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Aggression has its place.

It's not a matter of "believing in" it like a religion. Like love, hate, fear - it's part of the human experience.

Not too many people can afford brain surgery (for example) so we all pay a little bit every month so that the funds are there when we need them. You would call this collectivism. I call it something that seems to work.

You don't mind paying the gas tax? Why or why not?

Use taxes are ok?
Illogical and incoherent reply.

Use the little intelligence you have in a more productive way.

OK, Mon?

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#52466 May 15, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

The courts interpret the law.
You're talking as if the laws framed by the judiciary are infallible or the last word on truth and justice or that the dispensation of justice is perfect.

Neither are the laws perfect nor is the working of the courts perfect.

So, anyone, even a fool like Voluntarist, can question the loopholes that he spots in the judicial framework.

Your replies are silly.

Be more rational and think deeper.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#52467 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

Sixteenth Amendment ratification arguments have been rejected in every court case where they have been raised and have been identified as legally frivolous.
Legally frivolous?

LOL.

Yes, that's true only within the framework of the existing laws that however leaves much unsaid and that're far from comprehensive, far from being unprejudiced and far from perfect.

There's scope for better interpretation and application of existing laws and there is a need to frame better laws and to do away with redundant and flawed laws and there is also a need to review disputed judicial pronouncements.

Besides, pressure applied on the judiciary from various lobbies with vested interests, questionable appointment of judges to top judicial bodies ought to be reviewed and the independence of the judiciary from the legislature and executive should be ensured.

The justice systems in the world are far from perfect.

Since: May 13

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#52468 May 15, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Unlike you, I can differentiate.
Highly questionable claim.

Since: May 13

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#52469 May 15, 2013
Oh, yawn.

Since: May 13

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#52470 May 15, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

"Support the warrior, if not the war."
Idiot.

A war cannot be fought in the absence of warriors.

So, by supporting a warrior you're indirectly supporting war.

LOL.

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