Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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former res

Broomall, PA

#48065 Jan 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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The lady doth protest too much, me thinks
No doubt he dances around to show tunes in his shanty.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#48066 Jan 28, 2013
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-47



The Strange Case of HMZA’S Daughter :

Prologue:

Before Islam came to Arabs, the girl child was a neglected in the Arab society. She was looked down and at many times, she was buried at the time of death. If she grew up, she had no right in property of Father, or husband.

When the news of birth of a girl child was brought to the parents, their faces grew large, Quran has drawn this picture in beautiful words like below:

“When news is brought to one of them of (the birth of a) female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! With shame does he hide himself from the people, because of the bad news he has had! Shall he retain it on (sustenance and) contempt or bury it in the dust? Ah! What an evil (choice) they decide on”(16:58-61)

Islam’ teaching on Girl Child:

From the very beginning Islam banned this hideous practice, condemning it in the strongest term. Prophet said that “if some one has two daughters or more and he takes care of them and does not give any favorable treatment to boys over them and then marries them off, he shall enter the paradise” Islam gave property and trading rights to women, she was declared as a legal person.

Prophet advised his followers to be kind to their daughters and wives and mothers and sisters. So much so that lot of women improved beyond any imagination in such a short time.

The incident given below happened in year 7 AH, approximately 20 years after prophet had started preaching his mission.

HAMZA and his daughter:

HAMZA was the real uncle of prophet. He was only two years older than the prophet. He was also a suckle brother of prophet as both were given suckle by THUWAIBIYAH, a slave girl of ABU LAHAB. HAMZA accepted Islam in sixth or seventh year of prophet’s mission.

Story of his conversion and his tragic death has already been chronicled in this series earlier. HAMZA was martyred in the battle of OHUD that took place in year 3AH.

He left one daughter at the time of his death, but both mother and child lived in Makkah and the child’s age was between 6-7 years when this story took place.

Prophet’s entry to Makkah:

In year 6 AH prophet came to perform UMRAH, along with 1400 of his followers. He was prevented from doing so by Makkah people and ultimately a treaty was struck between Prophet and Makkah people. This treaty is called Treaty of HUDAIBIAH and is really a mile stone in the history of Islam.

As per terms of the treaty, prophet had to go back to Madina and he could come next year for UMRAH and would be allowed to stay for only 3 days in Makkah. So the prophet came to Makkah in year 7AH with the same 1400 followers, who were refused entry last year.

After performing UMRAH and end of three years, the prophet had mounted his camel to return to Madina, when the daughter of HAMZA came running, saying Uncle, Uncle, what about me?

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#48067 Jan 28, 2013
Three claimants for HAMZA ‘s daughter:

People saw the strange site that a few years ago, there was no claimant for a girl child, now three claimants stood to take custody of this Girl Child, they were Ali, Cousin of Prophet, JAAFAR, brother of Ali and ZAID, the adopted son of Prophet!!

The case came before prophet and he asked every claimant to present his logic:

A. Ali ‘s Case: Ali said, she is daughter of My uncle and she is my sister

B. JAFAR’ s Case: He said the same thing as Ali had said, and added her KHALA (sister of Child’s Mother) is my wife.

C. ZAID ‘s Case: He said that she is daughter of my brother (by Arab culture of adopted son being like real son).

Prophet decided in favor of ZAFAR saying “KHALA is like mother”(so it shall be in the best interest of the girl child). And he consoled Ali by saying “Ali is from me and I am from Ali) and he consoled ZAID by saying “He is like me in conduct”.

What a strange reversal of Arab society in mere 20 years for a Girl child!!

Don’t you think?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/122191862

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#48068 Jan 28, 2013
MUQ wrote:
What a strange reversal of Arab society in mere 20 years for a Girl child!!
Don’t you think?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/122191862
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
But how was she treated once she was taken in?

"In an attack drawing widespread condemnation, a lone Taliban gunman today approached a crowded school bus in Pakistan's once-volatile Swat region and opened fire. His target: A 14-year-old girl who'd campaigned against the Taliban for the right to go to school.

Television footage showed Malala Yousafzai lying on a stretcher and being airlifted to a military hospital in Peshawar. The gunman approached the bus and asked whether anyone could identify Malala, according to local police.

When one of her schoolmates singled out the teen, the gunman shot her twice, including once in the head. He also shot the girl who identified Malala before fleeing.

Malala is in serious condition, while the other girl's condition is unknown.

A Taliban spokesman has claimed responsibility, referring to her campaign for the right to go to school an "obscenity.

"This was a new chapter of obscenity, and we have to finish this chapter," Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan said in a statement sent to The Associated Press. "We have carried out this attack." "
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#48070 Jan 29, 2013
Eric wrote:
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But how was she treated once she was taken in?
"In an attack drawing widespread condemnation, a lone Taliban gunman today approached a crowded school bus in Pakistan's once-volatile Swat region and opened fire. His target: A 14-year-old girl who'd campaigned against the Taliban for the right to go to school.
Television footage showed Malala Yousafzai lying on a stretcher and being airlifted to a military hospital in Peshawar. The gunman approached the bus and asked whether anyone could identify Malala, according to local police.
When one of her schoolmates singled out the teen, the gunman shot her twice, including once in the head. He also shot the girl who identified Malala before fleeing.
Malala is in serious condition, while the other girl's condition is unknown.
A Taliban spokesman has claimed responsibility, referring to her campaign for the right to go to school an "obscenity.
"This was a new chapter of obscenity, and we have to finish this chapter," Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan said in a statement sent to The Associated Press. "We have carried out this attack." "
Hamza's daughter was taken care of fully and she grew up and was married to suitable husband.

I fail to see what is the "relation" between Hamza's daughter and the "News clip" you posted.

Another example of "Complex Personality" that you have?

What is your insinuation?
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#48071 Jan 29, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hamza's daughter was taken care of fully and she grew up and was married to suitable husband.
I fail to see what is the "relation" between Hamza's daughter and the "News clip" you posted.
Another example of "Complex Personality" that you have?
What is your insinuation?
Are you being obtuse or what?

Trying to kill a 14 year old girl because she wanted to go to school. Barbaric.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#48072 Jan 29, 2013
former res wrote:
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No doubt he dances around to show tunes in his shanty.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m08uy32ABj1...
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48074 Jan 29, 2013
NAJIS OR IMPURE ENTITIES IN ISLAM:

The Quran says that mushriks or polytheists and kafirs or infidels are najis (impure).

Is this logical?

Why is a mushrik or a kafir najis?

Is it because they don't genuflect before the sky-god of Islam who creates from nothing and have their own version of faith.

The following ten things are essentially najis, according to Muhammad:

1) Urine

2) Faeces

3) Semen

4) Dead body

5) Blood

6) Dog

7) Pig

8) Kafir/Infidel

9) Alcoholic liquors

10) The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

We see that the entire list of najis items is linked to external purity and besides here, too, many items listed as impure like blood, dogs and semen are far from being impure.

Surprisingly, despite calling fire impure since this natural element is equated with satan or hell fire, Muhammad failed to list fire an impure thing.

How can fire be satanic since without fire/heat element, life on earth would not have arisen?

If blood or semen is impure then, well, we'll have to do away with these and see the human race perish.

A Muslim offspring born of the semen of his/her father would by this logic be impure in his very constitution despite professing faith in Allah.

If semen is impure, why not sperm or ovum?

If blood is impure then it is a most significant tissue in the body and serves as a critical carrier of dissolved gases, heat and nutrients without which the body would die. If blood is not transfused to a patient who's lost a large volume of blood due to excessive bleeding he's sure to die.

Why're dogs impure? Is it because they bark? LOL.

Muhammad was an idiot.

The real test of impurity - instead of using the misleading word "impure", it'll make better sense to use the word "perversion" or a departure from the normal and presence of damaging/abnormal traits.

Thus, perversions include a person given to filthy habits like necrophilia; rapists; terrorists; murderers; thieves; those born of incestuous/hypogamous birth; possessed people; mentally unstable persons and the like.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#48075 Jan 29, 2013
JOEL wrote:
NAJIS OR IMPURE ENTITIES IN ISLAM:

The real test of impurity - instead of using the misleading word "impure", it'll make better sense to use the word "perversion" or a departure from the normal and presence of damaging/abnormal traits.
Thats really funny. And yet you use the incorrect word "impure" when citing the Jewish dietary laws.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#48076 Jan 29, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Thus, perversions include a person given to filthy habits like necrophilia; rapists; terrorists; murderers; thieves; those born of incestuous/hypogamous birth; possessed people; mentally unstable persons and the like.
Do you ever worry you that you might cast your net a bit too wide?
former res

Broomall, PA

#48079 Jan 29, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
A real flamer. Just as I thought.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#48081 Jan 29, 2013
former res wrote:
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A real flamer. Just as I thought.
Yeah, but muscles to die for!
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48082 Jan 29, 2013
Ignorance is NOT bliss!

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#48083 Jan 29, 2013
definitely not.

Bliss is an emotional state that is characterized by perfect happiness (feelings of enjoyment, pleasure, and satisfaction).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss

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#48084 Jan 29, 2013
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).[1]

The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts.

Ignoramus is commonly used in the US, the UK, and Ireland as a term for someone who is willfully ignorant.

Ignorance is distinguished from stupidity, although both can lead to "unwise" acts.

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#48086 Jan 29, 2013
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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48087 Jan 29, 2013
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!

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#48089 Jan 29, 2013
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that’s even remotely true!
(Homer Simpson)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48090 Jan 29, 2013
BLISS:

Bliss is not an emotional state but is a state of delight of the pure consciousness that is felt or experienced by the individual's merged consciousness in the bliss of the manifested pure consciousness. The bliss of the pure consciousness is experienced when the individualized consciousness, by a supreme yoga, completely rises out of the Cosmic Ignorance and as such frees itself of the restrictions of the causal laws and the unregenerate phenomena of the planes of the lower manifestation. The Bliss of the Pure Consciousness in manifestation is a separate plane of existence that stands high above the planes of supermind, overmind, intuition mind, illumined, higher mind, higher vital, lower vital, subtle physical and gross physical and if made to descend into the lower planes it may be reflected in modified form in the supramental, mental, emotional and physical states of being.

Yeah!
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48091 Jan 29, 2013
A fact may not be a truth but a truth is always a fact!

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