Piro-Manso-Tiwa Tribe celebrates Guad...

Piro-Manso-Tiwa Tribe celebrates Guadalupe Feast Day

There are 74 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Dec 12, 2008, titled Piro-Manso-Tiwa Tribe celebrates Guadalupe Feast Day. In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

Dancers from the Piro-Manso-Tiwa Tribe of the Guadalupe Pueblo of Las Cruces perform Friday outside of St.

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Proud of the truth

Stanford, CA

#61 Jan 27, 2011
Being proud to be a Tiwa is fine, even if it is really 1/64 or your great great grandfather/grandmother was actually an Indian, but lying to NMSU, the City of Las Cruces, the Sun News, St. Genevieve's, and all the people in town about being a "tribe" is something else.

You cant invent a tribe that started in 1998. That's not a tribe, that's a club or dance group, or non profit corporation, not an Indian Nation.
Cord0031Greg Cordoba

United States

#63 May 22, 2011
It seems as though those who are worried about other tribes are lacking in in their own tribe's worth. It as though a tribe must get permission from the enemy to be officially Native. Sound like bureaucratic bull shit to me. It is a popularity contest, where family feuds are the game. Indians are the demise of themselves because they can't agree on a single thing. My wife is from this tribe and she has her card, but knows nothing of her tribe. Not even this inner conflict. Is she an indian. Probably not. I think it is a shame. People are trying to preserve their identities while others seek to dismantle it. Sounds like what non natives have been doing since the battle for the Americas began.
All Lies

Stanford, CA

#64 Jul 27, 2011
It's not an inner conflict.

Some people who were never involved with the tribe before 1990s got together and slightly changed the name of the real tribe and formed their own rump group. That way they can get donations and speaking fees and dancing fees from organizations in Las Cruces. It's a scam; these people are delusional.

It's also about right and wrong, and identity theft and stealing. Just because some tells a lie over and over again, even if they sound angry or sincere or like to play the victim, doesnt make it true.

Educate yourself.

Here are the links to the BIA information, look at New Mexico petitions; this group started in 2002, they are phony; it's a traveling dance troupe, not an Indian tribe.

http://www.bia.gov/idc/groups/xofa/documents/...

http://www.bia.gov/idc/groups/xofa/documents/...
mark kepler

United States

#65 Apr 19, 2012
The feds aren't government they're bankers. "Federal reserve", they're also not an authority on who's who, and who's not who they say they are. Peace to the Mansos. Everyone find peace within yourselves.
El Chuco

United States

#66 May 20, 2012
the people who say the Indians from Tortugas are fake, are the same morons who think Mexicans are Spanish lol
MAMA

South Pasadena, CA

#67 Aug 19, 2012
I HOPE YOU ARE A MORE PEACEFUL PIRO MANSO TIWA THAN MY STEPFATHER (NARCISO ERES) WHO IS HAILED AS A HERO, WHEN IN LIFE HE WAS AN ABUSIVE, VIOLENT MAN TO MY MOTHER TIL HER DEATH, AND TO ALL HIS CHILDREN THROUGHOUT OUR LIVES. KEEP IT REAL
oldboy

United States

#68 Aug 21, 2012
They practice many ancient indigenous customs:

1. Tagging walls with "Puros Lokos"
2. Messing up the hydralics of old model Buicks
3. Watching Dallas Cowboys games while drinking Bud Light
4. Going to Pros Ranch Market
5. Beating the crap out of their "hynas"
oldboy

United States

#69 Aug 21, 2012
THE TRUTH SEEKER wrote:
*snicker
MS Edu
Masters in Education
Edumacated
*sneer
Anthropologist
Me...barely passed my GED. go figure. They are still heya heya's in my book. wannabe injuns... LOL
Masters= too dumb for a doctorate
oldboy

United States

#70 Aug 21, 2012
El Chuco wrote:
the people who say the Indians from Tortugas are fake, are the same morons who think Mexicans are Spanish lol
I've been to Madrid...and Barcelona.

Saw nothing but Vatos Locos in lowriders, smelled notthing but carne asada.

De veras.
George

Albuquerque, NM

#71 Aug 22, 2012
El Chuco wrote:
the people who say the Indians from Tortugas are fake, are the same morons who think Mexicans are Spanish lol
. Or like New Mexico mexicanos calling themselves spanish thinking the white folks will respect them.
MJ Madrid

Las Cruces, NM

#72 Feb 14, 2013
Native Blood wrote:
This is not a federally recognized tribe but a self proclaimed tribe. Hence a female governor. That will never happen on a native ameican traditional tribe.
You're the one who sounds like a wannabe. Ever hear of Wilma Mankiller or don't you recognize the Cherokee as "real Indians?"
Wilma Mankiller was the first woman elected principal chief of the Cherokee Nation. She works to improve the lives of Native Americans by helping them receive better education and health care and urges them to preserve and take pride in their traditions.
Read more: http://www.notablebiographies.com/Lo-Ma/Manki...
Istaqa

Las Cruces, NM

#73 Feb 14, 2013
Who is ANYONE to judge who is Native? Certainly NOT imbeciles like Bob or others who state they are "real Indians" while putting down the PMT.

I'm Manso through my grandmother and my grandfather was Ndee. I'm Native whether or not you agree or whether or not you like it.
The time is now

Las Cruces, NM

#75 Mar 9, 2016
The pueblo of Tortugas is entirely SEPARATE from the LAS CRUCES group now claiming federal recognition. They are using documents and history claiming to be residents and members. The Las Cruces Sun News has done nothing to help in this matter because of very poor investigating/reporting. The time to start exposing the truth has come and the lies and misrepresentations that have been made will be made known.
Suckonit

San Antonio, TX

#76 Mar 23, 2016
Now what.!!!?????? Tortugas Corporation are a bunch of thieves and phonies.....what are they so worried about? I guess if your grandparents were actually Native Americans and not Mexican immigrants and didnt steal the land and the tribal artifacts in the first place you would have nothing to worry about.

http://www.lcsun-news.com/story/news/local/20...

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