Are you a deadbeat? 47 Percent Are

Are you a deadbeat? 47 Percent Are

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FootIn Mouth

Bedford, MA

#1 Sep 18, 2012
Are you a deadbeat? 47 percent of Americans apparently are deadbeats that live off of the government. Retirees, social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, unemployment, etc.

Don't be offended, he's only stating the facts.
NOMOREYEARS

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Sep 18, 2012
Got to love the fact that he can stand up and
say that.

A very large number of people - most experts
agree that 40-47 percent are on the dole - most
having not earned there way there.

Of course the taxpayer rate is validated by
IRS numbers (which Maobama controls).

Of course, what audacity to call Nanny Staters
exactly that - freeloaders!

Look at the number of slugs that come from Mexico
with no investment in Social Security and get the
max amount available, medical care, housing and the list rolls on.

The reason Dumb as c-r-a-ps are irate is because that most of the slugbugs that are low income come
from the Dumb as C-r-a-p party - just saying!
footin mouth

Bedford, MA

#3 Sep 19, 2012
I think the # is high. He's including: social security, military, welfare, and others.

I'll assume that this includes: cops, military contract workers, city workers, etc

Just do away with it all and start over. Everyone makes up their job and either lives or dies.

It's a bit boneheaded to include all of those in the same bucket, but if Joseph Smith told this to Romney it must be true.

He was doing damage control and backpedaling. This I don't respect. If you are gonna say something, stick to it and be a man. I'm moving to the middle party. Gary Johnson for president.
Ex- El Paso Resident

Las Cruces, NM

#4 Sep 19, 2012
FootIn Mouth wrote:
Are you a deadbeat? 47 percent of Americans apparently are deadbeats that live off of the government. Retirees, social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, unemployment, etc.
Don't be offended, he's only stating the facts.
Disagree on a couple of points but for the most part he was correct.

1. Social Security and Medicare - Working people and their employers have paid this specific tax throughout their working life. In my opinion this is a paid for benefit. There area several problems with SS with the first being that where this was not intended to be a "full retirement" and only a supplement to another retirement many have made it their only retirement. People drawing benefits in the 1960s drew out 7 times more than they ever paid in. As population grows older (baby boomers) there are less people paying into the system than those takeing. Also people are living longer some benefits go on longer. I will never even get back what I paid in but I am entittled to something since I have paid in since I was 10 years old and working in the family business.

During Regan minor adjustments were made (and eveyone pitched a fit) to ther system including increase in age to draw (since folks were living longer for one thing)and that helped keep the system solvent for over 20 years. Now we have politicians that not only are not willing to make additional adjustments to keep the system operating but now push to get more on benefits (look at the numbers for those claiming disabilities and the very sharpe recent increase) that will make the system fail even sooner. I would rather see the needed adjustments as see the system survive than see it crash.

On top of that Congress and the President (during the LBJ years) decided to turn the SS trust fund into their piggy bank borrowing funds and issuing bonds to the trust fund. In other words we will tax future generations more to pay the bonds off SS holds so those same people we just taxed can get their SS payment.

Medicare same type of issues with factors including sky rocketing medical cost (something needed to be addressede but will only get worst under ACA) and fraud in the system. The Government has done a bad job with Medicare, medicaid and the VA medical system but they will get in right controlling all medical care in the US? Yea right!!!!

Now to the freebies.

Rich folks - Tax loop holes, subsisdies and low capital gains taxes. This needs to change. Mitt paying 15%, GE paying nothing (and even getting a tax credit back), Apple paying 15% and me paying 30% just does not seem right.

Poor folks - No skin in the game. Pass all bond issues and tax rasies because we get the benefit with no cost to us.

Welfare, food stamps, section 8 houseing, earned income credit, medicaid, etc. These are not "entittlements" but are plain and simple handouts. Big difference.

When you take the average income of the poor folks but include all these benefits they get in a calculation they are (in many cases) living better than middle class working folks.

Too many people riding the wagon and not enough pulling the wagon. At some point those pulling can no longer pull the wagon.

Also Mitt had one point right and Obama has it Wrong.

Obama - "We all belong to the Government"

Mitt - " The Government belongs to the people"

When the Government provides all your basic needs you really do belong to the Government.

Bowles Simpson commission had it right. Taxes have to increase and everything on the block for spending cuts (including restructuring of entittlement to sustain them) is what this country needs.
Ex- El Paso Resident

Las Cruces, NM

#5 Sep 19, 2012
footin mouth wrote:
I think the # is high. He's including: social security, military, welfare, and others.
I'll assume that this includes: cops, military contract workers, city workers, etc
Just do away with it all and start over. Everyone makes up their job and either lives or dies.
It's a bit boneheaded to include all of those in the same bucket, but if Joseph Smith told this to Romney it must be true.
He was doing damage control and backpedaling. This I don't respect. If you are gonna say something, stick to it and be a man. I'm moving to the middle party. Gary Johnson for president.
Johnson is the only recent New Mexico Governor that left the state with a surplus. He would be my pick for President if we want to get the US back where it really needs to be.

The last one, Bill Richardson, spent like a drunk sailor, doubled the state spending rate in 8 years and left us with billions in debt. Be carefull as he is now in your area and loves to spend taxpayer money.

Our current Governor, Martinez, is tring to dig us out of the hole Richardson left us in but is having to deal with a worthless state legislature that also loves to spend money.
footin mouth

Bedford, MA

#6 Sep 19, 2012
Well, I have to say that I am honestly disappointed in the Republican party for nominating a nitwit that cannot even beat a defeated Obama. They could have run any number of current liats that could have easily beat barry and they've failed.

Yesterdays foot in mouth insertion didn't help Romney at all. He's alienated himself from a large majority and basically written off a bunch of people cause he's too stupid to think before talking.

I am definitely going to vote for Gary Johnson.
footin mouth

Bedford, MA

#7 Sep 19, 2012
Romney wants to be the president for the 1 percenters or the rich and Obama wants to be the president for the poor. Looks like everyone has forgotten the middle class.

Whatever happened to being the president for the USA? The Great Dividers don't deserve to be president.
footin mouth

Bedford, MA

#8 Sep 19, 2012
1. Social Security and Medicare -
- agree 100 percent, except you should not be allowed to take out more than you put in
There area several problems with han they ever paid in.
- hence some of the big problems that the system is seeing
As population grows olde
- I seriously doubt that you paid in since you were 10, but I also worked since I can barely remember making peanuts and getting taxed ... Big problem is people living longer and longer costing more and more
During Regan
- I'd rather see the govt step away from social security and medicare, they are very bad at running businesses and they run em like they have infinite funds. Cutting must begin regardless of the pain. No pain no gain. I still don't agree w romney.
On top of th.
- you got it right here, none of these clowns have business running business and corruption and fraud are rampant in both systems and at all levels.
Now to the freebies.
- looks like at times even mitt might not have paid a thing and actually gotten govt tax credits that seriously offset his investments
s. Big difference.
-these things should be time limited for emergency only and of course, we need to take care of our old and handicapped, the problem is that everyone claims handicap and old
- poor people make about 7 dollars an hour, so this is about 15000 a year, cost odf living is consuming, hardly believe they live a life of luxury but barely survive. Benefits should be : 1st year, 75 percent of pverty, 2nd year 50 percent, 3rd (final year) 25 percent. No mas! This should have been enough time to get retrained and working.
- keep in mind that Bush made it possible for all of these people to not have to pay federal income tax, so this is not democrat or republican, but a dual party issue
- the people own the govt, but as of late and for many yrs, the govt has done as it wishes
Fixes:
- bring manufacturing back to usa, without this there is no fixing
- apply a flat 10-15 percent tax across the board, poor, social security, rich, no city, state or food taxes
- eliminate the IRS, waste of money
- eliminate unneeded govt contracts and redundant systems
- eliminate waste in govt and downsize govt ( police, military, civil servants, etc)
- limit social security payments in size and duration
- cut freebees (housing, etc) by 50 percent
- eliminate congress benefits and cut salaries in half
- legalize marijauna and tax at 75 percent we are losing out ontaxes
- legalize protitution and tax at 15 percent like everyone else, it is going on and putting head insand doesn't take it away
- impose large tarriffs on imports to equalize trade
- drop free trade
- cut funding for education by 50 percent, it's proven that money doesn't make better students
- cut prison funding by 75 percent, this is big business and is mega fraud
- drill american oil reserves and stop buying foreign oil
- eliminate the EPA
- make everyone pay back the TARP money
- reduce customs and bp by 50 percent, they are ineffective anyway
- reform immigration and remove bureaucracy
- eliminate military 20 and 30 year retirement as these guys retire at 38 and live to be 100, that's 62 yrs of paying, not sustainable, all other have to work til 68, so should they
- eliminate the penny and the nickel
- reduce college loaning to 50 percent of what it is, not everyone should be a college grad
NOMOREYEARS

Santa Fe, NM

#9 Sep 19, 2012
Fire the foodstamp President before it is too
late.

Are you better off today than you were four
years ago? NOT
footin mouth

Bedford, MA

#10 Sep 19, 2012
NOMOREYEARS wrote:
Fire the foodstamp President before it is too
late.
Are you better off today than you were four
years ago? NOT
I'm pulling for Gary Johnson. I don't like Mitt and the current one isn't delivering much. It's time to get Elephants and Asses out of the house of the boss. Isn't it ironic that the symbols of both sides are lazy animals with potential to do a lot but desire to do very little. Both require whips to get moving.

I'd hate to break the bad news, but we can't give obama credit for foodstamps, welfare or medicare or many of the other failed govt programs. This culture has been around a long time with everyone simply adding other things. He's right on par though, forced healthcare will keep him up with everyone else. Expect all companies to drop their healthcare programs for a fine. I'd rather pay a 1500 fine per employee than fund 12000 per year per family. If I were running a company.

I personally haven't been heavily affected either way.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#11 Sep 20, 2012
I think Romney was right. Reminded me of an Eagles song from way back, I guess nothing much ever does change.

Think Chicago teacher union/strike.

"Get Over It"

"I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their crooked little fingers at everybody else
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it ........"
footin mouth

Bedford, MA

#12 Sep 20, 2012
Not sure what your momma has to do with this ... The country is screwed up and falling fast with questionable leadership on both sides. If you don't like the whinning, don't read it. Pretty simple. It's kinda like that boobie bar that will never come to las cruces. If you don't want it, don't go there.

Fire both parties, they do very little other than take up space and breath good oxygen.
NOMOREYEARS

Santa Fe, NM

#13 Sep 20, 2012
No news break

Foodstamps started in 1964 - however every Dumb as c-r-ap
Prez since has increased the foodstamper numbers and made
it much easier to obtain this assistance.

In fact, Maobama has increased it the most fo anyone and to his
credit he has funded the Farm Bill to the maximum extent possible
with a full credit for Foodstamps.
footin mouth wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm pulling for Gary Johnson. I don't like Mitt and the current one isn't delivering much. It's time to get Elephants and Asses out of the house of the boss. Isn't it ironic that the symbols of both sides are lazy animals with potential to do a lot but desire to do very little. Both require whips to get moving.
I'd hate to break the bad news, but we can't give obama credit for foodstamps, welfare or medicare or many of the other failed govt programs. This culture has been around a long time with everyone simply adding other things. He's right on par though, forced healthcare will keep him up with everyone else. Expect all companies to drop their healthcare programs for a fine. I'd rather pay a 1500 fine per employee than fund 12000 per year per family. If I were running a company.
I personally haven't been heavily affected either way.

“ keep the loonies on the path.”

Since: Aug 10

Detroit

#14 Sep 21, 2012
NOBAMA !!!
just me

Las Cruces, NM

#15 Sep 21, 2012
footin mouth wrote:
... I'm moving to the middle party. Gary Johnson for president.
Hmm, IMHO the Libertatians in general (and GAry Johnson in particular) are hardly a "middle party." They're bascially Calvin Coolidge style laissez-faire Republicans. Although the typical Libertarian type I've talked with has a side issue in that they think various currently illegal "recreational substances" should be legalized, as source of additional government tax revenue.

A pox on _ALL_ their political houses. There's just too many rotten planks in their platforms.
footin mouth

Bedford, MA

#16 Sep 21, 2012
I didn't say the miDdle was perdfect. I am all for legalizing pot and prostitution. Both should be taxed heavily. Pot like cigarettes and alcohol. Whores like every other worker that must pay taxes.

A gigantic meteor has abetter chance of hitting the earth than the middle party winning. My issue is that I can't stand the other two. I'd vote for a rock if it was competing against Dumb and Dumbass. Nothing I hear from both of these guys makes me feel good for where the country is.

None of them have given specifics on how they will fix the country. For that matter, neither has the middle party. How do we let these guys get away with so much? As citizens, we need to hold these clowns accountable and we do not. Why is that?

Back to the middle and taxing pot and pros. We cannot simply stick our heads in the ground and pretend that people don't like sex and drugs. The fight on both of these items has been a colosal failure and is a big private business.

Legalize this crap and you relieve the taxpayer of the cost of: customs, dea, drug violence, many police, prisons, etc.

I don't care if the world gets high or wants to smoke themselves to death. Their lives, not mine. If ladies wanna f--k themselves for a living, it is their body. Pay taxes, dammit, the rest of us do.
Gimme ma money

Bedford, MA

#17 Sep 23, 2012
"Hey dirty, baby I got your money don't you worry --- hey dirty baby I got your money don't you worry --- if dirty wants his money you gotta givehim his money "

Gimme ma money - itz ma rite biatches
Roudy

Yuba City, CA

#18 Sep 24, 2012
i am not voting for Obama or Romney either one. I don`t like Obama and I think Romney has shown that is not tuned in to my way of thinking. He also runs off at the mouth before thinking. I will likely never vote for a democrat again but the republicans can kiss off until they nominate somebody that has enough sense to watch their mouth. I am sick of this backpeddling by politicians.

Romeny made a lot of money but he did not start out poor, that is a bunch of crap. He had money to start and the advantage of a good education provided by his parents.Lot of us had to work for ours and I don`t have an issue with that, just don`t like some rich punk putting down the the working stiffs who hit it day after day.

I don`t buy into that Joseph Smith myth either.Sounds like a cult to me.
footin mouth

Bedford, MA

#19 Sep 24, 2012
Well, there is the middle party that will never win, if that gives you any consolation. This is hardly and election. Nobody like either one of these guys. Obama's policies don't work and the other clown alienates people by talking without thinking.
You are correct, this jackass came from money, even though he says he made all of his own money. He was afforded the best education that money can buy at the best universities. Poor little rich Mitt, didn't grow up with a Golden Spoon in his mouth.
I have to agree, my education came from hard work and being poor. It was not handed to me by mom and dad.
I am totally turned off by this jackass as he does make the hard working class appear to be cry babies. Not cry babies, simply don't stick it to us everyday.
Vote for Gary Johnson, he's not perfect, but he isn't one of these two clowns.
Ex- El Paso Resident

Las Cruces, NM

#20 Sep 25, 2012
footin mouth wrote:
Well, there is the middle party that will never win, if that gives you any consolation. This is hardly and election. Nobody like either one of these guys. Obama's policies don't work and the other clown alienates people by talking without thinking.
You are correct, this jackass came from money, even though he says he made all of his own money. He was afforded the best education that money can buy at the best universities. Poor little rich Mitt, didn't grow up with a Golden Spoon in his mouth.
I have to agree, my education came from hard work and being poor. It was not handed to me by mom and dad.
I am totally turned off by this jackass as he does make the hard working class appear to be cry babies. Not cry babies, simply don't stick it to us everyday.
Vote for Gary Johnson, he's not perfect, but he isn't one of these two clowns.
If I had to find one word that described both the Democrapic and Republican't Presidential candidates the word A** BAGS comes to mind.

Johnson did a great job for the State of New Mexico. Didn't agree with him on everything (no one will ever agree with every candidate on evrything) but he had New Mexico's interest and future at heart. He actually read the legislation he was asked to sign and vetoed much of it because most of it was crap to make legislator's friends rich or spend money we did not have.

We even had a Senate Pro Tem that raised gas taxes 5%. When he was asked what it was for he said he would find something to "spend" it on. That jerk, Manny Aragon, is now a convicted Felon for his dealings at New Mexico Highlands University after he was finaly thrown out of office. Johnson took this guy on at every turn as he should have and stopped most of the BS he tried to pull.

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