2,068 rural Colo. drivers belted with...

2,068 rural Colo. drivers belted with tickets - Journal Advocate

There are 11 comments on the Journal-Advocate story from Mar 8, 2010, titled 2,068 rural Colo. drivers belted with tickets - Journal Advocate. In it, Journal-Advocate reports that:

A week-long Click It or Ticket enforcement in rural Colorado left 224 local drivers with tickets for failing to buckle up.

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Since: Feb 10

merino

#1 Mar 8, 2010
The high number of tickets in sterling shows lack of enforcement of other laws, plain and simple.
Hmm

Sterling, CO

#2 Mar 9, 2010
Roger0301 wrote:
The high number of tickets in sterling shows lack of enforcement of other laws, plain and simple.
Its obvious that you don't know what your talking about. Off-duty officers are paid to come in (by the state) for seat belt enforcement. That means "plain and simple" that other laws are being enforced and no "on duty" officer is being used for seat belt enforcement.

I applaud the efforts of our local law enforcement. I hope people will realize the importance of wearing a seat belt. Kyle Kasper from Merino is a tragic example of why one should wear it. There is an excellent facebook website devoted to Kyle and seat belt use, its called click it for Kyle.

***** Buckle up *****
juswondering

Arvada, CO

#3 Mar 9, 2010
What they conveniently leave out of the article is that seat belt offenses are SECONDARY OFFENSES. A cop can not pull you over for just a seat belt infraction, there has to be another infraction observed to effect the stop.

If Hmmm is correct, it would imply that "on duty" officers are not doing their jobs at enforcing seat belt violations. "No on duty officers are being used for seat belt enforcement". I believe what that he/she meant that on duty officers are not "on duty" to specifically enforce seat belt violations.

What happened to the young man from Merino was tragic and was not due simply to not wearing a seat belt, if I recall weather was a factor as well. There is always going to be a single situation to drive home a point and the bottom line is that as of this date, seat belts are not mandatory, one can choose to wear one or not. The enforcement comes when an officer observes a primary offense and then observes a seat belt violation or number of them.

Now having a child unrestrained can result in a seat belt violation as a primary offense.

Anyone who knows cop work knows they can ALWAYS come p with a "primary" reason to pull you over if they want (known as a "pretext stop"), they will FIND a reason so be careful because the state budget is down and we have to pay these folks to go up and down the roads protecting us from, ourselves of course. Isn't that what governments do best?

*****still a choice******
citizen1

Fort Morgan, CO

#4 Mar 9, 2010
Wearing a seatbelt is the LAW, not a CHOICE. An officer does not need a "primary" reason to pull someone over & then ticket that person for not wearing a belt. Not wearing the seatbelt IS the primary reason for being pulled over. So better buckle up...it's the law, not to mention it's for your own safety!
juswondering

Arvada, CO

#5 Mar 9, 2010
Please READ the law regarding seat belt use! It is not the law as you have stated. It is still a choice, and it is still not a primary offense. Not wearing a seat belt is not and can not be the "primary" reason for being pulled over.

It can be argued it is for my safety BUT it is still MY CHOICE!

Get your "facts" straight before informing others.
juswondering

Arvada, CO

#6 Mar 9, 2010
citizen1 wrote:
Wearing a seatbelt is the LAW, not a CHOICE. An officer does not need a "primary" reason to pull someone over & then ticket that person for not wearing a belt. Not wearing the seatbelt IS the primary reason for being pulled over. So better buckle up...it's the law, not to mention it's for your own safety!
I simply ask that you read the law pertaining to the "driver" versus passengers, to be more specific "children". A driver can be cited for a violation of a "child restraint violation" as a "primary offense" BUT unless a "driver" is pulled over for ANOTHER OFFENSE he/she can not be pulled over simply for a seat belt infraction. Whether you agree with this law or not or have your own personal reasons behind it, it is the LAW, not as you might like to see it but it is the law, IT IS MY CHOICE TO USE MY SEAT BELT OR NOT. If you are going to try and take a position regarding such a sensitive issue I ask that you simply research it before doing your "public service" announcement.
Hmm

Sterling, CO

#7 Mar 9, 2010
juswondering wrote:
Please READ the law regarding seat belt use! It is not the law as you have stated. It is still a choice, and it is still not a primary offense. Not wearing a seat belt is not and can not be the "primary" reason for being pulled over.
It can be argued it is for my safety BUT it is still MY CHOICE!
Get your "facts" straight before informing others.
You are partially correct. In Colorado, it is a requirement that all drivers wear a seat belt, however, you cannot be stopped and ticketed solely for violating the seat belt law.

You are correct when you said that weather was a factor is Kyle Kasper's accident, however, the weather did not cause his death. Mr. Kasper was ejected from his vehicle as a result of not wearing a seat belt.

If you don't want to wear your seat belt then don't your, still breaking the law. Hopefully, you don't get involved in a rollover accident.
juswondering

Arvada, CO

#8 Mar 9, 2010
Hmm wrote:
<quoted text>
You are partially correct. In Colorado, it is a requirement that all drivers wear a seat belt, however, you cannot be stopped and ticketed solely for violating the seat belt law.
You are correct when you said that weather was a factor is Kyle Kasper's accident, however, the weather did not cause his death. Mr. Kasper was ejected from his vehicle as a result of not wearing a seat belt.
If you don't want to wear your seat belt then don't your, still breaking the law. Hopefully, you don't get involved in a rollover accident.
I am not going to volley with you on semantics for the LAW is clear and unambiguous. It is not against the law to not wear your seat belt, one can not be pulled over for not wearing one, it is deemed a secondary offense not a primary offense. As I stated previously, the law is the law whether or not we agree with it. I challenge you or anyone else to show me where in the statutes it is illegal not to wear a seat belt and operate a motor vehicle. I am not "partially correct", read the motor vehicle laws and then tell me I am "partially correct".

Despite what you want to say, not wearing a seat belt is NOT breaking the law as you are so quick to point out. IF one were "breaking the law" it would be a "primary offense" not a secondary offense. I submit to you even as it is enforced as a "secondary offense" is not in compliance with the law or the enforcement of such.

I will say that there are arguments on both sides regarding the use or non-use of seat belts. Yes there have been many deaths and serious injuries as a result of not wearing seat belts and there have been people trapped and unable to escape imminent death by burning or drowning. I will choose to make a choice for myself while respecting the fact that you can make yours, based on whatever reasons you choose.

We should not have to be told everything to do and not to do by a government looking out for our "safety". While you are waiving your own rights I am not waving mine away by being a good sheep.

I don't know the circumstances surrounding the tragic loss of this young man; therefore, I am not in a position to offer a "cause of death" as it appears you are willing to do. I do know it is a tragic loss of a young life and IF his friends and associates know that not wearing a seat belt contributed to his death, this should be reason enough to wear one without having to be told one HAS to. The distinction here is "having" to versus "wanting" to.

Since: Feb 10

merino

#9 Mar 9, 2010
My point was this, if sterling police were pulling all drivers that are speeding, violating U-turn laws etc. more people would be wearing seat belts locally. I watched a Police officer in left hand turn lane behind a vehicle who made illegal U turn in front to him and ignored it. Go down main at posted speed and you are in the dust of the speeders. I called in four drunk juveniles at local convenience store at 5 AM one morning, and nothing in the paper about it, gave them plate number etc. I was on my way to funeral in Nebraska for 21 year old that died in traffic accident, rollover and no seat belt, thrown out. And Chief of Police stated in article about having full compliment of Officers in sterling about a year ago, that 70% of traffic stops are warnings. get rid of half the officers and instruct rest to write tickets, save us taxpayers some money. he's babysitting the violators, and number of accidents in area affects my bottom line on insurance. is it too much to ask for them to do the job they were hired for?
Somewhat Informed

Sterling, CO

#10 Mar 9, 2010
I personally don't understand all the backlash this article a year ago caused regarding most stops ending with warnings in Sterling... One has to ask several questions of themselves as a motorist to put this into context. First, am I a perfect driver, who follows all rules/laws at all times? Second, if I get caught "accidentally" violating the law, and no serious damage was done, do I want a ticket? Third, is there ever a difference between a "responsible driver" accidentally violating the law, and a "irresponsible driver" who willfully violates the law... I for one drive all the time, even for my employment, but I am NOT a perfect driver.
I applaud the men and women of the SPD for being able to tell the difference between a traffic infraction that deserves a ticket, a fine, and points against someone's license; and an "honest mistake" made by an otherwise good driver that merely needs a warning to correct. Also this statistic flies in the face of those who claim police are only out to fill the city coffers with money, otherwise every stop would end with a ticket.
Hmm

Sterling, CO

#11 Mar 10, 2010
Roger0301 wrote:
My point was this, if sterling police were pulling all drivers that are speeding, violating U-turn laws etc. more people would be wearing seat belts locally. I watched a Police officer in left hand turn lane behind a vehicle who made illegal U turn in front to him and ignored it. Go down main at posted speed and you are in the dust of the speeders. I called in four drunk juveniles at local convenience store at 5 AM one morning, and nothing in the paper about it, gave them plate number etc. I was on my way to funeral in Nebraska for 21 year old that died in traffic accident, rollover and no seat belt, thrown out. And Chief of Police stated in article about having full compliment of Officers in sterling about a year ago, that 70% of traffic stops are warnings. get rid of half the officers and instruct rest to write tickets, save us taxpayers some money. he's babysitting the violators, and number of accidents in area affects my bottom line on insurance. is it too much to ask for them to do the job they were hired for?
Did it occur to you that the police officer may have been responding to a call that was more important than a traffic violation? Does your insurance go up for a tail light, head light or brake like out? I bet 70% of those warnings are issued for equipment violations. I wouldn't want to get a ticket for a brake light out, would you?

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